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Craftworlds, Drukhari, Harlequins. In that order. No sigil of the Yncarne up there.

VladimirHerzog wrote:

They removed the picture since many factions were missing and they said that all of them would get new rules.

Yeah, then they put the picture back with Space Wolves and Admech logos added. Still no Ynnari one.

 vipoid wrote:

VladimirHerzog wrote:

They removed the picture since many factions were missing and they said that all of them would get new rules.

Yeah, then they put the picture back with Space Wolves and Admech logos added. Still no Ynnari one.

Which is fine because:
A) if CWE, DE & Harlequins are getting new rules, Ynnari are by default, so GW isn't lying when they say ALL FACTIONS and
B) Ynnari should never have been a faction in the first place. Just an alliance of factions lead by specific Characters

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 Galef wrote:
Which is fine because:
A) if CWE, DE & Harlequins are getting new rules, Ynnari are by default, so GW isn't lying when they say ALL FACTIONS
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Er, no, that's not how it works at all.

Ynnari don't get access to DE/Eldar/Harlequin:
- Warlord traits
- Stratagems
- Artefacts
- Special characters
- Mandrakes
- Coven units

So if the rules are for any of those (with the first 3 being the most likely), then Ynnari won't have gained any new rules at all. So GW will have lied.

 Galef wrote:

B) Ynnari should never have been a faction in the first place. Just an alliance of factions lead by specific Characters
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Agree to disagree.

Only being usable when you run specific special characters is the reason Ynnari is such utter garbage.

It all sounds so, evil and malicious, "GW lied". Honestly it's probably an honest oversight if somehow Ynarri don't get any rules updates

The new rules for Ynnari it's a double edge, if the Psychic Awakening new rules are relics/stratagems and psy powers then truly Ynnari won't get gak from it.

But if the new rules means some new units, upgraded datasheet for old ones and new built in abilities then Ynnari may get a minor boost.

P.S: i don't mind Ynnari current state as it allows me to field a Craftworld with Ynnari wraith force and i'm greatly enjoying the new rules despite not being a meta competitive force right now.

 Elfric wrote:
It all sounds so, evil and malicious, "GW lied". Honestly it's probably an honest oversight if somehow Ynarri don't get any rules updates

I apologise if stating facts sounds malicious.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
The new rules for Ynnari it's a double edge, if the Psychic Awakening new rules are relics/stratagems and psy powers then truly Ynnari won't get gak from it.

But if the new rules means some new units, upgraded datasheet for old ones and new built in abilities then Ynnari may get a minor boost.

It's possible, though honestly I'd happily settle for GW simply removing the lead weight from round Ynnari's neck.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

P.S: i don't mind Ynnari current state as it allows me to field a Craftworld with Ynnari wraith force and i'm greatly enjoying the new rules despite not being a meta competitive force right now.

I'd be more than happy with the current Ynnari rules if it wasn't for the special character requirement (though I'll admit a Warptime-type power would have been nice).

Played in a local RTT and won 3-0 with an "almost" pure Ynnari list. Gotta say, I really enjoyed playing it.

Alaitoc Airwing
-CHE
-2x Hemlock

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Battalion
-Autarch w/swooping hawk wings, banshee, hungering blade reaper launcher. Warlord w/ walker of many paths
-Yvraine
-3x10 storm guardians

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Supreme Command
-Yncarne
-Wraithseer w/ Lost Shroud and wraithcannon
-Wraithseer w/ Lord of Rebirth and wraithcannon
-Wraithknight w/ Suncannon & Scattershield, 2x scatter lasers

Surprisingly, the Wraithknight did a ton of work in each of my games. The Wraithseers tanked a ton of damage and combined with the autarch's rerolls did considerable work. The autarch might have been my MVP though. Was great at getting CP back all game, and was the perfect utility unit. Able to plink off wounds with the launcher, eat overwatch, and clear some objectives or assasinate a few characters with the HB

Will definitely play this list again but may try to substitute wyches in lieu of the storm guardians to try and take advantage of the United in Death strat.

What kind of armies did you face?

