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 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really don't think the watering down the paint quite achieves the same effect. Watered paint pools more aggressively whilst leaving more uneven and somewhat desaturated finish. Different painting mediums exist for a reason.

Its true that it happens, when you water down too much.

But isn't that also true for GWs contrast paint?

Look at this black, is it really that good?

Spoiler:

I'm with you on these paints being pointless to those of us who know how to turn paints into "washes".
Although I am glad these will be available for the apparent majority who don't know how or can't be bothered to.

But I also agree with others that thinning with water doesn't quite achieve the same affect. Sometimes it leaves "grainy" textures. At least for me it does.
That's why I make washes using Lahmean medium. It seems to "suspend" the pigments and distributes them smoothly, pooling in the same manner as the new Contrasts.

But again, I appreciate that these will be available for others and can see them being a useful tool.
For me, I'd rather just have a pot or 2 of Lahmean medium and make my own out of the paints I have or cheap hobby store acrylics.

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That's all the colours as far as I know...
(Descriptors in brackets where the colour is not named in case the image is missing)

Iyanden Yellow
Blood Angel Red
Volopus Pink
Magos Purple
Akhelian Green
Gryph-hound Orange
Flesh Tearers Red
Shyish Purple
Leviadon Blue
Dark Angels Green
Nazdreg Yellow
Creed Camo (Pale Green)
Aggaros Dunes (Sandy Cream)
Snakebite Leather (Light Brown)
Cygor Brown
Ork Flesh (Green)
Militarum Green
Skeleton Horde (Ivory White)
Gore-Grunta Fur (Red-Brown)
Wyldwood (Dark Brown)
Fyreslayer Flesh (Dark Skin Pink)
Darkoath Flesh (Light Skin Pink)
Space Wolves Grey (Blue-Grey)
Black Templar (Black)
Warp Lightning (Green)
Guilliman Flesh (Midtone Skin Pink)
Gryph-Charger Grey (Pale Blue-Grey)
Basilicanum Grey
Talassar Blue
Aethermatic Blue
Plaguebearer Flesh (Pale Green)
Ultramarines Blue
Terradon Turquoise
Apothecary White

So... let me get this right....

GW have 'invented' Army Painter Skeleton bone spray, Halfords Grey primer spray and a slightly larger variety of coloured washes than Army Painter make with GW silly names.

All the fan boys say "woohoo to our GW gods", etc, and buy 34 more paint pots.

$$$

#nothing new at all

I will probably be stripping the majority of my half-painted Crimson Fists models to give this a try. If I can get decent coverage with the rattle cans, I will probably be set. Heck, spraying white primer and then coating with the paint pot version of the undercoat might be fine. If this works as well as it is supposed to, I will probably apply the same technique to my Blood Angels and Skitarii. If the yellow actually works well, my 30K Imperial Fists might actually get painted as well.

If batch painting squads goes well, this might just get me a fully painted army in a month or so. Yay?

Edit: That actually looks like a pretty decent spread of paints. Bring 'em on!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
So... let me get this right....

GW have 'invented' Army Painter Skeleton bone spray, Halfords Grey primer spray and a slightly larger variety of coloured washes than Army Painter make with GW silly names.

All the fan boys say "woohoo to our GW gods", etc, and buy 34 more paint pots.

$$$

#nothing new at all

TBH I don't get the appeal of Army painter.
-Every bottle paint I got from them off a rack it was chalky, and alot of the bottles will explode in the mail by the time it gets to me.
-Their spray primers all came out thick and gloopy for me.

I legit feel like I wasted by money trying to buy their paints/painting system and have thrown everything I've own of theirs out at this point.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, the black doesn't look good. I really don't think you can do good black with these as it is a colour which requires sharp highlights. But look how strongly saturated the rest of the colours are and how smooth of most of the transitions are. This most definitely is not just added water. It is not magic in a pot, but this seems like a very useful sort of paint to me and I can't wait to try it.

Green paint with water.
GW still better?

 Galef wrote:

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really don't think the watering down the paint quite achieves the same effect. Watered paint pools more aggressively whilst leaving more uneven and somewhat desaturated finish. Different painting mediums exist for a reason.

