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I'd predict early 2020, the pattern for the past chaos codex releases have been, a daemon or marine codex in Autumn with the remaining coming out early the next year. So would make sense for Slaanesh this autumn and EC early next year.

Nothing has come off the Khorne release for AoS either, so I do not see why EC would get a codex release anytime soon. It will probably come at the same time as a Fulgrim release, but only Slaanesh him/her/itself knows when that's going to happen, if it's going to happen at all.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

I don't think anyone thinks they have to. I just think it's incredibly likely given:

I disagree. I think there is very much an expectation and this expectation has been there since the release of the DG codex.

I think you're mistaking expectation of a likely outcome, with people demanding that GW have to provide the codex. I literally haven't seen that once.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this is all reaching, personally. GW employees have no idea what's going on and if they miraculously do they certainly don't share it.

I've only been told not to buy something once by a GW employee. A month or so later, they started the rumor engine reveals, which led up to Abaddon. I think common sense is telling you that GW employees get no inside info or it would have leaked, and I would agree, if my personal experiences and those of so many others didn't directly contest with it. But whatever, that's a single dot point.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Regimental standards are fluff pieces.

Yes, they are, and the fluff pieces that hinted at the Abaddon reveal were also fluff pieces. This fluff piece arrived with the Abaddon model, was to talk about Abaddon, and for some reason spent the last 3rd of the article talking about EC.

Don't get confused into thinking anyone is saying that this is "hard evidence confirmed proof of an upcoming release". It's just more weight to the suggestion of the likelihood of one. If they were hinting at EC, this is totally the kind of thing they would do.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Contrary to your colour scheme suggestion I remember GW doing an article on how to convert the new models into Noise Marines or Zerkers.

Okay, but this doesn't change that they released a color scheme panel recently with literally every codex Legion color scheme present, with the exception of EC and WE. And not because there wasn't room, those two spots were replaced with the Purge and Flawless Host for the 9 legions on display. The article the other day showcasing a converted squad from GW's modelling team, displaying literally every Legion including Death Guard who DO have their own codex AS WELL AS some renegade bands, as a way to try and sell the new kits, doesn't invalidate this one as a suggestive point.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

- Noise Marine sculpt being released last year, as well as being the most popular model of the entire year

What's your source on that?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/10/10th-jan-model-of-the-year-2018-the-top-3gw-homepage-post-3/

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Fulgrim has been spotted before.

We're probably referring to the same time. The point is that they've placed him back in the lore, and they obviously want to sell primarch kits, and he's one of the ones currently somewhat active, sooo.... it's another point.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new rumour engine could be a whole host of models, including AOS stuff.

It could be. But take a look at Fabius's design, bottom right. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-FI/Chaos-Space-Marines-Fabius-Bile if you can find me a single model that is more closer to the rumor engine, I'll be extremely surprised, let alone one as in desperate need of an update as Fabius.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Nothing's a given, GW doesn't have to do it, and it may never come.... but with GW saying they are going to iron out the rules of sub-factions and expand the universe further in that manner once they finish the main dexes (and with SoB inbound I believe we are there, unless you include the discontinued RnH line), I think if I had to bet on the next 40k releases, EC and WE are a strong guess. At the very least, there is probably new models inbound for existing units, and whether or not a dex comes with this is to be seen (I suspect it will), but it's still probably worth waiting for if you want to build the best looking, lore-accurate EC army.

I agree on the last bit but I'm just trying to help people manage their expectations here. EC probably won't get a release this year. I don't know this, its pure guesswork, but I would put money on it because GW generally focus on one subfaction within a faction then move on to other things. I could see EC getting something early next year or even at the end of this one. It will be either EC or WE too, I don't think there's any chance they release both at the same time and the other will have to wait another chaos release cycle before they get their dex.

SoB at the very least is splitting them up.

At the very least, there's much more supporting the likelihood of an EC release, than there is for some of the other random gak people talk about getting dexes. Kroot mercs? Primorks? Imperial Fist solo dex? I mean, what else are people even expecting here? EC and WE seem pretty likely in the overall scheme of things.

Babar_babar wrote:I do have the same "problems" I woudl love to start an EC army, does anyone know about female minis to proxy some cultists?

You might like to check out Manufaktura Miniatures 'Sub Series'. They have a thread in News and Rumours. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/707514.page

I've used Escher heads with Cadian bodies/helmets with some success. Victoria Miniatures sells conversion parts to make female Cadians, too.

