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I checked, it's Paul Norton's Iron Ravens from WD July 2018. Good stuff*.


*Even though he never responded when my Ex asked him how he did the Knights Excelsior in the WD battle damage article, so my Sigmarines are still unpainted D:

Dark Angels Green!

It's funny that they used that name, since I've been meaning to post how the painting technique I used for my Tyranids years ago gave basically identical results to Contrast paints. I carefully thinned old DA Green (from the screw-top pots) to a specific consistency and used it over a very clean white undercoat. Then I added some layered highlights, and boom. Old pic:



I'm interested to try the DA Green contrast paint and see how it compares color-wise. From the pic, I suspect it's a little bluer than the old DA Green, like current Caliban Green. Ork Flesh might be nearer the mark. I could try mixing them too. But then it's not like I've painted any bugs in the last few years, or intend to anytime soon.

Still, I can see how these paints could be useful for army painting projects, given the right kinds of surfaces. And adding highlights, etc. should give results better than beginner's work.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:
The seem to have misspelled Kantor Blue as Leviadon Blue Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.

There is already a Kantor Blue. They had to come up with something different. Crimson Fists Blue would likely have caused confusion. Why they didn't do Cortez Blue is beyond me though.

Isn't one of the Idoneth creatures called a Leviadon?

There is. And the official model is painted orange/red. Hence why the color name makes absolutely no sense. They might as well have Blood Angels Green at that point.

The "Leviadon Blue" likely refers to this:


The preorder art cards and the book both feature this art, which has the fleshy bits as blue.

It's like how there's an "Akhelian Green" which seems to be referring to the tinting that the riders seem to get for their armor.

But that image is not blue... the carapace is orange and the skin is something like reddish brown. The only blue is the water effect in the tail and the chains.

A History of Citadel Paint on Warhammer Community.


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Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Paint range changes from Faeit 212 via Reclusiarch Krieg on B&C

Contrast Paints are 18ml

Citadel Air all switch to 24 ml, 12ml bottles discontinued - no colours discontinued
Citadel Edge become Layer paints, - no colours discontinued
Ardcoat and Lahmian Medium switch to 24 ml - 12ml discontinued
Texture Paints switch to Technical. The ones that had 24 ml variants remain, those that were 12 ml exclusively (Lustrian Undergrowth, Mourn Mountain Snow, Blackfire Earth) are discontinued.
Caliban Spray, Stormvermin Fur, The Fang & Averland Sunset sprays discontinued
All four glaze paints are discontinued.
Ceramite White discontinued

Added to range

Base Paints - 12ml

Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer

Layer Paints - 12ml

KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh

Air Paints - 24 ml
ANGRON RED CLEAR
CALTH BLUE CLEAR
DEATHSHROUD CLEAR
EIDOLON PRPLE CLR
MORTARION GREEN
PHOENICIAN PURPLE
PYROCLAST ORANGE
SIGISMUND YELLOW
Night Lords Blue
Death Korps Drab
Vulkan Green
Corvus Black
Chemos Purple
Typhon Ash
Sons of Horus Green
Phalanx Yellow
Kakophoni Purple
Nocturne Green
Lupercal Green
Gal Vorbak Red
Word Bearers Red
Castellax Bronze
Valdor Gold
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Thallax Gold

We've also seen mention of the Forge World paints in the Forge World thread.

 Ghaz wrote:
A History of Citadel Paint on Warhammer Community.

Haha, Revisionist History of Citadel Paint more like, note how they skip right past that godawful hex-pot era.

Interesting that they note how popular Charadon Granite is even today. They could do with bringing that one back.

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

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Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Spoiler:

Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Spoiler:

Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).

Yeah, like I said, I'm not surprised you can shoot it straight. You can with the Army Painter shades, too, which seem to be pretty close in viscosity from the little I've seen. But again, unless you want to get a "candy" coat from them, there isn't much reason to do so, since you don't get the other benefits the Contrast paints are designed to give you.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Spoiler:

Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).

