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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
What set is that one base from now that they have used a couple dozen of them

It's a model that they gave away with the initial preorders and it came with a magazine that was like $6 or so as well.

it's this one

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/getting-started-with-40k-2017-ENG



I assume they were sent a load to use the Marine as a test piece and had the bases left over.

After messing around with the paints since Saturday I'm going to be sticking to the "old" method when it comes to armour. Even on infantry I'm not keen on the effect. But for anything organic like flesh, cloth and fur? Contrast really is magic in a bottle

For those wanting to use the Contrast paints on something a bit smaller...

Yeah, this video makes detractors look really bad. Painting massed small minis with normal paints to similar tabletop standard would be insane and certainly wouldn't take a minute per model like it did here. Ditto with trying to paint with washes, effect would be much worse and coverage nowhere near as good. The white, bleached patches washes left on that small test model a few pages back would look downright ugly on small human troopers. Could you use both to match contrast? Maybe, but I can't see it taking less than half an hour instead of minute and correcting errors (which never happen in such small scale, eh?) would be a nightmare in comparison, sooo...

About the only complaint I have about Contrast at this point is that the paint gets used up really fast. Those thick coats take a toll.

Contrast paint is perfect for smaller scale stuff. Just think about all the models from warhammer that it looks best on. One with areas with loads of texture. A smaller scale model is going to have smaller spaces without texture. I have two epic armies to paint up and I'm definitely grabbing the main colour for each one in contrast.

My Joan of Arc pledge arrived yesterday so will definitely be using contrast with them.

Tried out some Terradon Turquoise on the turbans of my Tallarn Guardsmen. Might be of interest for other Tallarn players:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-124276-61347_Tallarn%20Turbans%20%2B%20Contrast%20Paint.html

I applied it on Corax White and on an already painted turban with my usual colour scheme of Ceramite White + Seraphim Sepia + Terminatus Stone. The later came out a bit more on the green side, but I'm quite satisfied with both results.
I will try out Nazdreg Yellow on their shirts next.

So far I think I will stay with the usual combination of base+shade+layer, but I think the contrast paints are a nice addition. And I especially hope the Nazdreg Yellow will help me get a more satisfying result on the Guardsmen Shirts, where i always struggle to get shading and highlighting right.

 DaveC wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
What set is that one base from now that they have used a couple dozen of them

It's a model that they gave away with the initial preorders and it came with a magazine that was like $6 or so as well.

it's this one

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/getting-started-with-40k-2017-ENG



I assume they were sent a load to use the Marine as a test piece and had the bases left over.

Thats quite a nice miniature that one...might get him and when the Iyanden Yellow is back in stock, paint him as an Imperial Fist. Love the base.

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Chelmsford have extended their test charts again

https://www.facebook.com/114382948639697/posts/2316474758430494?s=538175713&sfns=mo

Spoiler:

 warboss wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Chelmsford have extended their test charts again

https://www.facebook.com/114382948639697/posts/2316474758430494?s=538175713&sfns=mo

Spoiler:

I have to say that I'm surprised how little of the metallic tones show through the contrast colors. I was hoping for an almost metallic metal look but only slightly more muted than if you used an actual metallic brush on paint. Thanks for posting more of the comparison shots.

It could be their technique. As a Contrast paint, you want 'one thick coat' as they like to say. For tinting a metallic undercoat you'd want a thinner coat applied as you would a traditional paint like in this tutorial...

 Ghaz wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Chelmsford have extended their test charts again

https://www.facebook.com/114382948639697/posts/2316474758430494?s=538175713&sfns=mo

Spoiler:

I have to say that I'm surprised how little of the metallic tones show through the contrast colors. I was hoping for an almost metallic metal look but only slightly more muted than if you used an actual metallic brush on paint. Thanks for posting more of the comparison shots.

It could be their technique. As a Contrast paint, you want 'one thick coat' as they like to say. For tinting a metallic undercoat you'd want a thinner coat applied as you would a traditional paint like in this tutorial...

Spoiler:

Yes. I haven't tried Contrast on metallics yet, but you should probably think of it as the base layer tinting the Contrast paint and not the other way around. As such you want to limit how much pigment you put on so as not to obscure the base layer. Contrast is pretty intense.

