Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.

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**Lance845**

Mr Morden wrote:
If Bran does not know the future how does he know its the right time for Sam to tell Jon he is a Targayrian.

Because he knows jons alone in the crypt, sams free, and they may never have another chance to tell him with how close the dead are.

**Grey Templar**

Jon should have clarified his revelation with "I don't want the Iron Throne, its all yours. If you want, this will remain a secret forever"

**Lance845**

Grey Templar wrote:
Jon should have clarified his revelation with "I don't want the Iron Throne, its all yours. If you want, this will remain a secret forever"

Or... "I love you. Marry me. Lets take that throne together."

**Mr Morden**

Grey Templar wrote:
Jon should have clarified his revelation with "I don't want the Iron Throne, its all yours. If you want, this will remain a secret forever"

Yep that would have been the best thing but he has never been that bright (esp with women)

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

To be fair, he didn’t really get a chance to say that.

**MDSW**

Does King's Landing have any of the big ballistas to battle dragons? I certainly would have thought with all this time of Dany coming to KL that Cersei would have commissioned a bunch... Anyway, logic and strategy to the wind sometimes...

**ikeulhu**

Considering it is briefly shown in the opening sequence, I would say that yes at least one anti-dragon ballista at King's Landing is indeed a thing.

**Grey Templar**

ikeulhu wrote:
Considering it is briefly shown in the opening sequence, I would say that yes at least one anti-dragon ballista at King's Landing is indeed a thing.

Aye, but I have a feeling that undead Dragon will care about it even less than Drogon did.

**ikeulhu**

That is likely, but a good shot to the head or neck could potentially mess up its iceflame game a bit at least.

**Grey Templar**

Sure. But the dragon seems to have become faster since it was resurrected. It was unnaturally fast when they destroyed the wall. It’ll probably easily avoid the ballista.

**ikeulhu**

Yup, it will be more of a problem than a non wight dragon, and will have whatever ballista avoidance capabilities are required for the showrunner's desired narrative

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**Gordon Shumway**

Aren't the only people in winterfell who know about it Donddarrian and Tormund? And they just arrived.

**Lance845**

Bran said"He has your dragon. It's one of them now."

**Gordon Shumway**

Oh, that's right

**Totalwar1402**

Do you think Jorah is going to die next episode?

I’d like to think no and I would have thought he would have had a parting scene with Daenerys (ala Barristan). They did talk in episode 2 but really that was more about what’s happening with Tyrion. If that was their last moment together I’d be pretty disappointed.

As an aside, I am really wracking my brain on who will be the one to kill the Night King. Jon, Jamie, Arya, Theon. Technically Jorah could but that would only happen if the Night King killed Dany and Iam not convinced that would happen.

**Grimskul**

Totalwar1402 wrote:
Do you think Jorah is going to die next episode?

I’d like to think no and I would have thought he would have had a parting scene with Daenerys (ala Barristan). They did talk in episode 2 but really that was more about what’s happening with Tyrion. If that was their last moment together I’d be pretty disappointed.

As an aside, I am really wracking my brain on who will be the one to kill the Night King. Jon, Jamie, Arya, Theon. Technically Jorah could but that would only happen if the Night King killed Dany and Iam not convinced that would happen.

I'm pretty sure Jorah's going to die this week's episode, he already had his moment with Dany and Lyanna Mormont, and AFAIK his character arc is essentially done so he's ripe pickings for a wight mauling or WW stabbing. Similar to Avengers: Endgame, it's just a matter of who really has a role to play after the dust has settled.

**Totalwar1402**

Grimskul wrote:
Totalwar1402 wrote:
Do you think Jorah is going to die next episode?

I’d like to think no and I would have thought he would have had a parting scene with Daenerys (ala Barristan). They did talk in episode 2 but really that was more about what’s happening with Tyrion. If that was their last moment together I’d be pretty disappointed.