 Elfric wrote:
What kind of armies did you face?

I played against a new Ultramarine list, chaos daemons, then a chaos knight list.

 wannabmoy wrote:
Played in a local RTT and won 3-0 with an "almost" pure Ynnari list. Gotta say, I really enjoyed playing it.

Alaitoc Airwing
-CHE
-2x Hemlock

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Battalion
-Autarch w/swooping hawk wings, banshee, hungering blade reaper launcher. Warlord w/ walker of many paths
-Yvraine
-3x10 storm guardians

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Supreme Command
-Yncarne
-Wraithseer w/ Lost Shroud and wraithcannon
-Wraithseer w/ Lord of Rebirth and wraithcannon
-Wraithknight w/ Suncannon & Scattershield, 2x scatter lasers

Surprisingly, the Wraithknight did a ton of work in each of my games. The Wraithseers tanked a ton of damage and combined with the autarch's rerolls did considerable work. The autarch might have been my MVP though. Was great at getting CP back all game, and was the perfect utility unit. Able to plink off wounds with the launcher, eat overwatch, and clear some objectives or assasinate a few characters with the HB

Will definitely play this list again but may try to substitute wyches in lieu of the storm guardians to try and take advantage of the United in Death strat.

This is great. It's similar to the list I posted above. Glad you had some success. That Ynnari Supreme command is so fun to play. I ran sword and board, but might try suncannon next time.

Well the new update shows some insight into into Ynnari

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/09/psychic-awakening-the-first-prophecygw-homepage-post-4/

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Well the new update shows some insight into into Ynnari

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/09/psychic-awakening-the-first-prophecygw-homepage-post-4/

The reference to Ynnari Banshees walking a different path is interesting.

I'd like to believe that this means Ynnari is getting an overhaul.

Really hope it doesn't just mean that Banshees work differently under Ynnari but everything else remains exactly the same.

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 wannabmoy wrote:
Played in a local RTT and won 3-0 with an "almost" pure Ynnari list. Gotta say, I really enjoyed playing it.

Alaitoc Airwing
-CHE
-2x Hemlock

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Battalion
-Autarch w/swooping hawk wings, banshee, hungering blade reaper launcher. Warlord w/ walker of many paths
-Yvraine
-3x10 storm guardians

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Supreme Command
-Yncarne
-Wraithseer w/ Lost Shroud and wraithcannon
-Wraithseer w/ Lord of Rebirth and wraithcannon
-Wraithknight w/ Suncannon & Scattershield, 2x scatter lasers

Surprisingly, the Wraithknight did a ton of work in each of my games. The Wraithseers tanked a ton of damage and combined with the autarch's rerolls did considerable work. The autarch might have been my MVP though. Was great at getting CP back all game, and was the perfect utility unit. Able to plink off wounds with the launcher, eat overwatch, and clear some objectives or assasinate a few characters with the HB

Will definitely play this list again but may try to substitute wyches in lieu of the storm guardians to try and take advantage of the United in Death strat.

This is great. It's similar to the list I posted above. Glad you had some success. That Ynnari Supreme command is so fun to play. I ran sword and board, but might try suncannon next time.

Was a lot of fun to play and thank you for the inspiration. Really straightforward. Basically the point of the list was to make sure I got a single kill each turn to activate Soulburst actions. That wraithknight has a lot of ways to do a ton of work if it's left to survive, ancestor's grace, unbind souls, extra attacks, etc. He one shot a double gat cannon despoiler in melee with stomps, that was pretty sweet, Can't speak enough about the Autarch though. That dude was the perfect utility player all day.

 wannabmoy wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 wannabmoy wrote:
Played in a local RTT and won 3-0 with an "almost" pure Ynnari list. Gotta say, I really enjoyed playing it.

