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 Ishagu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I think it's worth taking a step back and remembering that a lot of us posting in this thread play Marines and it's easy to be salty about Marines and the state of the game in general if you're playing Marines. They're in a really bad place.

I've still got fingers crossed that Marines are in a better spot when Codex: Marines 2.0 drops. I'm not optimistic by any stretch, but I'm hoping GW is smart enough to realise that Marines are a big percentage of the player base and leaving the faction a garbage fire is probably a bad idea.

I'm expecting it'll be the same as CSM 2.0 just adding new units in and calling it a day.

I think it's going to be wildly different, with a big focus on Primaris. There's already 10+ units to be added into the next book so it's already more different than the Chaos release.

It could go either way - If new model kits with secondary options aren't available the Vanguard Marines might not even be in the new Codex. They may just punt and leave it as a Codex: Vanguard supplement.

Eliminators, Suppressors, Infiltrators, Phobos Cap, Phobos LT, Phobos Librarian is 6... Executioner is 7. What are the other three?

1 Each: RG, IF, CF, BT, UM, Salamanders, IH, WS named Primaris Special Character is another 8.

 Ishagu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I think it's worth taking a step back and remembering that a lot of us posting in this thread play Marines and it's easy to be salty about Marines and the state of the game in general if you're playing Marines. They're in a really bad place.

I've still got fingers crossed that Marines are in a better spot when Codex: Marines 2.0 drops. I'm not optimistic by any stretch, but I'm hoping GW is smart enough to realise that Marines are a big percentage of the player base and leaving the faction a garbage fire is probably a bad idea.

I'm expecting it'll be the same as CSM 2.0 just adding new units in and calling it a day.

I think it's going to be wildly different, with a big focus on Primaris. There's already 10+ units to be added into the next book so it's already more different than the Chaos release.

Ten? I count 4. You have the Infiltrators, Supressors Eliminators and Repulsor Executioners. Captains Leuitenants and Librarians all have new options yes but they're no more likely to get a specific mention then captains in terminator armor did (they didn't) and the repulsor executioner could very likely be added as a blurb onto the standard repulsor. my guess is the repulsor text will be rewritten to account for the repulsor varient and we'll get a new two page "Vanguard Marines" spread. that might simply be little more then a repeat of page 6 and 7 of the vanguard marines mini-dex

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I think it's worth taking a step back and remembering that a lot of us posting in this thread play Marines and it's easy to be salty about Marines and the state of the game in general if you're playing Marines. They're in a really bad place.

I've still got fingers crossed that Marines are in a better spot when Codex: Marines 2.0 drops. I'm not optimistic by any stretch, but I'm hoping GW is smart enough to realise that Marines are a big percentage of the player base and leaving the faction a garbage fire is probably a bad idea.

I'm expecting it'll be the same as CSM 2.0 just adding new units in and calling it a day.

I think it's going to be wildly different, with a big focus on Primaris. There's already 10+ units to be added into the next book so it's already more different than the Chaos release.

Ten? I count 4. You have the Infiltrators, Supressors Eliminators and Repulsor Executioners. Captains Leuitenants and Librarians all have new options yes but they're no more likely to get a specific mention then captains in terminator armor did (they didn't) and the repulsor executioner could very likely be added as a blurb onto the standard repulsor. my guess is the repulsor text will be rewritten to account for the repulsor varient and we'll get a new two page "Vanguard Marines" spread. that might simply be little more then a repeat of page 6 and 7 of the vanguard marines mini-dex

Captain in Gravis Armor got it's own entry. Captain/etc in Phobos Armor probably will as well- the Librarian especially so as it'll get its own power chart, which I'm guessing GW already regrets, they don't want to pack the thing with this Librarian gets that power set, that librarian gets this power set...

The Executioner will be a seperate datasheet as it's a different force org slot.

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I think it's worth taking a step back and remembering that a lot of us posting in this thread play Marines and it's easy to be salty about Marines and the state of the game in general if you're playing Marines. They're in a really bad place.

I've still got fingers crossed that Marines are in a better spot when Codex: Marines 2.0 drops. I'm not optimistic by any stretch, but I'm hoping GW is smart enough to realise that Marines are a big percentage of the player base and leaving the faction a garbage fire is probably a bad idea.

I'm expecting it'll be the same as CSM 2.0 just adding new units in and calling it a day.