As an aside, I am really wracking my brain on who will be the one to kill the Night King. Jon, Jamie, Arya, Theon. Technically Jorah could but that would only happen if the Night King killed Dany and Iam not convinced that would happen.

I'm pretty sure Jorah's going to die this week's episode, he already had his moment with Dany and Lyanna Mormont, and AFAIK his character arc is essentially done so he's ripe pickings for a wight mauling or WW stabbing. Similar to Avengers: Endgame, it's just a matter of who really has a role to play after the dust has settled.

I’d be really disappointed if that was Dany and Jorahs last scene together. They’ve been on this adventure since season 1 I would have thought they would have put more emotion into it.

Personally I don’t think Jorahs arc was about redeeming himself for selling three slaves and earning the “forgiveness” of the North. Helping Dany liberate a continent more than made up for that. Jorah is really a supporting character for Daenerys and the whole unrequited love story is his arc. IMO the two characters fate is intrinsically linked as they have both been travelling the same adventure side by side.

To list a few things he could do:

- If Dany dies in childbirth he would watch over the child ala Ned Stark. “Promise me Jorah” This would bring the story full circle. This does tick all the boxes for bittersweet ending.

- He could be the 1000th Lord Commander. Taking up his fathers mantle.

- Dany could placate the Northern lords (fronted by Leanna) by marrying Jorah and claiming her child is actually his and not a the incest bastard of her nephew.

I don’t know. I doubt I would be sold if he just drops down dead fighting zombies as another casualty. It would be kind of lame to have kept him on and had Sam give him the Sword; just for another death.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, especially after last season I’ve really gotten tired of the constant confrontational attitude every character has towards Daenerys. She’s literally trying to save the world and has lost one of her dragons. Sam is monstrously out of line to suggest that Jon should overthrow her and deny her the throne which she’s earned over the course of the seasons. Why is Sansa being petty instead of winning Damy over to use her army to beat the dead and Cersei. Rather than be a player she is just being a nationalist, going out of her way to alienate an ally and risking her leaving for Essos in abdication.

I don’t get why nobody in Westeros is intimidated by the Dragons and thinks that picking a fight with Danny is a bad idea. All the lords of Westeros apparently think that siding with Cersei or plotting another Northern secession is a grand idea. I still do not understand why people are taking Cersei seriously as Queen and why this isn’t the restoration 1660; with dragons.

**Mr Morden**

Totalwar1402 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Totalwar1402 wrote:
Do you think Jorah is going to die next episode?

I’d like to think no and I would have thought he would have had a parting scene with Daenerys (ala Barristan). They did talk in episode 2 but really that was more about what’s happening with Tyrion. If that was their last moment together I’d be pretty disappointed.

As an aside, I am really wracking my brain on who will be the one to kill the Night King. Jon, Jamie, Arya, Theon. Technically Jorah could but that would only happen if the Night King killed Dany and Iam not convinced that would happen.

I'm pretty sure Jorah's going to die this week's episode, he already had his moment with Dany and Lyanna Mormont, and AFAIK his character arc is essentially done so he's ripe pickings for a wight mauling or WW stabbing. Similar to Avengers: Endgame, it's just a matter of who really has a role to play after the dust has settled.

I’d be really disappointed if that was Dany and Jorahs last scene together. They’ve been on this adventure since season 1 I would have thought they would have put more emotion into it.

Personally I don’t think Jorahs arc was about redeeming himself for selling three slaves and earning the “forgiveness” of the North. Helping Dany liberate a continent more than made up for that. Jorah is really a supporting character for Daenerys and the whole unrequited love story is his arc. IMO the two characters fate is intrinsically linked as they have both been travelling the same adventure side by side.

To list a few things he could do:

- If Dany dies in childbirth he would watch over the child ala Ned Stark. “Promise me Jorah” This would bring the story full circle. This does tick all the boxes for bittersweet ending.

