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Plus people don't like saying really long names, and find ways to shorten them. Sometimes the signs never catch up with the new pronunciation...

Even the post can be prone to this- there is a place in Shropshire called Ratlinghope, pronounced Ratchup. Apparently this abbreviation comes from the Royal Mail!

 Haighus wrote:
Even the post can be prone to this- there is a place in Shropshire called Ratlinghope, pronounced Ratchup. Apparently this abbreviation comes from the Royal Mail!

That's kind of fascinating XD

Happisburgh in Norfolk is pronounced 'Haze-bruh'

 filbert wrote:
Happisburgh in Norfolk is pronounced 'Haze-bruh'

You say Happisburgh, but I hear Hasbro. I knew toy companies were insidious but I never realized they were invading England

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Reading isn't really a new town. It's actually over 1,000 years old.

It has a Victorian core which could be fabulous if used properly by pedestrianising it and making it a vibrant mix of retail, entertainment and residential flats above.

But in the 1970s they built a ghastly ring road which astonishingly manages to combine underpasses and overpasses in the space of a couple of miles and is still nearly always jammed with traffic.,

Next came a horrid shopping centre (The Broadway?) which squats like a cancerous toad as the west end of the Victorian town centre.

Then they built a load of cheaptastic edge of town retail and business parks to ensure lots and lots of traffic and the hollowing out of the real town centre. This process is still going on.

I'm not sure it is redeemable now.

Reading even has a canal through the middle and a river and lakes on the north edge.

Reading I always felt fell into that 'recently prosperous middling town' trap. Where there's been sufficient money around to see new architecture consistently thrown up en masse in each decade over the last fifty or sixty years; but only ever on a much smaller scale in preceding periods. The result is that there's a nice blend of building running from the fifties through to current times, but a real numeric paucity of older stuff in comparison as most of it is knocked down where possible and the town has expanded far beyond the original borders.

The end result is that you get the clone Shopping Centre moving in (the larger version of the clone high street) followed by retail parks on the edge of town, very mediocre eighties and nineties style office blocks all over the place, the odd manky tower, and plenty of shiny new glass and plastic stuff; but not much that's actually pretty or unique. Nothing that would draw you to the place other than the fact that it's larger than surrounding towns/villages.

Disclaimer:- I've only ever wandered around the town twice in my life and otherwise looked at it when changing trains. So if there's loads of stuff out of town, I wouldn't know.

 Ketara wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Reading isn't really a new town. It's actually over 1,000 years old.

It has a Victorian core which could be fabulous if used properly by pedestrianising it and making it a vibrant mix of retail, entertainment and residential flats above.

But in the 1970s they built a ghastly ring road which astonishingly manages to combine underpasses and overpasses in the space of a couple of miles and is still nearly always jammed with traffic.,

Next came a horrid shopping centre (The Broadway?) which squats like a cancerous toad as the west end of the Victorian town centre.

Then they built a load of cheaptastic edge of town retail and business parks to ensure lots and lots of traffic and the hollowing out of the real town centre. This process is still going on.

I'm not sure it is redeemable now.

Reading even has a canal through the middle and a river and lakes on the north edge.

Reading I always felt fell into that 'recently prosperous middling town' trap. Where there's been sufficient money around to see new architecture consistently thrown up en masse in each decade over the last fifty or sixty years; but only ever on a much smaller scale in preceding periods. The result is that there's a nice blend of building running from the fifties through to current times, but a real numeric paucity of older stuff in comparison as most of it is knocked down where possible and the town has expanded far beyond the original borders.

The end result is that you get the clone Shopping Centre moving in (the larger version of the clone high street) followed by retail parks on the edge of town, very mediocre eighties and nineties style office blocks all over the place, the odd manky tower, and plenty of shiny new glass and plastic stuff; but not much that's actually pretty or unique. Nothing that would draw you to the place other than the fact that it's larger than surrounding towns/villages.

Disclaimer:- I've only ever wandered around the town twice in my life and otherwise looked at it when changing trains. So if there's loads of stuff out of town, I wouldn't know.