Then there's Anvil's Cultist range.



http://anvilindustry.co.uk/regiments-robed-cultists/female-robed-cultist-squad

 SHUPPET wrote:
At the very least, there's much more supporting the likelihood of an EC release, than there is for some of the other random gak people talk about getting dexes. Kroot mercs? Primorks? Imperial Fist solo dex? I mean, what else are people even expecting here? EC and WE seem pretty likely in the overall scheme of things.

While I don't disagree, and I did take a break from the game for a while, I feel like this sentiment has been going on since I started playing around 2008. I even started an EC army and even though I sold some of it, I still have my Rhinos with EC doors and metal Noise Marine bits. It's kind of the same way everyone said that SoB must be around the corner and it never was, well, until it suddenly was. There's no real necessity or contingency we can discern, I don't think. GW's process is too inscrutable for us to really know, in a meaningful way, what they are planning or why.

Good list Shuppet. I'd like to add to it: The new CSM box comes with a pretty tasty transfer sheet, which includes transfers for every main legion except World Eaters and Emperor's Children.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
CSM have just had a major release.

I think its very unlikely EC or WE get a release this year.

I find these conversations bizarre sometimes. Why do you EC/WE players think their faction HAS to have it's own codex with specific units?

Should I just expect a 'Kult of Speed' or Evil Sunz codex for my Orks with similar specific units? Should Eldar players expect a craftworld specific codex? Other factions too?

SM has a ton of bloat codexes from doing this very thing and I thought people hated it?

They both expect it because of how Death Guard and Thousand Sons were handled. Personally I like the layout of both the codices bar the inconsistencies that are in there.

Would I rather they had stayed in the main CSM codex? Absolutely. At least they have tons of unique units unlike Dark and Blood Angels.

 grouchoben wrote:
Good list Shuppet. I'd like to add to it: The new CSM box comes with a pretty tasty transfer sheet, which includes transfers for every main legion except World Eaters and Emperor's Children.

When I first saw the transfer sheet I thought it was a hint that EC and WE were coming. Then I saw Thousand Sons transfers... Why the hell would they include TS transfers for a unit that TS cannot use ? I think GW just messed up really. They forgot about WE and EC.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

Babar_babar wrote:I do have the same "problems" I woudl love to start an EC army, does anyone know about female minis to proxy some cultists?

You might like to check out Manufaktura Miniatures 'Sub Series'. They have a thread in News and Rumours. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/707514.page

I've used Escher heads with Cadian bodies/helmets with some success. Victoria Miniatures sells conversion parts to make female Cadians, too.

Then there's Anvil's Cultist range.



http://anvilindustry.co.uk/regiments-robed-cultists/female-robed-cultist-squad

Honestly how can you tell they're even female?

Due to an unfortunate and accidental incident in my youth, I have a very strict ID policy.

Oh, you mean the Cultists. I mean, it seems obvious to me even in isolation. Compared to the male Cultists, it's even more obvious. To me, anyway.

 Nym wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Good list Shuppet. I'd like to add to it: The new CSM box comes with a pretty tasty transfer sheet, which includes transfers for every main legion except World Eaters and Emperor's Children.

When I first saw the transfer sheet I thought it was a hint that EC and WE were coming. Then I saw Thousand Sons transfers... Why the hell would they include TS transfers for a unit that TS cannot use ? I think GW just messed up really. They forgot about WE and EC.

Unlike Death Guard, TSons can use the transfers on their rubrics, in fact the ones displayed on store do exactly this, except they don't have a transfer sheet... so the fact that they got on the CSM transfer sheet before actual CSM dex legions like EC and WE is even more compelling that these dexes are coming.

Is there a special character you are after or something? You can do emperors children now. Just pick a chapter tactic you like and BOOM you are Emperors children.

Fulgrim is probably going to be coming out eventually. But his box with come with his rules. If emperors children get their own codex (they really shouldn't) the only real difference will be a chapter tactic. What is most likely is emperors children get the Crimson fists treatment. They will get a data sheet with some stratagems in a box set in the future. Just be happy you are getting that.

Ayuh.

Most likely, if you ignore all the evidence that says otherwise.

Rumors don't really qualify as evidence. It is possible they are going to get a codex. TS did get a codex. Real question is why would you want one?