I have tried tinting Leadbelcher with both Snakebite Leather and Aggaros Dunes with good results. Personally though I
sat there thinking why not just paint the sections with the appropriate paints? It wouldn't have taken much more time.

I think Contrast for me works better when doing things as simply as possible therefore saving the maximum amount of time and still heeding (if you have good brush control) nice enough results.

 PurpleEcho wrote:
I have tried tinting Leadbelcher with both Snakebite Leather and Aggaros Dunes with good results. Personally though I
sat there thinking why not just paint the sections with the appropriate paints? It wouldn't have taken much more time.

I think Contrast for me works better when doing things as simply as possible therefore saving the maximum amount of time and still heeding (if you have good brush control) nice enough results.

In theory, because you could buy just one metallic colour(bright silver) and do any colour of metallic that way by applying a Contrast to it? IDK outside of using Talassar on a bright gold for Alpha Legion, I'll be sticking with the Darkstar Molten Metals range.

Working on my Gloomspite Gitz, used alternative sprays as GW's were sold out.

Very good results with Zenital highlights. The contrast does spread a lot when you put it on so control is an issue. I spent a lot of time going back over and tidying up. I did get gray seer and wraithbone in the bottles though. My alternative primers were not identical to grey seer but still had great results.

With all this talk about primers and such. Any flat or matte paint can work as a primer. I hate when people ask if certain things are primers. The surface of the model has the most to do with whether paint will stick. Spray flat paints stick to pretty much anything.

Contrast is an opague style paint so as long as you don't use anything too dark as the base then you won't have an issue. If you use something with color, just like any other opague style paint it can distort the color, which could be a desired or undesired effect.

Haven't tried them yet, but noticed that Vallejo has a new line "Mecha" paints that main element is they are more satin in their finish. Since that was one of the key element of the can primers, might be worth trying. Will see how it goes if I can ever get off my butt and break out the airbrush.

 Dark Severance wrote:
Although you can airbrush contrast paints, as we've seen, it defeats the whole purpose of the contrast paints. At that point you might as well just airbrush air paints or other paints.

Not neccessarily. Effect seems to be bit different compared to regular paint with more of undercoat visible.

I'm not sure if I'll be using many of the Contrast paints, as in some cases results seem inconsistent. The black also seems to be clogging up fast, which is... not ideal.

OTOH, this face took me about 10-15 seconds:



Could I have done that myself? Yeah, sure. Would it have taken 10 seconds? I fething wish.

So at the very least, I can see myself using asiduously some of the new paints.

Oh nice! Which contrast paint is that?

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Oh nice! Which contrast paint is that?

Guilliman Flesh.

Awesome - thanks! Perfect for my own GSC

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, this video makes detractors look really bad. Painting massed small minis with normal paints to similar tabletop standard would be insane and certainly wouldn't take a minute per model like it did here.

As a "detractor", I don't know what to tell you. I'm not agreeing with the happy consensus out of some misguided corporate loyalty or because I think GW are scum. I've always maintained their paint lines have been of a consistently high quality. I took my time trying out Contrast paints, and my experiences were overhwelmingly negative. I had constant issues with brush control and was not able to achieve neat transitions or sharp edges to colored areas (which are vital for the paint schemes for all my armies). As someone who paints only occasionally and whose unfinished work therefore often has to wait several years to get varnished, the poor durability of the Contrast layer was the real dealbreaker for me, together with the seeming impossibility of touch-ups or corrections with the technique.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, this video makes detractors look really bad. Painting massed small minis with normal paints to similar tabletop standard would be insane and certainly wouldn't take a minute per model like it did here.

As a "detractor", I don't know what to tell you. I'm not agreeing with the happy consensus out of some misguided corporate loyalty or because I think GW are scum. I've always maintained their paint lines have been of a consistently high quality. I took my time trying out Contrast paints, and my experiences were overhwelmingly negative. I had constant issues with brush control and was not able to achieve neat transitions or sharp edges to colored areas (which are vital for the paint schemes for all my armies). As someone who paints only occasionally and whose unfinished work therefore often has to wait several years to get varnished, the poor durability of the Contrast layer was the real dealbreaker for me, together with the seeming impossibility of touch-ups or corrections with the technique.