The way things are going, I can easily see Reading being just another London Borough by the time we hit mid-century.

Where I live, a certain new town has pretty much swallowed up a lot of historic villages.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Why is 'Slaithwaite' pronounced 'Slough-att'?

Why is 'Featherstone-Haigh' pronounced 'fan-shaw'?

Same reason as “N’awlins”, “T’ronn’o” and no doubt plenty of other places in North America are pronounced by the people who live there.

Don Cherry is the only person I've ever heard say 'Tronna' for Toronto, though yeah everybody here laughs at me for pronouncing the second T.

Point being, however, you can see how you get 'Toronna' from Toronto, not so much with either Slaithwaite or Featherstone-Haigh.

Especially Featherstone-Haigh.

 filbert wrote:
Happisburgh in Norfolk is pronounced 'Haze-bruh'

Brits, quit with the nonsense. We all know you intentionally messed up the pronunciation of all your towns and cities in 1939 to confuse the Nazis in case of invasion. Like how you call haggis "food" instead of "weapon of mass destruction."

 Frazzled wrote:

 filbert wrote:
Happisburgh in Norfolk is pronounced 'Haze-bruh'

Brits, quit with the nonsense. We all know you intentionally messed up the pronunciation of all your towns and cities in 1939 to confuse the Nazis in case of invasion. Like how you call haggis "food" instead of "weapon of mass destruction."

He now what's wrong with haggis?

Not Online!!! wrote:
He now what's wrong with haggis?

Clearly he's never had a good example to try.

Nothing! After all it saved Australia from the Japanese Empire. If it wasn't for an emergency airlift to Australia of Haggis and Haggis launchers, the Japanese would have invaded in 1942. History records the Japanese stopping their advance after Coral Sea. But only true historians know it wasn't the Navy battle, but the discovery of the plans for Haggis deployment that the Japanese found on a wrecked destroyer during the battle.

One could argue the entire tide of the Pacific War turned on the humble Haggis.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Because that’s how you pronounce it. Same with the hat.

When you're going through the sounds of letters you go aa, bee, cee, dee, aa??? No. . . e makes an ehh or Eee sound. . . It's not Lawis Hamilton. . . it's Lewis Hamilton, the way y'all say Derby is ridiculous and wrong.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Because that’s how you pronounce it. Same with the hat.

When you're going through the sounds of letters you go aa, bee, cee, dee, aa??? No. . . e makes an ehh or Eee sound. . .

You know written English isn't phonetic, right? I mean, look at the second and third words in that first sentence!

 Frazzled wrote:
Nothing! After all it saved Australia from the Japanese Empire. If it wasn't for an emergency airlift to Australia of Haggis and Haggis launchers, the Japanese would have invaded in 1942. History records the Japanese stopping their advance after Coral Sea. But only true historians know it wasn't the Navy battle, but the discovery of the plans for Haggis deployment that the Japanese found on a wrecked destroyer during the battle.

One could argue the entire tide of the Pacific War turned on the humble Haggis.

If you find haggis this terrible never come here and get "chuttle" with tomato sauce.

Google has failed me. Whats chuttle?

Nothing wrong with MK. Worked there for 20+ years. The grid system means an accident blocking a road can be avoided by +/- 1H, +/- 1V. There are very few 'rat runs' through estates and villages due to it being easier and quicker to use the main grids (excluding xmas time)

It's not all concrete, there are many villages incorporated into the design (Milton Keynes is a small village too within the larger Milton Keynes). As with all cities, there have been problem areas, but that was due to London exporting cocknies in large numbers to get them out the way.

 Frazzled wrote:
Google has failed me. Whats chuttle?

It 's swissgerman for stomach of cows most often, yes just cow stomach with Tomatensauce, altough the Tomatensauce got probably Importet with the secondos.