It's exceptionally likely they will get a codex...but I wouldn't plan on it in any type of reasonable timeframe. It seems very likely GW is going for Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne/Slaanesh/Black Legion....as their five Chaos options. However that could be 18-36 months away, etc. Heck it may be longer. Until you see genuine consistent teasers, rumour-mill stuff popping up and it becomes obvious....it's not happening.

I agree. Rumours are not evidence. Rumours are also not the totality of what the expectation of EC/WE books is based on.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

Naked assertions will always be naked assertions.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger for a bunch of the new Chaos space marine stuff to make up some EC. I have the codex and shadowspear stuff so far however, I'm a bit hesitant in the hopes that Emperors Children will soon see a thousand sons/death guard type of codex in the near future. Especially with all the recent Slaneesh updates.

Maybe its just me but it seems like there is a lack of EC information in the new CSM codex, besides a few pages of lore they have very little in references to anything much, even paint schemes in the book.

Anyway would I be a fool to continue to wait in hope of a dedicated codex before the year is up?

There is no EC codex coming, the only reason people think that is because they know Slaanesh is expected to come out round about now. I'm kit bashing/converting CSM into bezerkers, why not, Its not like I'll get rid when the WE's codex comes out. That's the brilliant thing about Chaos, 'oh one of my berzerkers has an eye of horus symbol on him' well he obviously replaced his broken armour with that out a BL marine.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
So there's this new skin cloak teaser thing on Warhammer Community.
Possibly Fabius Bile?
These teasers are normally a few months ahead so maybe something from June onwards?

While one possibility, Dark Eldar could also be wearing fashionable human skin cloaks to their next parties.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
Is there a special character you are after or something? You can do emperors children now. Just pick a chapter tactic you like and BOOM you are Emperors children.

Fulgrim is probably going to be coming out eventually. But his box with come with his rules. If emperors children get their own codex (they really shouldn't) the only real difference will be a chapter tactic. What is most likely is emperors children get the Crimson fists treatment. They will get a data sheet with some stratagems in a box set in the future. Just be happy you are getting that.

Why shouldn't they?

I think you can start on the generic choices. Havocs will be in the EC codex (if and when it drops). CSM squads as well. Hellbrutes and Rhinos as well. Purple Pimp Wagons (Land Raiders) are quite the safe bet as well. So you can start your ECs under the regular CSM dex and should you get an EC codex later on - so much the better.

To the OP: if you want to do actual Emperors Children: wait. They will get their own codex and model line sooner or later, and going by the precedents set by TS and DG you will have some trouble using the current line of models under a new codex. Especially the "line infantry" will most likely get a kit of its own, with the standard CSM not usable for EC.

What you can do with 100% safety is doing a Slaanesh-aligned Renegades force. Not sure if that is your thing, but it fits thematically, and with "Vigilus Ablaze" you get some background and actual rules for them. They can easily ally with codex-EC later on.

Another option is to do a codex-CSM force themed, converted and painted as EC now - and play them as the Renegades mentioned above later on when EC have a seperate codex of their own. You would have a visually coherent force, and would just need different detachments to play them as one army. Be prepared to not being able to port 100% of this army over to the new codex though...

 Kosake wrote:
I think you can start on the generic choices. Havocs will be in the EC codex (if and when it drops). CSM squads as well. Hellbrutes and Rhinos as well. Purple Pimp Wagons (Land Raiders) are quite the safe bet as well. So you can start your ECs under the regular CSM dex and should you get an EC codex later on - so much the better.

Eh. The vehicles are sort of safe, but I would not bet a single penny on the infantry. Neither Havocs nor regular CSM are in the TS or DG codex. I am sure that EC will get their own "heavy weapons guys" - they are part of the background already. If they can be built from the same set as "regular" EC, which would also replace the CSM in their army list... no idea.

If anything, CSM might still be usable in one way or another, with some of the weapon options becoming unavailable most likely.

Death Guard and Thousand sons created a precedent for the fanbase to hold on to.

I've heard it suggested (honest wargamer) podcast that GW have their release chedule planned out for the next 4 years in advance.

Personally I believe that both will get a codex but neither will in 8th edition. They don't need to push more chaos stuff out with vigilus re-stocking CSM. I think it will be wave after wave of Imperial (Primaris) stuff combined with xenos releases.

Slayer-Fan123 773667 10405108 wrote:
Honestly how can you tell they're even female?

