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pm713 wrote:

 D6Damager wrote:
I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.

There's ignoring logic for coolness and something being stupid. The transport is the latter.

Is it though?

We don't know what the vehicle actually uses, if it's anti-grav or hovercraft or whatever.

We just know the inspirations behind it:
-Higgins Boat.
-LVT "Amtank" variants(turret placement).
-Hovercraft's "skirts".

I don't hear you people flipping out over the Land Speeder being stupid, despite it having armored grav plates--which is what this thing looks to have--and a steering vane that hangs down from the hull.

If this thing isn't supposed to be flying high(remembering that most things that are classified as Skimmers can actually operate fairly high up), I see no problem with the steering vanes being mounted where they are.

I doubt this is a conventional hovercraft with a plenum chamber using air pressure to provide lift. My guess it would be a grav lift system or better yet (or worse do to dubious science) ride on some electro magnetic field.

Hovercraft have been used in combat operations since the Vietnam War.

The Plenum chamber is actually a rather decent tool as it can take significant damage before failure and then can be field repaired quickly in many cases.

I once considered a MOS switch to hovercraft pilot, and spent some time on the phone with folks who used them in the field. Fascinating craft.

Missiles in the front a problem? Maybe not. Efficient? Probably not but it's too easy to fix with basic hand waves such as being launched free of the hull with compressed air. Personally I would have stuck with the concept nose, or if committed to a missile nose would have opted for a vertical or at least slanted system. I do however understand the aesthetic choices of weapons pointing towards the enemy.


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All I can imagine is if this thing floats by a guardsman his or her hair should stand on end and pass with the smell of burnt ozone.

Missiles firing from within enclosed spaces is hardly unusual- whilst man-portable missile systems typically have a huge backblast to minimise recoil (some systems excepted, like the Javelin), Soviet and Russian tank designs make extensive use of guided missiles fired from the tank's main gun- a weapon pointing directly out of the turret. If the breech is sufficiently sealed, missiles can be happily fired from within enclosed spaces, they just operate more akin to a gun. The nose missiles in the Mechanicus skimmer will simply have more recoil than a similar system mounted on the exterior.

In the article preview on Warhammer Community they had a line mentioning this:

Goodbye wheels, hello barely understood, deadly technology from the Age of Darkness.

So it's probably antigrav but may be different too, who knows ?

Just show us the preview already GW I thought we'd have it this week, as well as the Chaos Knights.

 Aaranis wrote:
In the article preview on Warhammer Community they had a line mentioning this:

Goodbye wheels, hello barely understood, deadly technology from the Age of Darkness.

So it's probably antigrav but may be different too, who knows ?

Just show us the preview already GW I thought we'd have it this week, as well as the Chaos Knights.

You won't have a preview until it goes on pre-order sometime in the next three months or so.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
In the article preview on Warhammer Community they had a line mentioning this:

Goodbye wheels, hello barely understood, deadly technology from the Age of Darkness.

So it's probably antigrav but may be different too, who knows ?

Just show us the preview already GW I thought we'd have it this week, as well as the Chaos Knights.

You won't have a preview until it goes on pre-order sometime in the next three months or so.

What's the basis for saying it will be a three months window ? I've been told this earlier and it's frankly disheartening to be shown something so awesome and not be able to play it. Was there earlier releases that took that much time to be available ?

Kill Team Rogue Trader comes to mind, which was 6+ months IIRC.

 BrookM wrote:
Kill Team Rogue Trader comes to mind, which was 6+ months IIRC.

Yeah, when stuff gets leaked waaaaaaaay in advance it's an issue. Thousand Sons had that problem with regards to Magnus, and I thought Rogue Trader had a leak with that kind of timeframe as well?

There's also the fact that people still don't seem to understand that previews from trade shows like Gama or New York Toy Fair are for vendors/distributors, not really for customers.

I don't really see the point, if they're fully producted it's just money sitting in a hangar while it's not on sale. Now I feel like right before 8th started, where I didn't even want to play a 7th game because I knew so much better was coming soon. I have no desire to write lists or play knowing the Skorpius exists and will radically change my playstyle and enhance the fun of my games.