Not what Valander is saying.
Yes you can airbrush Contract paint, its thin enough.
But doing so removes the entire point of Contrast, since the thin coat of an airbrush won't let it pool in recesses.
Your just applying what is essentially a transparent ink.

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Spoiler:

Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).

Yeah, like I said, I'm not surprised you can shoot it straight. You can with the Army Painter shades, too, which seem to be pretty close in viscosity from the little I've seen. But again, unless you want to get a "candy" coat from them, there isn't much reason to do so, since you don't get the other benefits the Contrast paints are designed to give you.

And metallic non-metallics isn't good enough reason? Vallejo transparent colours are also used in various ways. Paints in general are used in various ways. What does it matter is colour used in original use if result is what painter looks for?

tneva82 wrote:

And metallic non-metallics isn't good enough reason? Vallejo transparent colours are also used in various ways. Paints in general are used in various ways. What does it matter is colour used in original use if result is what painter looks for?

Nothing wrong with that, really. Just saying that since you'd be losing a lot of the "special" properties, there are other (probably cheaper) ways to get transparent coats through the airbrush, and that the Contrast paints may not be the best target for airbrushing.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Of course, if a non-standard use of something gives you a result you like, go for it. The Painting Police are not going to storm your house.

Edit: And note I even did initially give an "unless you want..." clause, too. So it's not like I'm saying "If you ever use Contrast in an airbrush you're an idiot."

 Ordana wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Valander wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

Spoiler:

Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.

He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).

Not what Valander is saying.
Yes you can airbrush Contract paint, its thin enough.
But doing so removes the entire point of Contrast, since the thin coat of an airbrush won't let it pool in recesses.
Your just applying what is essentially a transparent ink.

And some people may find that the Contrast paints can be airbrushed and don't need to be thinned a plus and prefer them to GW's standard airbrush paints. More options is always a good thing and it will be up to them to make that decision.

Should people rush out and buy Contrast paints specifically to do airbrushing? Probably not.

Is it useful to know that Contrast paints can go through an airbrush and will give similar results to an ink or "candy coat" product, so that people who were planning to buy and use Contrast paints who also happen to own an airbrush can find additional uses for them? Pretty unequivocally.

Another odd thing to nitpick.

 DaveC wrote:
Paint range changes from Faeit 212 via Reclusiarch Krieg on B&C

Spoiler:

Contrast Paints are 18ml

Citadel Air all switch to 24 ml, 12ml bottles discontinued - no colours discontinued
Citadel Edge become Layer paints, - no colours discontinued
Ardcoat and Lahmian Medium switch to 24 ml - 12ml discontinued
Texture Paints switch to Technical. The ones that had 24 ml variants remain, those that were 12 ml exclusively (Lustrian Undergrowth, Mourn Mountain Snow, Blackfire Earth) are discontinued.
Caliban Spray, Stormvermin Fur, The Fang & Averland Sunset sprays discontinued
All four glaze paints are discontinued.
Ceramite White discontinued

Added to range

Base Paints - 12ml

Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer

Layer Paints - 12ml

KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh

Air Paints - 24 ml
ANGRON RED CLEAR
CALTH BLUE CLEAR
DEATHSHROUD CLEAR
EIDOLON PRPLE CLR
MORTARION GREEN
PHOENICIAN PURPLE
PYROCLAST ORANGE
SIGISMUND YELLOW
Night Lords Blue
Death Korps Drab
Vulkan Green
Corvus Black
Chemos Purple
Typhon Ash
Sons of Horus Green
Phalanx Yellow
Kakophoni Purple
Nocturne Green
Lupercal Green
Gal Vorbak Red
Word Bearers Red
Castellax Bronze
Valdor Gold
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Thallax Gold

I can dig these changes. Lots of new paints, and the only things we're losing are a crappy white and a few texture paints? Not bad at all.

