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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do people really expect prices of decades old kits for brand new product--especially when you have people already crapping on the new items before we even have full rules?

?? First off, this isn't the first price bloated model released, not even recently. The reality is there is no real reason for the bloat other than GWs off the hook greed. As was said but a post or so back, even other dual kits of similar type are a fair bit cheaper and those are dual kits that aren't decades old.

As for crapping on the new items, sure I said, multiple times now, the devils in the details as for their usability. However why wouldn't a company put their best foot forward and show you the good stuff first ? Why would they hide it and show lack luster things first ?

I mean its a fine kit, and might be useful for some set up of the tank version but the transport feels like an overly soft shell for a fat price. The marine tank being so much more expensive for no real reason is a bit of a wtf ? as well as that kit can't be considered old and dated yet.

I'll probably need to sit back and wait for the hover craft to come out bundled and cheaper as is I'd not spend that much cash on it, I can wait or never get it and use more cost effective allies.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

Only thing I dont like is that the dunerider can only carry 10, while being bigger than a Rhino and skitarii being smaller than Space Marines.

Tardis or Clown car syndrome is somthing that affects a lot of the older tank models unfortunatly.

I still think there should be a clown car Strat for Harlequins to double the transport capacity on one of their Starweavers

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/23/apocalypse-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicusgw-homepage-post-4/

The Energy cannon has 48" range in apocalypse hmm

 0XFallen wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/23/apocalypse-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicusgw-homepage-post-4/

The Energy cannon has 48" range in apocalypse hmm

It likely will have something to do with the "Barrage" rule on it.

Apocalypse Datasheet for the Skorpius Dunerider suggests that it can transport <Forge World> and Secutarii Infantry. No Cawl or Kataphron though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apocalypse Datasheet for the Skorpius Dunerider suggests that it can transport <Forge World> and Secutarii Infantry. No Cawl or Kataphron though.

Also, it has no open topped rule, Drukhari transports do, so I guess it won't in 40k

Cool, glad it has the low toughness of open topped without the benefits of shooting from it. I love when a plan comes together.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Cool, glad it has the low toughness of open topped without the benefits of shooting from it. I love when a plan comes together.

God's Plan starts playing.

Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all.

Funny that this thing hovers and yet doesn’t have the fly keyword. Just check the apoc data sheets.

Went from exciting gun platform to fairly mediocre.

Well it comes to the point cost.


Although there is enough merit in actually having a transport in the first place.

Fly doesn’t matter as much for the shooting version, but it definitely is a huge nerf to the transport.

 Kirasu wrote:
Funny that this thing hovers and yet doesn’t have the fly keyword. Just check the apoc data sheets.

Went from exciting gun platform to fairly mediocre.

I'm half expecting that to be an omission. I'm willing to get "fly" either gets added to the codex, or later in a FAQ. Although, if the transport is dirt cheap it still might be worth it.

On the plus side, if it stays as a no-fly transport, I can adapt my resin molds I made for a Rogue Trader style Rhino enlarged to current scale. Just lose the center hull and add a Higgins boat like section.

As far as points/power cost, the tank seems to be comparable to the dunecrawler in apoc at 8 power, with the transport at 7. Apoc powers don't really match up directly with the power levels in the codex, but if the correlation holds, I'd be okay with a tank in the 110-120 point range. It lacks the force field, but is double the speed and has a larger range of firepower. And it benefits from the various dogmas and likely canticles.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
As far as points/power cost, the tank seems to be comparable to the dunecrawler in apoc at 8 power, with the transport at 7. Apoc powers don't really match up directly with the power levels in the codex, but if the correlation holds, I'd be okay with a tank in the 110-120 point range. It lacks the force field, but is double the speed and has a larger range of firepower. And it benefits from the various dogmas and likely canticles.

120 points for a tank that can toss solid fire from outside LOS is pretty awesome

 Kirasu wrote:
Funny that this thing hovers and yet doesn’t have the fly keyword. Just check the apoc data sheets.

Went from exciting gun platform to fairly mediocre.

I mean, did we really expect it to fly?

It's a groundhugger. Fly implies just that--the item has the capability to move itself up and over things with no issue.