Alaitoc Airwing
-CHE
-2x Hemlock

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Battalion
-Autarch w/swooping hawk wings, banshee, hungering blade reaper launcher. Warlord w/ walker of many paths
-Yvraine
-3x10 storm guardians

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Supreme Command
-Yncarne
-Wraithseer w/ Lost Shroud and wraithcannon
-Wraithseer w/ Lord of Rebirth and wraithcannon
-Wraithknight w/ Suncannon & Scattershield, 2x scatter lasers

Surprisingly, the Wraithknight did a ton of work in each of my games. The Wraithseers tanked a ton of damage and combined with the autarch's rerolls did considerable work. The autarch might have been my MVP though. Was great at getting CP back all game, and was the perfect utility unit. Able to plink off wounds with the launcher, eat overwatch, and clear some objectives or assasinate a few characters with the HB

Will definitely play this list again but may try to substitute wyches in lieu of the storm guardians to try and take advantage of the United in Death strat.

This is great. It's similar to the list I posted above. Glad you had some success. That Ynnari Supreme command is so fun to play. I ran sword and board, but might try suncannon next time.

Was a lot of fun to play and thank you for the inspiration. Really straightforward. Basically the point of the list was to make sure I got a single kill each turn to activate Soulburst actions. That wraithknight has a lot of ways to do a ton of work if it's left to survive, ancestor's grace, unbind souls, extra attacks, etc. He one shot a double gat cannon despoiler in melee with stomps, that was pretty sweet, Can't speak enough about the Autarch though. That dude was the perfect utility player all day.

Well my Autarch underperform every game, without the index options he is not so good.

Marin wrote:

 wannabmoy wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 wannabmoy wrote:
Played in a local RTT and won 3-0 with an "almost" pure Ynnari list. Gotta say, I really enjoyed playing it.

Alaitoc Airwing
-CHE
-2x Hemlock

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Battalion
-Autarch w/swooping hawk wings, banshee, hungering blade reaper launcher. Warlord w/ walker of many paths
-Yvraine
-3x10 storm guardians

Ynnari Reborn Asuryani Supreme Command
-Yncarne
-Wraithseer w/ Lost Shroud and wraithcannon
-Wraithseer w/ Lord of Rebirth and wraithcannon
-Wraithknight w/ Suncannon & Scattershield, 2x scatter lasers

Surprisingly, the Wraithknight did a ton of work in each of my games. The Wraithseers tanked a ton of damage and combined with the autarch's rerolls did considerable work. The autarch might have been my MVP though. Was great at getting CP back all game, and was the perfect utility unit. Able to plink off wounds with the launcher, eat overwatch, and clear some objectives or assasinate a few characters with the HB

Will definitely play this list again but may try to substitute wyches in lieu of the storm guardians to try and take advantage of the United in Death strat.

This is great. It's similar to the list I posted above. Glad you had some success. That Ynnari Supreme command is so fun to play. I ran sword and board, but might try suncannon next time.

Was a lot of fun to play and thank you for the inspiration. Really straightforward. Basically the point of the list was to make sure I got a single kill each turn to activate Soulburst actions. That wraithknight has a lot of ways to do a ton of work if it's left to survive, ancestor's grace, unbind souls, extra attacks, etc. He one shot a double gat cannon despoiler in melee with stomps, that was pretty sweet, Can't speak enough about the Autarch though. That dude was the perfect utility player all day.

Well my Autarch underperform every game, without the index options he is not so good.

Yep.. without index options he is only a weak support character, here's hoping Legends don't ruin him and he gets some real options soon.

Is anyone else excited for the points drop for the Trium characters? Yncarne is looking particularly tasty, but excited about trying to work them into my lists going forward.

Yeah, i might use my Yncarne again.

Yncarnes forced warlord attribute is now the naff minus leadership one. That's quite a nerf. That combined with the triple-faction +1a strat going up to 2cp has me really asking, what the hell are GW thinking with Ynnari?

The +1A Stratagem was kinda a no brainer before and somewhat still is. Take some trash to fill detachment like a bunch of death jesters, activate, give +1A to one and to venom or whoever, and get +1A on your main unit for 1CP. The only thing you pay is army composition, and the soul crushing necessity of picking best units of all three factions and building list out of them. Le horror.

Now for 2CP, at least you would use it as intended - on a combined attack. Although you can still just use it on herohammer as well.