I think you folks care a bit too much about the names of the paint. I mean, they can’t all be light, mid-light, medium, med-dark, dark, super-dark *colour*.

I think you can tell what colour it is when you look at it. The name’s just there to let other people know what you want when you ask for mid-light Grey.

 DaveC wrote:

Added to range

Spoiler:

Base Paints - 12ml

Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer

Layer Paints - 12ml

KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh

So am I right in thinking a lot of these are the FW paints resurrected as "regular" GW base and layer paints? Even without Contrast this seems like a massive addition to the range.

 Ghaz wrote:
A History of Citadel Paint on Warhammer Community.


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Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...

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Something interesting to note, is that the largest issue with these paints is the "blotchiness" you get with it on large flat surfaces like on tanks. I imagine you could spray the model with the contrast paint, then then once it's dried go over it ageist with the same colour with a brush just in the areas where you want the effect.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I think you folks care a bit too much about the names of the paint.

I think people were just discussing something that seemed a little odd, but isn't actually a particularly big deal...

 insaniak wrote:

Well, to be fair, it's not quite as bad as XV-88, since it does at least tell us that it's some sort of blue. But since we've never seen a blue Leviadon, we have no way to know what sort of blue 'Leviadon Blue' might be.

But of course we do!

It's the colour achieved with that particular paint! Now I know the specific shade of blue that I'm allowed to paint my Leviadons in!

Another Contrast video from Pete the Wargamer applying the paints over a metallic base:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
That's not the point, though. The point is that they've named a colour after a creature that they haven't shown to actually be that colour.

Should they name it 'Name to be decided at a later date' Blue since it's a new paint and hasn't been used on a model yet?

Or they could name it you know by unit traditionally blue of that shade. Weird thought that.

Well, we know why they don't do that - trademark protection. Because inside 6 months, Vallejo and (especially) Army Painter will have their own "contrast paint" knock-offs that will probably work just as well (in most cases) with (potentially) more paint included for less moneys.

Of course, the extreme leads to one of my (genuinely) very favourite paints with the absolute worst name - XV-88. I preferred when it was called Snakebite Leather, but still happily use it, alongside Vallejo's "Leather Brown".


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Yeah, I get insaniak and casvalremdeikun's points. Leviadons have not been shown as blue in the examples presented in GW's own studio army, so it's odd to name a shade of blue after them. It does make about as much sense as a colour named Blood Angels Green or Ultramarines Brown.

Their belt pouches?


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 Binabik15 wrote:
I checked, it's Paul Norton's Iron Ravens from WD July 2018. Good stuff*.
*Even though he never responded when my Ex asked him how he did the Knights Excelsior in the WD battle damage article, so my Sigmarines are still unpainted D:

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Thank you - will look them up when I get home.


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 Ghaz wrote:
Another Contrast video from Pete the Wargamer applying the paints over a metallic base:

Thanks for posting that - I'm even more excited about getting hold of these to play with now.

The return of Forgeworld paints without having to order from fething Forgeworld is great news.

Contrast is £5 a pot according to a local FLGS.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Contrast is £5 a pot according to a local FLGS.

If that is true, it's daylight robbery . For a pot size between layer paints and shades, it would be reasonable to expect price tag that is also between them.

jullevi wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Contrast is £5 a pot according to a local FLGS.

If that is true, it's daylight robbery . For a pot size between layer paints and shades, it would be reasonable to expect price tag that is also between them.

They're £4.75, same size and price as the shades. So about £4 at most third party stores after discount.

But they are not the same size. Layers are 12ml, Shades 24ml, whilst these sit in the middle at 18ml.

UltraPrime wrote:
But they are not the same size. Layers are 12ml, Shades 24ml, whilst these sit in the middle at 18ml.

And this is GW... I think actually anticipating they would cost less then the large pots would be against all that is GW.