I think it's going to be wildly different, with a big focus on Primaris. There's already 10+ units to be added into the next book so it's already more different than the Chaos release.

Ten? I count 4. You have the Infiltrators, Supressors Eliminators and Repulsor Executioners. Captains Leuitenants and Librarians all have new options yes but they're no more likely to get a specific mention then captains in terminator armor did (they didn't) and the repulsor executioner could very likely be added as a blurb onto the standard repulsor. my guess is the repulsor text will be rewritten to account for the repulsor varient and we'll get a new two page "Vanguard Marines" spread. that might simply be little more then a repeat of page 6 and 7 of the vanguard marines mini-dex

Captain in Gravis Armor got it's own entry. Captain/etc in Phobos Armor probably will as well- the Librarian especially so as it'll get its own power chart, which I'm guessing GW already regrets, they don't want to pack the thing with this Librarian gets that power set, that librarian gets this power set...

The Executioner will be a seperate datasheet as it's a different force org slot.

oohh yeah you're talking datasheets, I was thinking "fluff pages" yeah it'll incldue all the new datasheets but I don't expect much else. if CSM 2.0 is anything to go by we won't be able to count on getting the new warlord traits in the codex sadly

BrianDavion wrote:


oohh yeah you're talking datasheets, I was thinking "fluff pages" yeah it'll incldue all the new datasheets but I don't expect much else. if CSM 2.0 is anything to go by we won't be able to count on getting the new warlord traits in the codex sadly

Who'd be shocked if the Obscuration power set was missing too? We'll get a fluff page or two. I expect we'll get some named Primaris - but not Calgar- they'll leave him Vigilus required. I heard someone suggest they won't remove Marine 1.0's just push people into Primaris. Primaris Specials are a step on that road.

If I'm right and we do get some Primaris special's those details will be interesting. An Iron Hands Phobos Captain stumping around quietly on two whirring and grinding bionic legs? Will Pedro Kantor cross the Primaris Rubicon as well, and ended up as a Aggressor after Cawl upgrades him to the Two Fisted Dakka Of Dorn? Oh wait, they already have a Primaris Marneus character. Wlll High Marshall Helbrect unveil the first Primaris Emperor's Champion, Bob? Will Shrike get an Inceptor Lieutenant/Aide? Will Korsarro Khan build the first Primaris Bike?

PRIMARIS KALDOR DRAIGO!

You're all thinking too small.

Roboute Guilliman will be the first Primarisarch.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're all thinking too small.

Roboute Guilliman will be the first Primarisarch.

Primaris Emperor..?

No! Primaris Khorne!

 Xenomancers wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
But how does a Land Raider compare to a Stompa, Gorka/Morkanaugt, Squiggoth, Tantaulus, Vampyr Raider/Hunter, Greater Demon, etc?

Greater deamons are good....what are you talking about? LOL My 3++ -1 damage LOC dumping out supersmites and infernal gateway with a +3/4 to cast is a game winner. Tantaulus can carry quite possibly the most powerful melle unit in the game for it's cost...Vampyr Raider? What is this? A corsair unit? I've already described that that does not count because it's not really even a real unit. Hunter? Ehhh - it's bad but it's not as bad as a LR - you can take 3 for the cost of a LR and you get double the t8 wounds with about the same firepower.

How do you get a 3++?

The only way to get that, to my knowledge, is by cheating.

impossible robes.

Forgot that relic. Okay, my bad.

BrianDavion wrote:

oohh yeah you're talking datasheets, I was thinking "fluff pages" yeah it'll incldue all the new datasheets but I don't expect much else. if CSM 2.0 is anything to go by we won't be able to count on getting the new warlord traits in the codex sadly

All told, the following data sheets...

Captain in Phobos

Lieutenant in Phobos

Vanguard Librarian in Phobos

Infiltrator

Suppressor

Eliminator

Repulsor Executioner

New Iron Hands character and potential techmarine

Bookkeeping: updates to Intercessors, Reivers, Primaris Captain options, etc.

Primarneus Calgar

Victrix Honour Guard

And the following rules...

Poor Chaos missed the boat, but we'll have Bolter Discipline in the book

Crimson Fists and Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics, Relics, Stratagems, and Warlord Traits

Obscuration Discipline

And this is all before any other new units or the long rumoured Chapter Tactics for vehicles.

Speaking of new units...

Where's all this coming from?

