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 ImAGeek wrote:


I got an airbrush for mass under coats, and I much prefer a rattle can. Spent much more time cleaning the airbrush than anything else.

Honestly read that as mass murder coats.

I have an compressor and 3 different airbrushes. one for lacquer, one for acrylic, and one for base coating. and man cleaning them sucks.

i do whatever in my power to get a rattle can that gets more as close as possible to what im looking for. except varnish.

nothing iv used protects and coats like the alcald II varnishes.

Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

Proof? for scientific purposes ofc

 Desubot wrote:

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

Proof? for scientific purposes ofc

Ive been down that road.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

Proof? for scientific purposes ofc

Ive been down that road.

Yes, you have. Move on.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
I would say for all the money spent on Citadel products over years, one could definitely afford themselves an airbrush. If you had to paint hundreds of models, you would probably already found out all the better ways of doing that. Which is why I pointed out that this new product is not really "a godsend" for people who need to paint lots of models.

Airbrushes are not an option for some people for simple space reasons.

Plus they're a pain in the ass. You have to clean them constantly, even good ones clog/jam, and they add a ton more time in the set up and break down stage. You need good ventilation and something to prevent overspray. I can't paint while watching TV with the family thanks to a noisy compressor.

I don't know what magic airbrush some people have been using, but mine was a colossal waste of time and money.

ERJAK wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

catbarf wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Or for noise reasons, I'm not sure my neighbours would appreciate hearing a compressor running at 2am("But but but" I can already here someone rushing to post - there are quiet ones, yes, and ones with big tanks, and they're both a lot more expensive than the basic cheapie import jobs that most people will buy and which airbrush advocates can use to say "it's cheaper than buying citadel"). Or for simple preference reasons. Something airbrush evangelists tend to forget is that's it's actually perfectly OK to simply prefer painting with a normal brush.

I don't mean to evangelize, but I often see hobbyists be oddly anti-airbrush for spurious reasons. Space? My cheapo Harbor Freight airbrush and compressor fit in a shoebox with room to spare. Noise? It's quieter than my microwave; I have no idea where people get the idea that airbrush compressors are loud. Ventilation? Cheap spray booth, doubles as a paint station for normal brushwork. All of it together cost the equivalent of about a hundred quid, which has paid for itself by eliminating the need for spray primer or varnish.

Personal preference is one thing, but for certain tasks (like mass undercoats, or zenithal highlighting) it really is the best tool for the job.

Best tool for the job n your opinion. Spray cans work perfectly fine for those jobs in my experience, and the long-term additional expense is, like these new paints, a price a lot of folk are willing to pay for convenience - rattlecans don't need to be cleaned or otherwise cared for beyond a quick inverted blast to clear the nozzle when done, they don't require equipment to use at all, nor do they require any appreciable degree of skill to use, or need you to fanny about thinning and mixing stuff.

You're very much operating from a place of "these things are not problems for me, so they are not problems at all", a common attitude among airbrush evangelists.

Rattlecans run out of paint really fast and are incredibly wasteful of paint.

Neither of which affects their ability to do the job, even to the extent they're actually true. I could follow the example of some other posters and make smarmy remarks about how you're only having that experience because you've just not bothered to learn how to use rattlecans properly, but since I'm not actually trying to convince anyone their tool of choice is badwrong and inadequate and they should use my tool of choice instead, there's no need for that kind of thing.

 Yodhrin wrote:
You're very much operating from a place of "these things are not problems for me, so they are not problems at all", a common attitude among airbrush evangelists.

I'm operating from a place of having spent a lot of time and effort with both methods, and turned to airbrushing to alleviate the problems I had with rattlecans.

There are a number of legitimate reasons to dislike airbrushes that I won't argue with. 'They're loud enough to wake up the neighbors' isn't one of them. It makes it sound like your complaints come from misinformation and speculation, rather than actual experience. Maybe that's why you have a recurring problem with 'evangelists'. Maybe some of them are fellow hobbyists trying to help you out.

I try to give everything a fair shake for myself before passing judgment. Hence my looking forward to trying out Contrast.

My hobby room is downsizing due to a second child.
I think we can all agree this is a worse situation than deciding what method to paint with.
(I’ll tie it in by just saying, it’s one of my reasons for not airbrushing. Lack of space. Time with the kids also gets in the way ).
I’m assuming there are some jars or pots that connect onto the airbrush so you could keep the paint in the jar when you switch between colours and stuff? That would save a chunk of the time, no decanting or any of that side.