When Triumvirate was expensive you could probably argue it was not as good, but with new prices there's basically nothing to be sad about: Yvraine is +1 caster for 115 points (usually those are more expensive) who can even fight in a pinch, Visarch is solid for his points and shows a finger to Vindicars, and Yncarne is, well, Yncarne.

-1 S and -1A is a significant nerf to the Yncarne's output, and completely uncalled for. Same with the strat nerf. Ynnari are so far behind the curve, the fact that GW saw a need to nerf them really says something. Not exactly sure what.

Why would you even make him a Warlord? He would draw too much attention (well, always will, but you get it - it's not a model which is going to stay away from the enemy). It is a lot better to make someone like Biketarch a Warlord and throw a defensive trait/relic on him.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Why would you even make him a Warlord? He would draw too much attention (well, always will, but you get it - it's not a model which is going to stay away from the enemy). It is a lot better to make someone like Biketarch a Warlord and throw a defensive trait/relic on him.

I agree with this (personally planning to make a Shadowseer with Lord of Rebirth my Warlord).

However, regardless of whether Yncanre as warlord is optimal, there was still no reason to nerf it by giving it a crappier Warlord Trait.

 grouchoben wrote:
-1 S and -1A is a significant nerf to the Yncarne's output, and completely uncalled for. Same with the strat nerf. Ynnari are so far behind the curve, the fact that GW saw a need to nerf them really says something. Not exactly sure what.

I didnt see this, holy hell thats terrible... maybe i wont play it still.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Why would you even make him a Warlord? He would draw too much attention (well, always will, but you get it - it's not a model which is going to stay away from the enemy). It is a lot better to make someone like Biketarch a Warlord and throw a defensive trait/relic on him.

You are right, but i still don`t see the point of locking the traits and nerfing them in the first place.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
-1 S and -1A is a significant nerf to the Yncarne's output, and completely uncalled for. Same with the strat nerf. Ynnari are so far behind the curve, the fact that GW saw a need to nerf them really says something. Not exactly sure what.

I didnt see this, holy hell thats terrible... maybe i wont play it still.

(Just to clarify, sorry, in case I've mislead: the unit hasn't been nerfed, only its access to what was the perfect warlord trait for it. It's still S6 A6 base.)

 grouchoben wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
-1 S and -1A is a significant nerf to the Yncarne's output, and completely uncalled for. Same with the strat nerf. Ynnari are so far behind the curve, the fact that GW saw a need to nerf them really says something. Not exactly sure what.

I didnt see this, holy hell thats terrible... maybe i wont play it still.

(Just to clarify, sorry, in case I've mislead: the unit hasn't been nerfed, only its access to what was the perfect warlord trait for it. It's still S6 A6 base.)

AH ok, thanks. Yeah thats different. Cool.

While the points drop is welcomed, the change in mandatory warlord trait kind of points to what GW thinks the Yncarne should be.

It will be severely hampered in its ability to reliably damage heavy armor and dreads and the such. Losing Str 7 and that extra attack are quite substantial IMO.

I feel that I will find more ways to work Yvraine into soup lists, but overall, I'm not thrilled about what direction Ynnari are headed in right now.

I'm really hoping that something viable comes of this, but I'm struggling to see it.

 wannabmoy wrote:
While the points drop is welcomed, the change in mandatory warlord trait kind of points to what GW thinks the Yncarne should be.

It will be severely hampered in its ability to reliably damage heavy armor and dreads and the such. Losing Str 7 and that extra attack are quite substantial IMO.

I feel that I will find more ways to work Yvraine into soup lists, but overall, I'm not thrilled about what direction Ynnari are headed in right now.

I'm really hoping that something viable comes of this, but I'm struggling to see it.

At least it kept its reroll wounds, i rarely run mine with a warlord trait and most of the time i'm overkilling my target anyway.
I think that even with that nerf, the points reduction makes it almost an auto-include in my drukhari/craftworld lists.

Yeah, i dont take it with a WL trait, my other traits are normally better served somewhere else honestly.