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

I'll have to watch the video when I can.

Wow. A new dread, I never would have seen this coming. It looks stripped down too. So awesome. I guess it's a kit for infiltrators, eliminators with their Las fusils and that "land seeder" thing we've been hearing about

 fraser1191 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

I'll have to watch the video when I can.

Wow. A new dread, I never would have seen this coming. It looks stripped down too. So awesome. I guess it's a kit for infiltrators, eliminators with their Las fusils and that "land seeder" thing we've been hearing about

Stripped down look kind of makes it seem like a support piece for Vanguard marines...interesting.

More Vanguard releases and more armour opens up the potential for the Executioner - greater screening ability and more armoured threat saturation always helps these tanks.

Anyone care to post an actual link to said video?

Is it just me or did that rhino have Rhino have sponsons? I can't see it really clear, but I had no idea what the hell that was.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is it just me or did that rhino have Rhino have sponsons? I can't see it really clear, but I had no idea what the hell that was.

I'm more interested in the fact that the Rhino with sponsons appears to be on a flying base.

Its not a Rhino. Its a Repulsor-like hover-tank, but in a somewhat smaller form factor.

The "sponsons" appear to be engine intakes.

CVould that be a new Repulsor or is it just a home brewed counts as?

We know it's not a Rhino. It merely has the rough outline of one, so we default to "Rhino" for conversation's sake.

I agree on the intakes, I hope the blur is making them look bigger than they actually are.

 fraser1191 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

I'll have to watch the video when I can.

Wow. A new dread, I never would have seen this coming. It looks stripped down too. So awesome. I guess it's a kit for infiltrators, eliminators with their Las fusils and that "land seeder" thing we've been hearing about

I'm not convinced that is a dread, it looks to be open topped like a sentinel. I'm quietly hoping it's like a dreadknight but done well.

Well, my search-foo is weaker than I'd like:

https://youtu.be/SFsL-VdxLYw

Perhaps another thread for speculation is in order, or a name change here lol

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

Dudeface wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

I'll have to watch the video when I can.

Wow. A new dread, I never would have seen this coming. It looks stripped down too. So awesome. I guess it's a kit for infiltrators, eliminators with their Las fusils and that "land seeder" thing we've been hearing about

I'm not convinced that is a dread, it looks to be open topped like a sentinel. I'm quietly hoping it's like a dreadknight but done well.

Except in the video he actually calls it a dreadnought.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

I don't buy it being a spin on a Whirlwind. Top bit looks too small. I'm hoping this is the Primaris Rhino we've all been waiting for.

Dudeface wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Where's all this coming from?

The pics? From the video posted on WarCom - Primaris Lieutenant Daily #723

It's freakin' hilarious.

The rest is just wild speculation given the data sheets released already.

I'll have to watch the video when I can.

Wow. A new dread, I never would have seen this coming. It looks stripped down too. So awesome. I guess it's a kit for infiltrators, eliminators with their Las fusils and that "land seeder" thing we've been hearing about

I'm not convinced that is a dread, it looks to be open topped like a sentinel. I'm quietly hoping it's like a dreadknight but done well.

Potentially! Those 2 Grey bars running horizontal do look like roll bars of some sort. It's blurred and I already like the aesthetic.

I'm pretty confident the model being pointed at is a Phobos Lt.
I'll be honest I've been a little salty having to wait for the vanguard marines but things have been resparked.

New tank, new dread, new "rhino". Last thing to wrack my brain around is to the left of the "rhino", is that a Phobos librarian in front of some infiltrators?

Great, one more overpriced primaris only transport, and another useless, overpriced dread, like the redemptor. Both probably wont have an inv.

 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

I don't buy it being a spin on a Whirlwind. Top bit looks too small. I'm hoping this is the Primaris Rhino we've all been waiting for.

What will that even do, other than give your opponent the opportunity to instakill your expensive primaris on 1s when the transport dies? Transports don't work well for marines in 8th.

Martel732 wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

I don't buy it being a spin on a Whirlwind. Top bit looks too small. I'm hoping this is the Primaris Rhino we've all been waiting for.

What will that even do, other than give your opponent the opportunity to instakill your expensive primaris on 1s when the transport dies? Transports don't work well for marines in 8th.

Nothing in your games clearly, you can ignore this chat if you like. We'll just imagine your negativity and save you the effort of posting.