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So maybe I am a moron, but I went to buy the "new" chaos codex based on the GW flow chart that made me think all the new Chaos stuff would be in it. It is NOT. The renegade traits, special detachments etc, are not in the "new" CSM Codex. Again, maybe I was wrong from my reading of the GW flow chart, but I wanted to put it out there so everyone is clear.

Removed all-caps title, we need to budget those! - BrookM

I don't think the new Vigilus is even out yet. Is it?

It is. I am looking at it right now

Because the "new" chaos codex was printed before Vigilus Ablaze was.

They said on Facebook it wouldn't include Specialist Detachments.

This ruleset needs unification so badly.

Didn't they say if you own the first codex you just buy Vigilus ablaze, because it has the new datasheets and the detachments?

 fraser1191 wrote:
Didn't they say if you own the first codex you just buy Vigilus ablaze, because it has the new datasheets and the detachments?

Yes they did. However they never said that the updated codex had all of the rules from Vigilus Ablaze.

Fun fact vigilus doesn't have any of the shadowspear entries in, nor is the cultists unit entry replaced unless you take renegades or black legion.

They made a right mess of what should be a really simple situation.

 Marmatag wrote:
This ruleset needs unification so badly.

To no one's surprise. Churn has been part of GW's business plan since the start.

If the rules weren't scattered in WD, Codexes, Suplaments, Limited Edition Trading Cards and scribbled on napkins at Bugman's you wouldn't need to buy all of those.

So Chaos is in chaos?

Seems fitting...

Well, thanks for the heads up. I was planning on just getting the Vigilus book, so it sounds like that's still the plan.

Dudeface wrote:
Fun fact vigilus doesn't have any of the shadowspear entries in,...

You mean these Daemonkin Datasheets that you can download from Warhammer Community for free?

Even I thought it would, although thy never said it was th3y made it seem like it did. If you didn't follow GW posts like half the peeps here do I'm sure you'd think it had all the updated stuff... this begs the question, why would you want the new chaos codex unless you're a new player? In addition, if you want everything chaos had to offer you're looking at a £70+ price tage just for rules.

 Ghaz wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Didn't they say if you own the first codex you just buy Vigilus ablaze, because it has the new datasheets and the detachments?

Yes they did. However they never said that the updated codex had all of the rules from Vigilus Ablaze.

Spoiler:

That chart heavily implies it though, at least to me. It's presented as a this OR this choice, and it says the codex contains "all the datasheets" you need. That to me implies I don't need the Vigilus book to get the chaos stuff in it. It's very deceptive and misleading.

No. It makes no implication that the new codex would have the specialist detachments. The new codex has "... all the datasheets you need to play..." and the specialist detachments, artefacts, etc. are not datasheets.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
This ruleset needs unification so badly.

To no one's surprise. Churn has been part of GW's business plan since the start.

If the rules weren't scattered in WD, Codexes, Suplaments, Limited Edition Trading Cards and scribbled on napkins at Bugman's you wouldn't need to buy all of those.

Well now I guess I gotta buy some napkins.

 lolman1c wrote:
Even I thought it would, although thy never said it was th3y made it seem like it did. If you didn't follow GW posts like half the peeps here do I'm sure you'd think it had all the updated stuff... this begs the question, why would you want the new chaos codex unless you're a new player? In addition, if you want everything chaos had to offer you're looking at a £70+ price tage just for rules.

I mean, that's no different than the position many factions were in after Vigilus1, really. None of these factions have a codex which now featureds the specialist detachment material, and I'd be very surprised if any do get it added if they get a V2 release down the line.

 Ghaz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Fun fact vigilus doesn't have any of the shadowspear entries in,...

You mean these Daemonkin Datasheets that you can download from Warhammer Community for free?

Those same ones that don't have points costs, warlord traits or relics from the daemonkin pamphlet. They could have been included with no effort and importantly they are in codex v2.