Finger lenght to face lenght. Females have longer fingers. Other option would be males with testosteron deficiency.

I've decided to hold out for an actual codex. I have been wanting to start a DG army so maybe I'll occupy myself with that in the meantime.

I don't see many reasons why EC and WE wouldn't get their own codex's. It seems par for the course with traitor legions that have their own "flavor" of troop choice. Rubric marines, plague marines, noise marines and beserkers all unique to their respective legions.

Also with the heavy implications from Gathering Storm and the new lore, and even from a guardsman primer a few months back they mention Fulgrim multiple times.

And besides all the rumors, you really think GW is going to turn down the opportunity to sell more centerpiece primarch models when its one of their best sellers?

I hope they don't do Emperors Childern or the Khorn legion. All 4 mono god trator legions should be 3 or 4 pages each inside the chaos marine book. A troop choice a unique HQ and 1 or 2 other unique units. Thats its. Thats all thats needed if ypu want to play them.

Unique 'dexs are a customer punishing marketing strategy. It sucks having armies locked behind gates. You shouldn't need to "unlock" armies.

Headlss wrote:
I hope they don't do Emperors Childern or the Khorn legion. All 4 mono god trator legions should be 3 or 4 pages each inside the chaos marine book. A troop choice a unique HQ and 1 or 2 other unique units. Thats its. Thats all thats needed if ypu want to play them.

Unique 'dexs are a customer punishing marketing strategy. It sucks having armies locked behind gates. You shouldn't need to "unlock" armies.

Umm, no thanks? I'd like the Emperor's children to get the Thousand Sons and Death Guard treatment. Both of the codexes (codicies?) have a lot of fun units and rules and are solid books. Lots of unique units in both. The emperor's children have the potential for so many ....wonderous...and magnificent units!

Bring em on GW! I want them!

Heafstaag wrote:

Headlss wrote:
I hope they don't do Emperors Childern or the Khorn legion. All 4 mono god trator legions should be 3 or 4 pages each inside the chaos marine book. A troop choice a unique HQ and 1 or 2 other unique units. Thats its. Thats all thats needed if ypu want to play them.

Unique 'dexs are a customer punishing marketing strategy. It sucks having armies locked behind gates. You shouldn't need to "unlock" armies.

Umm, no thanks? I'd like the Emperor's children to get the Thousand Sons and Death Guard treatment. Both of the codexes (codicies?) have a lot of fun units and rules and are solid books. Lots of unique units in both. The emperor's children have the potential for so many ....wonderous...and magnificent units!

Bring em on GW! I want them!

Theres a terrible amount of inconsistencies within the Death Guard codex, but in terms of layout I'm a fan of both them and Thousand Sons. Granted I'm not talking about internal balance and how I would handle certain units (especially Rubric Marines).

I'd much prefer my own EC dex in my hands than 4 pages in CSM dex, and I'd happily pay the cost of a codex, and honestly more just to have this. Call me crazy but if this is "punishing me as a customer" well I damn well like the punishment.

Headlss wrote:
I hope they don't do Emperors Childern or the Khorn legion. All 4 mono god trator legions should be 3 or 4 pages each inside the chaos marine book. A troop choice a unique HQ and 1 or 2 other unique units. Thats its. Thats all thats needed if ypu want to play them.

Unique 'dexs are a customer punishing marketing strategy. It sucks having armies locked behind gates. You shouldn't need to "unlock" armies.

Tell you what, we'll consolidate all of the Space Marine Codexes back into one book, and then we'll put all the Chaos Marines back into one book. Sound fair?

More people are happier about having separate codexes than aren't.

drbored wrote:

Headlss wrote:
I hope they don't do Emperors Childern or the Khorn legion. All 4 mono god trator legions should be 3 or 4 pages each inside the chaos marine book. A troop choice a unique HQ and 1 or 2 other unique units. Thats its. Thats all thats needed if ypu want to play them.

Unique 'dexs are a customer punishing marketing strategy. It sucks having armies locked behind gates. You shouldn't need to "unlock" armies.

Tell you what, we'll consolidate all of the Space Marine Codexes back into one book, and then we'll put all the Chaos Marines back into one book. Sound fair?

More people are happier about having separate codexes than aren't.

That sounds great as well.

I'm gonna wait till Christmas to buy my chaos stuff, just to make sure that no world eaters or emps children are coming out.