- He could be the 1000th Lord Commander. Taking up his fathers mantle.

- Dany could placate the Northern lords (fronted by Leanna) by marrying Jorah and claiming her child is actually his and not a the incest bastard of her nephew.

I don’t know. I doubt I would be sold if he just drops down dead fighting zombies as another casualty. It would be kind of lame to have kept him on and had Sam give him the Sword; just for another death.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, especially after last season I’ve really gotten tired of the constant confrontational attitude every character has towards Daenerys. She’s literally trying to save the world and has lost one of her dragons. Sam is monstrously out of line to suggest that Jon should overthrow her and deny her the throne which she’s earned over the course of the seasons. Why is Sansa being petty instead of winning Damy over to use her army to beat the dead and Cersei. Rather than be a player she is just being a nationalist, going out of her way to alienate an ally and risking her leaving for Essos in abdication.

I don’t get why nobody in Westeros is intimidated by the Dragons and thinks that picking a fight with Danny is a bad idea. All the lords of Westeros apparently think that siding with Cersei or plotting another Northern secession is a grand idea. I still do not understand why people are taking Cersei seriously as Queen and why this isn’t the restoration 1660; with dragons.

It does make zero sense, especialyl since Dany could have come over and unleashed the Dothraki and Dragons on Westros then restored order with the Unsullied. Would have been a quick easy campaign - exactly the same as her ancestors. But because she did not (and was advised against that) there is more room for petty jealousy and minor issues. However thats humanity for you - happens in history quite a bit.

She is also a Queen and thats always going to be a harder sell to the people.

Be quite amused if Jon did carry out Sam and Brans plan to destroy the alliance and she went - ok no problem nephew - I'll be off and rule Essos - send me a postcard wehn you have defeated the dead and Cersei.

Its aslo funny that people are so obsessed with Jons "right" of succession when that (like Dany's) comes from an previous invader - apparently thats all fine. Surely the "rightful" king (or queen) shoud be a descendant from before the Targaryrian invasion?

re killing the Night King - Sigh - its going to be bloody Sam isn't it. ITs GRM on screen and apparently everyone loves him. I can see it ending with Sam on the throne as well - just because even now the vomit rising in my throat. I hope they prove me wrong and he dies.

Jorah I really like but thats no help.

**Lance845**

Mr Morden wrote:
Totalwar1402 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Totalwar1402 wrote:
Do you think Jorah is going to die next episode?

I’d like to think no and I would have thought he would have had a parting scene with Daenerys (ala Barristan). They did talk in episode 2 but really that was more about what’s happening with Tyrion. If that was their last moment together I’d be pretty disappointed.

As an aside, I am really wracking my brain on who will be the one to kill the Night King. Jon, Jamie, Arya, Theon. Technically Jorah could but that would only happen if the Night King killed Dany and Iam not convinced that would happen.

I'm pretty sure Jorah's going to die this week's episode, he already had his moment with Dany and Lyanna Mormont, and AFAIK his character arc is essentially done so he's ripe pickings for a wight mauling or WW stabbing. Similar to Avengers: Endgame, it's just a matter of who really has a role to play after the dust has settled.

I’d be really disappointed if that was Dany and Jorahs last scene together. They’ve been on this adventure since season 1 I would have thought they would have put more emotion into it.

Personally I don’t think Jorahs arc was about redeeming himself for selling three slaves and earning the “forgiveness” of the North. Helping Dany liberate a continent more than made up for that. Jorah is really a supporting character for Daenerys and the whole unrequited love story is his arc. IMO the two characters fate is intrinsically linked as they have both been travelling the same adventure side by side.

To list a few things he could do:

- If Dany dies in childbirth he would watch over the child ala Ned Stark. “Promise me Jorah” This would bring the story full circle. This does tick all the boxes for bittersweet ending.

- He could be the 1000th Lord Commander. Taking up his fathers mantle.