 Horst wrote:


That chart heavily implies it though, at least to me. It's presented as a this OR this choice, and it says the codex contains "all the datasheets" you need. That to me implies I don't need the Vigilus book to get the chaos stuff in it. It's very deceptive and misleading.

The chart implies nothing. They literally tell you ... if you have the old Codex, DON'T buy Codex 2.0. Just get Vigilus and a few downloads and you have a complete ruleset. That's the entire point of the graphic and it does communicate it as such.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Horst wrote:


That chart heavily implies it though, at least to me. It's presented as a this OR this choice, and it says the codex contains "all the datasheets" you need. That to me implies I don't need the Vigilus book to get the chaos stuff in it. It's very deceptive and misleading.

The chart implies nothing. They literally tell you ... if you have the old Codex, DON'T buy Codex 2.0. Just get Vigilus and a few downloads and you have a complete ruleset. That's the entire point of the graphic and it does communicate it as such.

Though if the PDF is missing points, is it truly complete?

It says “all the datasheets you need to play”.

Not “all the extra rules from this other book we want to sell you too”.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It says “all the datasheets you need to play”.

Not “all the extra rules from this other book we want to sell you too”.

Honestly a bit disappointed about that, had hoped the revised codexes would also include the formations and such just because... well I'm hauling vigilus around for two fething pages. That's not a small book to haul around for two pages.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It says “all the datasheets you need to play”.

Not “all the extra rules from this other book we want to sell you too”.

The fact many of us thought that though implies bad advertising on GWs part and was probably what they wanted anyway. I geuss we were fools for even thinking GW was offering real options for once or doing something in favour of the customers.

Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It says “all the datasheets you need to play”.

Not “all the extra rules from this other book we want to sell you too”.

Honestly a bit disappointed about that, had hoped the revised codexes would also include the formations and such just because... well I'm hauling vigilus around for two fething pages. That's not a small book to haul around for two pages.

If you own the models you have the points from the box.


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DecadentOne wrote:
Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

I can confirm that they do not get any trait.

DecadentOne wrote:
Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

I'd imagine it'll be faqd in a couple of weeks, but for now enjoy legion cultists as long as you're not black legion or renegades since that's what your valid literature states is the case.

I think the most important thing to note is that the chaos codex doesn't have any renegade chapters.


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Dudeface wrote:

DecadentOne wrote:
Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

I'd imagine it'll be faqd in a couple of weeks, but for now enjoy legion cultists as long as you're not black legion or renegades since that's what your valid literature states is the case.

There is no loop hole. Cultists do not get traits in any book.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I think the most important thing to note is that the chaos codex doesn't have any renegade chapters.


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Dudeface wrote:

DecadentOne wrote:
Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

I'd imagine it'll be faqd in a couple of weeks, but for now enjoy legion cultists as long as you're not black legion or renegades since that's what your valid literature states is the case.

There is no loop hole. Cultists do not get traits in any book.

Nope, my vigilus book has no amended profile for cultists, the mere mortals rule is listed under renegade chapters and black legion. Ergo if I take world eaters the cultists retain their traits.

Dudeface wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I think the most important thing to note is that the chaos codex doesn't have any renegade chapters.


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Dudeface wrote:

DecadentOne wrote:
Does the updated codex entry for cultists prohibit all Legion traits? I only own the original codex and Vigilus Ablaze, which only seems to affect Black Legion and Renegades. As far as I can see, my Word Bearer cultists still get Profane Zeal.

I'd imagine it'll be faqd in a couple of weeks, but for now enjoy legion cultists as long as you're not black legion or renegades since that's what your valid literature states is the case.

There is no loop hole. Cultists do not get traits in any book.

Nope, my vigilus book has no amended profile for cultists, the mere mortals rule is listed under renegade chapters and black legion. Ergo if I take world eaters the cultists retain their traits.

Have fun with that briefly until it's 'fixed' in the upcoming FAQ