 Aaranis wrote:
I don't really see the point, if they're fully producted it's just money sitting in a hangar while it's not on sale. Now I feel like right before 8th started, where I didn't even want to play a 7th game because I knew so much better was coming soon. I have no desire to write lists or play knowing the Skorpius exists and will radically change my playstyle and enhance the fun of my games.

They're likely not "fully produced". They're likely building up stock levels or any number of potential logistical things that they wanted to have done before releasing it.

Hell for all we know it's part of an AdMech Redux book that has been delayed because they're waiting on the books.

 Aaranis wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
In the article preview on Warhammer Community they had a line mentioning this:

Goodbye wheels, hello barely understood, deadly technology from the Age of Darkness.

So it's probably antigrav but may be different too, who knows ?

Just show us the preview already GW I thought we'd have it this week, as well as the Chaos Knights.

You won't have a preview until it goes on pre-order sometime in the next three months or so.

What's the basis for saying it will be a three months window ? I've been told this earlier and it's frankly disheartening to be shown something so awesome and not be able to play it. Was there earlier releases that took that much time to be available ?

Generally, the stuff they show at these events is stuff that will come out within 3 months.

 Aaranis wrote:
I don't really see the point, if they're fully producted it's just money sitting in a hangar while it's not on sale. Now I feel like right before 8th started, where I didn't even want to play a 7th game because I knew so much better was coming soon. I have no desire to write lists or play knowing the Skorpius exists and will radically change my playstyle and enhance the fun of my games.

I think they need to plan stock levels and fit in with the release schedules. Storing finished product is a lot more expensive than storing the sprue moulds and data for the packaging designs etc. GW will try to build up stock just in time for the planned release date, to ensure adequate stock to cover expected demand.

 Aaranis wrote:
I don't really see the point, if they're fully producted it's just money sitting in a hangar while it's not on sale. Now I feel like right before 8th started, where I didn't even want to play a 7th game because I knew so much better was coming soon. I have no desire to write lists or play knowing the Skorpius exists and will radically change my playstyle and enhance the fun of my games.

If they worked like that, they’d just release a whole load of stuff in one go, and then have nothing for ages.

Yeah you're right. I'm just blinded by hype, forgive me

Kanluwen

pm713 wrote:

D6Damager wrote:
I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.


There's ignoring logic for coolness and something being stupid. The transport is the latter.


Is it though?

We don't know what the vehicle actually uses, if it's anti-grav or hovercraft or whatever.

We just know the inspirations behind it:
-Higgins Boat.
-LVT "Amtank" variants(turret placement).
-Hovercraft's "skirts".

I don't hear you people flipping out over the Land Speeder being stupid, despite it having armored grav plates--which is what this thing looks to have--and a steering vane that hangs down from the hull.

If this thing isn't supposed to be flying high(remembering that most things that are classified as Skimmers can actually operate fairly high up), I see no problem with the steering vanes being mounted where they are.

Even in science fiction, if something walks and talks like a duck. It's a duck.
It''s got a big rubber belly and is pushed by those fans at the back, in the same way a leman russ has an engine, presumably drive wheels, road wheels(behind those skirts WW1 style) and tracks like a conventional tank. The Russ is a conventional tank. This is a conventional hovercraft. I can see it employing anti-grav tech because hovercrafts are really not ideal in a lot of places but that makes it a hybrid, with one side not holding any advantages.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Probably because the first word is science not fiction.

Maybe that's why things like the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction exist, because saying that is not enough.

 D6Damager wrote:
I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.

Because suspension of disbelief is broken when simple elements of even fantastical tales fail to make sense.

 OldMate wrote:

Even in science fiction, if something walks and talks like a duck. It's a duck.
It''s got a big rubber belly and is pushed by those fans at the back, in the same way a leman russ has an engine, presumably drive wheels, road wheels(behind those skirts WW1 style) and tracks like a conventional tank. The Russ is a conventional tank. This is a conventional hovercraft. I can see it employing anti-grav tech because hovercrafts are really not ideal in a lot of places but that makes it a hybrid, with one side not holding any advantages.

I'd say it's literally this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerverse#Technology

In looks at least.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 D6Damager wrote:
I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.

Because suspension of disbelief is broken when simple elements of even fantastical tales fail to make sense.