I’ll agree GW’s current pot style isn’t the best,

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Anybody else mentally queuing up potential projects and uses for these paints? I'm up to four with just the blacks and greys already

Space Marines (assorted chapters)
Orks (40k)
Orks (Generic fantasy)
Death Guard
Sisters of Battle (when available)
plus any and all scenery and just about all basing.

I suspect a lot of my paints will now be relegated to fine edges and spot details.

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Anybody else mentally queuing up potential projects and uses for these paints? I'm up to four with just the blacks and greys already

Space Marines (assorted chapters)
Orks (40k)
Orks (Generic fantasy)
Death Guard
Sisters of Battle (when available)
plus any and all scenery and just about all basing.

I suspect a lot of my paints will now be relegated to fine edges and spot details.

I have a backlog of River Trolls and Gors who all need painted, I hope these can help clear up.

I also started painted metallic red Red Corsairs, but now wounder if I should hold off to see if I like the red contrast over gold look more.

I do like the Instar metallics I got and seem abit better for when I do my vheciles? I will need to test and compare.

you might have better luck with red contrast over silver- I iagine the yellow in gold might change the color of the red into an orange.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
you might have better luck with red contrast over silver- I iagine the yellow in gold might change the color of the red into an orange.

This is Red contrast, over gold, and with a silver high light. The yellow of the Gold helps to make the Red look Warmer. It's the same reason FW used gold as the base for their Clear Red paint to paint their 1Ksons.

It's a bit surprising but the truth. ^^

I'm thinking of using the contrast colors for my tzeentch mortals (still not primed).
But I don't like to use the rattle can primers. Maybe it will be possible to aribrush-prime them white, give them a smooth coat of varnish and then work with the new contrast colours... in theory, that should work quite well, shouldn't it?

Nibbler wrote:
I'm thinking of using the contrast colors for my tzeentch mortals (still not primed).
But I don't like to use the rattle can primers. Maybe it will be possible to aribrush-prime them white, give them a smooth coat of varnish and then work with the new contrast colours... in theory, that should work quite well, shouldn't it?

I won't be using cans. I have a multitude of primers so I'll be testing them all on casting scraps with contrast paints. I'll report back on dakka once the paints are released and I've tried them

I suspect it will be okay over any sufficiently light coloured primer. The matte or glossy nature of primers (most are usually more matte) will probably have some effect on how well the contrast paint settles on open flat areas.

Nibbler wrote:
I'm thinking of using the contrast colors for my tzeentch mortals (still not primed).
But I don't like to use the rattle can primers. Maybe it will be possible to aribrush-prime them white, give them a smooth coat of varnish and then work with the new contrast colours... in theory, that should work quite well, shouldn't it?

At the event it was stated that their is actually nothing special about the base coat. It's just two new colours they introduced as both can+paint pots, that work well as base colours for contrast paints. It's just a Warm off white and Cold off white.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I don't think people are "fanboys", they just got some results and are using tools which worked for them. It's normal. I'm not critical of just some random person. I am however critical of Citadel way of painting because I think it doesn't teach people important basics and to love painting. Their whole obsession is to make painting to end as soon as possible as like some sort of a chore between buying models and playing. While taking more money from people than what I consider reasonable and selling stuff which I just find kinda bizarre.

Funnily enough it IS chore and annoyance for many...Those prefer to play with bare plastic and paint only if they can't play due to say tournament enforcing minimum level of painting.

And you know what? That is just as valid way to enjoy miniature games as yours.


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 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

How do you get 100% exact same thin ratio year after year consistently?

tneva82 wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
I don't think people are "fanboys", they just got some results and are using tools which worked for them. It's normal. I'm not critical of just some random person. I am however critical of Citadel way of painting because I think it doesn't teach people important basics and to love painting. Their whole obsession is to make painting to end as soon as possible as like some sort of a chore between buying models and playing. While taking more money from people than what I consider reasonable and selling stuff which I just find kinda bizarre.

Funnily enough it IS chore and annoyance for many...Those prefer to play with bare plastic and paint only if they can't play due to say tournament enforcing minimum level of painting.

And you know what? That is just as valid way to enjoy miniature games as yours.

Yeah, I’ve never enjoyed painting. It frustrates me, takes me ages, and while I could improve/get faster, I don’t enjoy it so don’t feel the inclination to.

However, after trying the new contrast paints at the weekend, I’m actually excited to paint. So I would say so far, they’ve done a better job of ‘teaching me to love painting’ than anything else has before now.

So the thread got kind of long. Did I miss a release date or are they just “coming soon”?

Next month.

 AduroT wrote:
So the thread got kind of long. Did I miss a release date or are they just “coming soon”?

June, but no more specific than that.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Before contrast paints: Why do these paints have so bad coverage?!?!
After contrast paints: Wow look how transparent these paints are!! Magic!!