Durability seems to me lower than other acrylic paint, but otherwise behaving just like it. Relatively easy to damage in the first hours after application but reasonably solid after a day.

I took a knife to a surface painted with Contrast to wipe away some excess paint and it didn't harm it in any way. That was on the next day after the paint had ample time to set.

I varnish habitually and would definitely advise varnishing if you intend to handle the models. If you just shelf them for further painting later, from my limited experience I don't think I'd worry about the paint coming off in the meantime.

After playing with them over the weekend, I'm slightly positive about them.

On the whole I'm not hugely enamored of the results when used on an entire model. While I'm sure said results will improve with practice (as all things do), the paints seem to be a bit finicky in application. As mentioned, this is compounded when correction for a stray brush stroke becomes a process of re-applying the base paint versus a small-touch up of the original color with traditional paints; it's like messing up a dry-brushed area really. The rate of consumption of the paint, as also noted by others, also seems like it will be prodigious over the course of a good-sized project (which I'm sure GW does not consider a problem). They also do appear to be a bit fragile, though I'm still at the stage where "rubbed off" versus "just didn't paint" is still a bit nebulous.

On the flip-side, I was able to paint a Glade Guard in under an hour with around seven different colors. It won't win best painted laurels in any competition, but it does look infinitely better than grey plastic. There are certain colors in the range that appear to be absolutely fantastic, and others that are just a let-down in comparison. Snakebite leather is great, Gulliman Flesh is certainly workable and the "rich" colors of blue, red, green will certainly find their roles in particular processes.

Overall they're a nice addition to the toolkit, and I think most of the colors I picked up will get worked into various roles as a faster way of getting an effect. I do think those little tweaks to processes are really going to be their strength though more than the mass-painting armies.

Had what I think is a pretty decent result with these paints over the weekend.



It's less than an hour of total work, which I'm pretty happy with.

That sure is!

Looks great - and getting painted models on the table painted to that standard using the new Contrast paints is exactly what I'm after!

I'm working my way through a Blood Warrior using only contrast paints. So far I've used Flesh Tearer Red, Black Templar, Basilicanum Grey and Aggaros Dunes all over primed Grey Seer and I think the results are pretty good. I actually feared how robust the paint would be after application after hearing stories of it rubbing off however I've not experienced this at all. I've even gone as far as rubbing the painted areas with my thumb and using water to clear away a stray bit of wet Grey Seer and I've had none of the Contrast paint come away from the surface.

My one issue with them is with the initial reason they were invented. How much real world time will they save me? For the time saved in applying the contrast paints because of the very nature of the paint you often have to go back to retouch over areas with the original basecoat and this just results in a feeling of "Is this saving me a huge chunk of time?" I mean sure you could slap contrast on and not care about the areas you've hit with the wrong colours but I think for a lot of painters novice or not that does matter.

I don't think GW have reinvented the wheel here I think they've just brought out another product that will have some uses. For painters who struggle when thinning their paints down and applying shades then Contrast paints will be of use. I'd personally recommend just getting that little bit of practice in to perfect those two areas.

Contrast paints though are enjoyable to use and this may be down to the fact you see visually impressive results a bit sooner in the process whereas with the traditional method it might take that bit longer to see everything pull together.

I'm a bit miffed that a lot of the Contrast is still sold out on the GW site, was hoping to make use of their paint bundle deal before it ends, but alas.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm a bit miffed that a lot of the Contrast is still sold out on the GW site, was hoping to make use of their paint bundle deal before it ends, but alas.

Yeah... After 19 of 36 paints were not available online on the first day of online pre-order sales, I decided that it would be better to show up at a GW store if I wanted to actually get the colors I wanted, which did actually work...

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 BrookM wrote:
I'm a bit miffed that a lot of the Contrast is still sold out on the GW site, was hoping to make use of their paint bundle deal before it ends, but alas.

You could email GW to ask them if its possible to extend the cut off date for the bundle deal. If they get enough customers saying "hey, I ordered on day one and didn't have a chance", then they might do that.

Personally, I'm still waiting on the preorder for an Iyanden Yellow with Wayland, which hasn't come in stock yet. I have noticed the Iyanden Yellow has gone out of stock on the GW site today so I guess its just bad luck.