 Dr Coconut wrote:
Nothing wrong with MK. Worked there for 20+ years. The grid system means an accident blocking a road can be avoided by +/- 1H, +/- 1V. There are very few 'rat runs' through estates and villages due to it being easier and quicker to use the main grids (excluding xmas time)

It's not all concrete, there are many villages incorporated into the design (Milton Keynes is a small village too within the larger Milton Keynes). As with all cities, there have been problem areas, but that was due to London exporting cocknies in large numbers to get them out the way.

I thought grid pattern cities go back all the way to Romans and their military camps that turned into cities. Am I incorrect there?

Also whats wrong with a grid pattern? Its a good way to have a town square, good for traffic, etc.


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Google has failed me. Whats chuttle?

It 's swissgerman for stomach of cows most often, yes just cow stomach with Tomatensauce, altough the Tomatensauce got probably Importet with the secondos.

Sounds like Menudo.

Except it is not a stew.

Boudin blanc!

Andouillettes!

It seems strangely fitting that a thread about British New Towns has evolved into people shouting out the names of offal-based dishes.

We call chuttle 'tripe' in English, BTW. Although we also have chitterlings, which are probably etymologically related but are made from pig intestines rather than cow stomachs.

As a half-Scottish person who spends half his time in France, the disdain most American and English people seem to feel towards eating offal never ceases to amuse.

 Duskweaver wrote:
Andouillettes!

It seems strangely fitting that a thread about British New Towns has evolved into people shouting out the names of offal-based dishes.

We call chuttle 'tripe' in English, BTW. Although we also have chitterlings, which are probably etymologically related but are made from pig intestines rather than cow stomachs.

As a half-Scottish person who spends half his time in France, the disdain most American and English people seem to feel towards eating offal never ceases to amuse.

Granted i would think that most people would be a lot less averse to them if they would realise that sausages are literally nothing else and "worse" meat to eat.

I think the reason why so many of the new towns are pretty terrible is mentioned above

they built housing and roads but very little else, and what they did put in in the way of shops, libraries, cinemas etc has often closed down over the years leaving miles and miles of cheaply built same-y housing

fine to commute from but hardly a lovely place to live

I remember growing up with the 'what's it called? Cumbernauld' adverts on tv




which looked grim even at the time, and they years haven't been kind to the place either

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1668464.stm

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Duskweaver wrote:
Andouillettes!

It seems strangely fitting that a thread about British New Towns has evolved into people shouting out the names of offal-based dishes.

We call chuttle 'tripe' in English, BTW. Although we also have chitterlings, which are probably etymologically related but are made from pig intestines rather than cow stomachs.

As a half-Scottish person who spends half his time in France, the disdain most American and English people seem to feel towards eating offal never ceases to amuse.

Granted i would think that most people would be a lot less averse to them if they would realise that sausages are literally nothing else and "worse" meat to eat.

Well that's the key though isn't it. If it looks reasonable, smells good, and tastes good, people will eat anything.

I'm a Scot, and I really enjoy haggis, but I had to physically clench every muscle in my upper torso to prevent myself vomiting when my old gran tried to cook & serve tripe, because it looks like exactly what it is and doesn't smell particularly appetising at the start of the process either.

It's the difference between someone saying "that hot dog is basically just pig anus and sawdust you know" and someone presenting you with a plateful of cooked pig anuses.

My dad used to like tripe. No one else in the family did; we used to have a pizza on the nights he decided he wanted tripe.

It gies me the boak just thinking about it.

Black pudding is blood sausage. Andouillete is tripe sausage. Haggis is basically sheeps' lungs and stuff sausage.

Bismark, the Iron Chancellor said "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made."

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
My dad used to like tripe. No one else in the family did; we used to have a pizza on the nights he decided he wanted tripe.

It gies me the boak just thinking about it.

And to voluntarily choose tripe when pizza's right there for the taking? Damn...

Only been to Milton Keynes.

I appreciate the design ethos. But having grown up in Edinburgh, and loving The New Town?



Then living just off The Pantiles in Tunbridge Wells



The aesthetic of Milton Keynes



Is alien to me, and not to my taste. I'm a Georgian Boy, and would be a Dandy if I thought I earned enough money to justify it!

"Aesthetic".