Seriously guys, that's all there is to it. Add water, glaze medium what ever, paint over a bright smooth primer you achieve the same effect.

This photo has already came up in this thread. Red contrast paint over a gold undergoat, with silver highlights.


You can't do that with "watered down paints". These are proper transparent paints.

 Lockark wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
you might have better luck with red contrast over silver- I iagine the yellow in gold might change the color of the red into an orange.

This is Red contrast, over gold, and with a silver high light. The yellow of the Gold helps to make the Red look Warmer. It's the same reason FW used gold as the base for their Clear Red paint to paint their 1Ksons.

It's a bit surprising but the truth. ^^

Spoiler:

I agree. Red over gold.

I’ve found that the red over silver can often give you a cold, duller look, whereas the red over gold provides a warmer, richer red on larger things like armour.

That said, for small details like eye lenses, the FW clear paints over stormhost silver is fantastic.

Will test the new contrast stuff over both again to see what I think.

tneva82 wrote:
Funnily enough it IS chore and annoyance for many...Those prefer to play with bare plastic and paint only if they can't play due to say tournament enforcing minimum level of painting.

And you know what? That is just as valid way to enjoy miniature games as yours.

If that was so sports would have been played with grey plastic, and sports people usually care the least for how their army looks, there are many which are into it just for the game. You're in a hobby where people band together to create something beautiful, the armies, the tables, the terrain; and if you think that going with unpainted army around people who put their time and effort to paint theirs is as valid, you're wrong.

 Shadenuat wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Funnily enough it IS chore and annoyance for many...Those prefer to play with bare plastic and paint only if they can't play due to say tournament enforcing minimum level of painting.

And you know what? That is just as valid way to enjoy miniature games as yours.

If that was so sports would have been played with grey plastic, and sports people usually care the least for how their army looks, there are many which are into it just for the game. You're in a hobby where people band together to create something beautiful, the armies, the tables, the terrain; and if you think that going with unpainted army around people who put their time and effort to paint theirs is as valid, you're wrong.

Stop trying to gatekeep. If people play and enjoy themselves, that's all that matters.

It is an interesting word - gatekeeping, people really like to throw it around. I did not start this, mind you - I was talking about Citadel, and it's the person after which turned it personal.

Are you going to argue that unpainted army is as good as painted one, i.e. brings one same amount of joy? Because it is objectively false.

 Shadenuat wrote:
It is an interesting word - gatekeeping, people really like to throw it around. I did not start this, mind you - I was talking about Citadel, and it's the person after which turned it personal.

Are you going to argue that unpainted army is as good as painted one, i.e. brings one same amount of joy? Because it is objectively false.

It's interesting how people use "objectively" continually without knowing what it means. But yes it does bring joy, for both sides. I never go to the table without a fully painted and based collection. But i'd never turn down a game against unpainted because i'd lose out with a fun game against an opponent. It's that simple really.

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Anybody else mentally queuing up potential projects and uses for these paints? I'm up to four with just the blacks and greys already

Space Marines (assorted chapters)
Orks (40k)
Orks (Generic fantasy)
Death Guard
Sisters of Battle (when available)
plus any and all scenery and just about all basing.

I suspect a lot of my paints will now be relegated to fine edges and spot details.

For continuity, the Conquest mag Primaris and Death Guard will continue with my current methods.

Upcoming Sisters and the Anvil Gothic Nuns may see me dabbling with the new paints.

Additionally, having seen the Skitarii transport, I may have to try out a Start Collecting box for some Vanguard Skitarii.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's interesting how people use "objectively" continually without knowing what it means. But yes it does bring joy, for both sides. I never go to the table without a fully painted and based collection. But i'd never turn down a game against unpainted because i'd lose out with a fun game against an opponent. It's that simple really.

Why do you bother painting yours though, if fun is all what matters and playing with unpainted army is just as valid?

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's interesting how people use "objectively" continually without knowing what it means. But yes it does bring joy, for both sides. I never go to the table without a fully painted and based collection. But i'd never turn down a game against unpainted because i'd lose out with a fun game against an opponent. It's that simple really.

Why do you bother painting yours though, if fun is all what matters and playing with unpainted army is just as valid?

Because I enjoy it. I find painting relaxing, but I don't consider it a necessity. As stated earlier in the thread, other people hate it. I don't expect other people to force themselves to do something if they don't enjoy it. But to keep this on track, I won't be using these paints initially, as all my current projects are between 30 and 75% completed currently and there's no point trying to recreate with these new ones. However when I start a new project, I think i'll pick these up and have some fun experimenting with the colours.