Because there's nothing of that already in 40k, of course ^^

Take it to a topic of its own please.

edit: ah nevermind

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 D6Damager wrote:
I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.

Because suspension of disbelief is broken when simple elements of even fantastical tales fail to make sense.

you're fine with a universe including chainswords, WW1 tanks, but your limit is at a LST?

ooook.

I don't understand why everyone is assuming its going to be a conventional hover craft. Its more likely going to be anti-grav, as that appears to be the direction the Imperium is going.

The new named Iron Father was said to be released "later this year". Perhaps they plan a big thematic campaign that start with ad-mech+ironhands teamup against lord Discordant and new knights (and the campaign end with new Noise Marines, right? right!).
A qualified wishlist

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't understand why everyone is assuming its going to be a conventional hover craft. Its more likely going to be anti-grav, as that appears to be the direction the Imperium is going.

It doesn't have any of the typical anti-grav tech that say the new Primaris or the old Land Speeder has. Also the base is black and looks like the segmented flaps that hovercraft have. They should have added those anti-grav pieces around the side and given it a base imho.

So? The designer decided to do something a little different.
I mean, it would be pretty absurd if the Ad Mech used 21st century hover tech on their tanks when its been established that they have access to grav-tech. What next, a space blimp?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So? The designer decided to do something a little different. I mean, it would be pretty absurd if the Ad Mech used 21st century hover tech on their tanks. What next, a space blimp?

To be honest, I think a space blimp gunship would be pretty 40k You are just giving them ideas for the Ad Mech flyer!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So? The designer decided to do something a little different.
I mean, it would be pretty absurd if the Ad Mech used 21st century hover tech on their tanks. What next, a space blimp?

It also has fans and fins at the back.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What next, a space blimp?

PLEASE SWEET OMNISSIAH YES!

Ok yeah, an Ad Mech space blimp would probably work.


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 Gael Knight wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So? The designer decided to do something a little different.
I mean, it would be pretty absurd if the Ad Mech used 21st century hover tech on their tanks. What next, a space blimp?

It also has fans and fins at the back.

Huh, so it does. Might not be for propulsion though, could be for cooling. Or maybe its for both.
The fins are odd though. Maybe it uses a type of anti-grav, where it uses fins to steer?

Actually, how well does anti-grav work on sands? Maybe the name is a hint onto how it works. Dunerider - implies it's used in the desert.
Maybe anti-grav is a little wonky on sand, so they use fins to steer?

Or maybe it is a hovercraft. After thinking about it, it won't be entirely ridiculous thematically speaking, considering how they used hovercrafts in Hammerverse, a late 70s series of books, and Ad Mech have bit of a 50s-70s sci fi theme going for them.
So it could be a type of anti-grav, that's inspired by Hammerverse hovertech, or it could just be flat out hammerverse hovertech.

The base of the hull looks more like some sort of anti-grav to me, rather than a rubber hovercraft skirt, looks to have sharp square edges in places. Also wasn't there some mention of it being something from the dark age of technology? No reason not to mix anti-grav and fans, the anti-grav system may just be enable it to float, without directional control, and then they just blow it about with the fans and fins.

Tavis75 wrote:
The base of the hull looks more like some sort of anti-grav to me, rather than a rubber hovercraft skirt, looks to have sharp square edges in places. Also wasn't there some mention of it being something from the dark age of technology? No reason not to mix anti-grav and fans, the anti-grav system may just be enable it to float, without directional control, and then they just blow it about with the fans and fins.

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking, that the fans and rudders are just there to move the anti-grav. I'm not saying its certainly anti-grav, but there's a good chance that it is.
They don't say its from the Dark Age of technology though, they say its from the Age of Darkness. Which I suspect might actually be referring to before the Imperium, but idk. I have a feeling that its a tongue and cheek joke.

Now, if it were me, I would probably make it something completely mundane and ordinary, and make a huge fuss about it being a huge rediscovery that the Ad Mech are proud of because they found it referenced on some ancient dataslate dating from before the Dark Age of Technology, which to them must mean that its the greatest thing ever.
Its probably just going to be something we've already seen before though. Hence anti-grav, except designed to look different.