I'm kinda/sorta thinking if we see something relating to it being able to hover? It's going to be able to move over intervening units that don't have Fly without penalties.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Funny that this thing hovers and yet doesn’t have the fly keyword. Just check the apoc data sheets.

Went from exciting gun platform to fairly mediocre.

I mean, did we really expect it to fly?

It's a groundhugger. Fly implies just that--the item has the capability to move itself up and over things with no issue.

I'm kinda/sorta thinking if we see something relating to it being able to hover? It's going to be able to move over intervening units that don't have Fly without penalties.

It may just be the 12" movement and ability to move and fire heavy weapons at no penalty.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Funny that this thing hovers and yet doesn’t have the fly keyword. Just check the apoc data sheets.

Went from exciting gun platform to fairly mediocre.

I mean, did we really expect it to fly?

It's a groundhugger. Fly implies just that--the item has the capability to move itself up and over things with no issue.

I'm kinda/sorta thinking if we see something relating to it being able to hover? It's going to be able to move over intervening units that don't have Fly without penalties.

Yes, it's fairly reasonable to think that a unit with a rule referencing it "hovering" would mean the vehicle flies. Considering that, I think, everyt else in the game that hovers also has fly. It's not a far fetched idea.

But it is also not far fetched for a vehicle that more resembles real world hover tech, to have more modest rules. This thing looks like it fans to ground just skimming the surface, not like it could vault buildings and enemy models. The model doesn't have a flight stand either, not sure there is or has been a model with the fly keyword that lacks one.

Now, what is actually worth being salty over is if this thing does indeed lack the open topped rule. Considering it literally has no top and has the lower toughness of an open topped vehicle.

Gorgon Transporter is also not open-topped from what I've seen in Apoc as well. I wonder if the ramp is taken into consideration?

 Kirasu wrote:
Fly doesn’t matter as much for the shooting version, but it definitely is a huge nerf to the transport.

A nerf implies that the rules were originally written with 'Fly' included.

No, this is just player expectation being higher than reality. That's not really the fault of GW here. After all, it's based off of a hovercraft. You ever see a hovercraft take off and fly over tall buildings?

It's a transport. Admech players wanted a transport. They got a transport. Why aren't people happy?

Y'know what upsets me? Space Marine players that have shelved their Rhinos in favor of footslogging because a jump to 75-ish points from 35 was just too rich for most players' blood. But you don't hear them complaining any more.

drbored wrote:


It's a transport. Admech players wanted a transport. They got a transport. Why aren't people happy?

.

Admech players wanted transports. Forge World make beautiful Mechanicum transports. Games Workshop don’t give them 40k rules, totally abandon that established aesthetic and make the ugliest thing I’ve seen in years. That’s why I’m not happy. Can’t speak for anyone else of course.

Pre-order is up in NZ: Disintegrator and Dunerider and a 3-pack.

Sprues:

so just pre-ordered one - which will be built with the energy mortar. if the rules for the transport are any better than what we have seen I will probably purchase one/two more.

looking at the sprues, we will not be lacking if we want any stubbers in the future...

BoLS posted an Unboxing video:


Dunerider 65
Disintegrator 85

Belleros Energy Cannon 20
Ferrumite Cannon 25
Disruptor missile launcher 0

Transport clocks in at 73.
Tank comes in at 111 or 116.

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted an Unboxing video:

Spoiler:

Dunerider 65
Disintegrator 85

Belleros Energy Cannon 20
Ferrumite Cannon 25
Disruptor missile launcher 0

Transport clocks in at 73.
Tank comes in at 111 or 116.

Point costs are pretty solid. Glad to hear it.

the_Grak wrote:
Pre-order is up in NZ: Disintegrator and Dunerider and a 3-pack.

Spoiler:

Sprues:

Spoiler:

Oh nice, the front prow of the tank is all one piece. Glue the ramp to it's two supporting walls and that should be a very easy magnet job. Just make a couple of little wings off of the interior hull and the prow to clamp on to and then the top will probably just slot in with no magnets required.

I don't play 40k anymore, but still collect the models, I love the look of this one and was definitely going to buy one until I saw the price. It's a pity it's not the same price as the GSC multi-kit. Oh well, I guess it's not that surprising. Maybe some day....