- Dany could placate the Northern lords (fronted by Leanna) by marrying Jorah and claiming her child is actually his and not a the incest bastard of her nephew.

I don’t know. I doubt I would be sold if he just drops down dead fighting zombies as another casualty. It would be kind of lame to have kept him on and had Sam give him the Sword; just for another death.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, especially after last season I’ve really gotten tired of the constant confrontational attitude every character has towards Daenerys. She’s literally trying to save the world and has lost one of her dragons. Sam is monstrously out of line to suggest that Jon should overthrow her and deny her the throne which she’s earned over the course of the seasons. Why is Sansa being petty instead of winning Damy over to use her army to beat the dead and Cersei. Rather than be a player she is just being a nationalist, going out of her way to alienate an ally and risking her leaving for Essos in abdication.

I don’t get why nobody in Westeros is intimidated by the Dragons and thinks that picking a fight with Danny is a bad idea. All the lords of Westeros apparently think that siding with Cersei or plotting another Northern secession is a grand idea. I still do not understand why people are taking Cersei seriously as Queen and why this isn’t the restoration 1660; with dragons.

It does make zero sense, especialyl since Dany could have come over and unleashed the Dothraki and Dragons on Westros then restored order with the Unsullied. Would have been a quick easy campaign - exactly the same as her ancestors. But because she did not (and was advised against that) there is more room for petty jealousy and minor issues. However thats humanity for you - happens in history quite a bit.

She is also a Queen and thats always going to be a harder sell to the people.

Be quite amused if Jon did carry out Sam and Brans plan to destroy the alliance and she went - ok no problem nephew - I'll be off and rule Essos - send me a postcard wehn you have defeated the dead and Cersei.

Its aslo funny that people are so obsessed with Jons "right" of succession when that (like Dany's) comes from an previous invader - apparently thats all fine. Surely the "rightful" king (or queen) shoud be a descendant from before the Targaryrian invasion?

re killing the Night King - Sigh - its going to be bloody Sam isn't it. ITs GRM on screen and apparently everyone loves him. I can see it ending with Sam on the throne as well - just because even now the vomit rising in my throat. I hope they prove me wrong and he dies.

Jorah I really like but thats no help.

It's a previous invader who conquered the 7 separate kingdoms, united them into one, and created the Iron throne.

THAT King and THAT throne has no previous line of succession. All the other kingdoms swore fealty for more than a thousand years.

**LunarSol**

Sam will survive to tell the story of those who don’t. That’s the ultimate role of this kind of author avatar.

**trexmeyer**

Spoiler:

Edit: This episode is already controversial.

**malfred**

What's the controversy?

**trexmeyer**

Spoiler:

**Ouze**

... Did not see that coming.

**trexmeyer**

It was predicted a while back, but I never thought they'd actually do that.

Spoiler:

**Necros**

Overall great episode, the characters that have lines that died were ones I wasn't expecting. Dragon battle was great. Wish they showed the wolf for more than 3 seconds.. where did he go? Off smelling zombie butts somewhere?

**Gordon Shumway**

From here on out, whatever the series has planned for any sort of climactic battle for the throne will sort of seem anticlimactic. Maybe they aren't going for a big final battle?

**infinite_array**

Victory over the millenia old evil at the cost of only five main characters, and only two of whom that really mattered!

(Plus tens of thousands of soldiers and a few hundred civilians, but who's counting?)

The episode kind of felt like fast food, the better kind? Like, it tasted alright going down but it's not filling, and left a bad aftertaste.

And yeah, it feels like any battle or conflict after this is just... wastful? They literally just beat the world ending evil. Now go take your dragons and turn Cersei into a b!tch-flambe. Show over.

**Ouze**

Yeah I guess they're going to spend a lot of time... on cleanup, essentially?

I like the episode overall but the placement was weird. I didn't think some of the events would have happened until the penultimate episode.

**malfred**

I haven't been watching, but

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