Its true that it happens, when you water down too much.

But isn't that also true for GWs contrast paint?

Look at this black, is it really that good?

Spoiler:

I'm with you on these paints being pointless to those of us who know how to turn paints into "washes".
Although I am glad these will be available for the apparent majority who don't know how or can't be bothered to.

But I also agree with others that thinning with water doesn't quite achieve the same affect. Sometimes it leaves "grainy" textures. At least for me it does.
That's why I make washes using Lahmean medium. It seems to "suspend" the pigments and distributes them smoothly, pooling in the same manner as the new Contrasts.

But again, I appreciate that these will be available for others and can see them being a useful tool.
For me, I'd rather just have a pot or 2 of Lahmean medium and make my own out of the paints I have or cheap hobby store acrylics.

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I have to disagree about them being pointless for more experienced painters. I've *never* achieved a result that smooth and vibrant with a single coat, either of GW shades or washes I made myself. Especially when you're talking about the darker or more saturated colours in the new range. Cutting down anywhere from 3 to half a dozen applications(I really, really hate yellow), with consistent colours and no need to "find" the consistency myself each time? Yeah I'll pay GW prices for that.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, the black doesn't look good. I really don't think you can do good black with these as it is a colour which requires sharp highlights. But look how strongly saturated the rest of the colours are and how smooth of most of the transitions are. This most definitely is not just added water. It is not magic in a pot, but this seems like a very useful sort of paint to me and I can't wait to try it.

Spoiler:

Green paint with water.
GW still better?

The GW one looks abit cleaner to me TBH. Your's is close tho.

Edit:
Here is the side by side. You get more of a clean panel line on the GW stuff comparing the shoulder pads. The GW stuff also keeps more of it's bright colour. Like the pigment density is a bit stronger then just "watered down paint" is the impression I get. Also using a better binder then straight water. Just my educated guess comparing the two.

Your model look cool and ghosty. Looks like one of those GWs wraith paints, really. But if one wanted the model to actually look green, then that was not what happened. The highlight areas are very desaturated and pale, many of the edges are white.

Alright hold on.


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Another green with only water.

By the way, the saturated edges you are talking about, they are because of the beige undercoat they are using.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Alright hold on.

And there is IMO the point to these paints. I could experiment with different mixes and techniques to get a similar effect with stuff I already have. Or I could save time(and money in wasted test models) by using the contrast paints straight out of the pot.

Ok DanceofSlaneesh, we get it, you can do just as well as the new GW paints. Fair play to you sir.

Also, you may wish to consider that other people will have a differing skill level to you and that those people may find these new paints useful due to their convenience.

Adding water to paint aint that hard.

If at any point in this thread you have began a sentence with "I can do the same thing by mixing..." then you're missing the entire point. These are the Easy-Bake Ovens of painting, so of fething COURSE you Master Chefs can do better with your fully equipped kitchens, no gak sherlock!

These are pre-mixed "beginner" paints aimed at intro painters and lazy painters to get an OKish result with almost no work. Most people on this board can already probably paint better than the Contrast effect with only minimal effort. That is not the point of these.

If you really want to convince people that they don’t need to spend extra money on this new range you should probably just skip to showing us that you can get a nice smooth, bright yellow in one layer.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Adding water to paint aint that hard.

Buying a specially formulated paint is easier yet.

These? These will help me get a fully painted army with minimal fuss. And if I stretch to perhaps an edge highlight, or a thinned wash, they’ll look pretty spanky, very quickly.

I already painted more today then all of you together

 Lockark wrote:

TBH I don't get the appeal of Army painter.
-Every bottle paint I got from them off a rack it was chalky, and alot of the bottles will explode in the mail by the time it gets to me.
-Their spray primers all came out thick and gloopy for me.
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Their sprays, washes and quickshades are the reason people are fans of Army Painter. Their acrylics work best with a very specific painting style, and so a lot of people find them to be not too their liking.

Not sure what happened with your sprays... I've had nothing but good results.



The range of colors is going to be the selling point for the Contrast paints. Will be interesting to see what other ranges come up with in response.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Adding water to paint aint that hard.

Obviously it is, it took you several tries to get even somewhat similar result on a small area and it is still not and exact match!

Do you somehow think that painting mediums are a scam? That they do actually affect the properties of the paint and are just water?

Now, I obviously cannot tell for sure what the exact effects are until I have tried them myself, but it seems pretty clear to me that these are just not watered down normal paints. They are more like something between a super saturated glaze and a wash.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Adding water to paint aint that hard.

but getting the mix right is a skill, the fact that you needed a 2nd try goes to show.

Don't gate keep people's hobby. If they want to use a paint already formulated to make this technique easier it's not a big deal.

 insaniak wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

TBH I don't get the appeal of Army painter.
-Every bottle paint I got from them off a rack it was chalky, and alot of the bottles will explode in the mail by the time it gets to me.
-Their spray primers all came out thick and gloopy for me.
.

Their sprays, washes and quickshades are the reason people are fans of Army Painter. Their acrylics work best with a very specific painting style, and so a lot of people find them to be not too their liking.

But sure what happened with your sprays... I've had nothing but good results.

I'll second that. I've been using AP sprays for most of the last decade, and its always been silky smooth.
Probably the best spray I've used since the (very) old Armory paints in the early 90s. Still miss those, coated really well and had no problems until they re-designed the line, slapped the Dork Tower logo on them and promptly went into a merger and wandered out of the business of hobby supplies.

You guys are free to use the paint, seriously, I don't care.

I simply presented an alternative way. Gatekeeping? What the hell man haha.

Good luck with your painting guys.

Im gonna go paint some now, for I have the power to mix water and paint! so I do not need to wait for GW so I save both TIME and MONEY!

I would rather spend a little extra money to get a better effect than mixing water and paint.

As someone who aspires to compete at the top of Crystal brush and can achieve this effect with thinned downned paints, These are amazing.
But like I said, these will look better on organic models then ones in armor.
Yes, these can be acheived with other products, but what people fail to realize is these are GW products, and keeping people buying GW products is what Gw wants.

I think my favorite thing about these paints is that they're apparently really good for putting on other basecoats. Someone else mentioned in another thread that they're good for getting effects and stuff.

I watched a video from a guy that was there and got to play around with the paints.

Apparently they are slow drying like a wash (no surprise there) and the layers are incredibly thin. Like a tenth as thin. So it is very important to seal the layers in since they can rub off easily. Whatever the medium it uses is, it isn't durable like normal shades.

You also cannot mix them with other paint or use other mediums. Well you can, but the effect is lost. You can mix them with each other though.


Oh and I guess they will work over any primer, GW just made these new colors because they happen to be good for the effect but there isn't anything preventing you from using other undercoats and getting the effect.

They seem like fun and would definitely take the skill out of painting with glazes for folks that are not super familiar with how to do it. I still think these would look miles better over a zenethial undercoat though.

It's definitely not something I would end up using (hate GW pots and their cost, so I'd probably avoid it altogether) but if removing one or two steps is going to get people to actually paint their fething models...I'm all behind it.

I often paint quite a few minis, but I'm a huge proponent of cheating and simply getting stuff on the table. If this is another form of cheating and people are convinced enough to actually use it to paint...all the better.

I do absolutely agree this is nothing game-changing...but putting it in a crappy designed pot and selling it to the masses is a good move for GW. (I've seen people paint with washes and watered down paints for years - it's not new at all).

All the cringey elitism aside, I think these paints are pretty awesome. I do a lot of wet blending, and these are about to save me a crapload of time.

 Lockark wrote:

TBH I don't get the appeal of Army painter.

It is not GW; to some people that is the major selling point.

There are qualities of paint beyond what the finished product looks like. The pigment density and separation, how it behaves off the brush, surface tension on the model etc etc etc

Personally, I find most heavily watered paint a struggle to work with.

I'll be giving the Contrast line a shot. As someone else mentioned, it's just another tool at your disposal