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 Apple Peel wrote:
What kind of LBE are you looking for? Stuff for tools or supplies?

Anything to carry grenades, comms, mobility gear, medical supplies, tools. Even not counting mags, since HSLGs are backpack-powered, real-world special forces (and airborne, for that matter) tend to be absolutely loaded with kit for high-intensity low-duration operations.

The 3rd Ed models only really have grenades, but they sure have a ton of them. It's a good contrast to the relatively ill-equipped Cadians.

 Apple Peel wrote:
When I spoke of being sleek, I refer to how smooth the armor plates are at, say the knee and chest, compared to the solid block on these older chests.

Contoured armor doesn't scream Imperial Guard to me. The chunky armor seems more fitting to the aesthetic.

To be honest, if there were a head option with the distinctive 3rd Ed cowl, I'd buy third-party pouches and grenades and be happy with them. But the models as-is are a little too Star Wars for my tastes, and in a game that is already chock-full of over-the-top stylized silliness it feels a shame that the one relatively realistic, gritty, no-nonsense unit was redesigned into more of the same.

This is all YMMV. Not trying to imply you're wrong or bad for liking the Scions.

catbarf wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
What kind of LBE are you looking for? Stuff for tools or supplies?

Anything to carry grenades, comms, mobility gear, medical supplies, tools. Even not counting mags, since HSLGs are backpack-powered, real-world special forces (and airborne, for that matter) tend to be absolutely loaded with kit for high-intensity low-duration operations.

The 3rd Ed models only really have grenades, but they sure have a ton of them. It's a good contrast to the relatively ill-equipped Cadians.

 Apple Peel wrote:
When I spoke of being sleek, I refer to how smooth the armor plates are at, say the knee and chest, compared to the solid block on these older chests.

Contoured armor doesn't scream Imperial Guard to me. The chunky armor seems more fitting to the aesthetic.

To be honest, if there were a head option with the distinctive 3rd Ed cowl, I'd buy third-party pouches and grenades and be happy with them. But the models as-is are a little too Star Wars for my tastes, and in a game that is already chock-full of over-the-top stylized silliness it feels a shame that the one relatively realistic, gritty, no-nonsense unit was redesigned into more of the same.

This is all YMMV. Not trying to imply you're wrong or bad for liking the Scions.

Oh no, I understand you. Do you own any Scions? The boxes and art that GW has put out is actually quite misrepresentative of the full kit. There are enough double grenade pieces, combat knives for each Scion. Some of the packs have attached grenades and knives. The kits also come with some water canteens, ammo(maybe) pouches, three uplifting primers, and packed up rifles. There are a lot of customization options, but the advertising art hardly uses it.

In concern to the contoured armor not being IG, remember when Scions were released they were specifically not IG, and they are now only in the codex for simplicity’s sake.

I dont know why people is arguing about.

Karskin, Krieg Grenadiers, 3rd Stormtroopers, Tempestus Scions, for me all of them are phenomenal , every single one in his own beautifull way.

I wish for GW to do 3 boxes of Stormtroopers, one for karskin, other for generic inquisition scions like 3rd ones and the normal Tempestus that is allready in production.

We have 3 boxes for tactical marines, FFS.

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:

Certainly, I think the Overlord is way OTT, and I think they took that into account with the new Cryptek model (something for the other thread!).

I think the new cryptek could be great if you cut off the stupid chin and remove the bead-curtains from his back (seriously, what's wrong with capes made of regular cloth?).

Definitely an improvement from the old cryptek, though. I think the paint job helps.

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
As for the old lore, it was perfect for an NPC race but not really broad enough for a player faction IMO.

Surely no more so than Tyranids?

Regardless, I'd have liked to see the old lore tweaked to allow for Necron Lords (or Destroyer Lords) with a bit more personality and autonomy, but otherwise keeping it largely the same.

In fairness, it probably doesn't help that I'm really not a fan of Tomb Kings, so I wasn't particularly keen to see Necrons become 'Tomb Kings in Space'.

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:

To continue on this thread (and move my contribution to the subject on), Logan Grimnar on his daft sled looks completely absurd. Who looked at the old model and thought "MORE WOLF"?

Yeah, Space Wolves really seemed to go off the deep end with wolves.

I mean, they already have access to robo-wolves as mounts . . . did Logan really need to be riding a hover-chariot pulled by 2 wolves? Also, are they the only means of propulsion? Like, if they die, is Logan just stuck shouting obscenities from his miniature-airship?

If they really had to have him in a hover-boat, could they not at least have made it self-propelled and just had a pair of wolves running alongside it?

The plastic Landspeeder, it looks like a flying bumper car. I prefer the metal 2nd edition Landspeeder.

The all plastic Razorback, I don't like the turret that is just the weapons mount. I prefer the old metal turret with the exposed Space Marine.

 vipoid wrote:

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:

To continue on this thread (and move my contribution to the subject on), Logan Grimnar on his daft sled looks completely absurd. Who looked at the old model and thought "MORE WOLF"?

Yeah, Space Wolves really seemed to go off the deep end with wolves.

I mean, they already have access to robo-wolves as mounts . . . did Logan really need to be riding a hover-chariot pulled by 2 wolves? Also, are they the only means of propulsion? Like, if they die, is Logan just stuck shouting obscenities from his miniature-airship?

If they really had to have him in a hover-boat, could they not at least have made it self-propelled and just had a pair of wolves running alongside it?

To add another level of absurdity to this (and a few other items). This was supposed to have been a mount for Leman Russ too. Now we know how much they've overscaled the primarch models to absurd levels, because authors think they're like 12ft tall and the modern 40k audience accepts this as fact ( ) we're stuck with things like the above that make zero sense. How did Russ use it? Did he have a matching one for the other foot that is now lost to the ages? Did he sit in it like the very tall man from the Simpsons?

It's things like that that take it to a new level of absurd.

 Galas wrote:
I dont know why people is arguing about.

Karskin, Krieg Grenadiers, 3rd Stormtroopers, Tempestus Scions, for me all of them are phenomenal , every single one in his own beautifull way.

I wish for GW to do 3 boxes of Stormtroopers, one for karskin, other for generic inquisition scions like 3rd ones and the normal Tempestus that is allready in production.

We have 3 boxes for tactical marines, FFS.

I don’t think there is really any arguing, just the discussion of like and dislikes.

 Grimtuff wrote:

To add another level of absurdity to this (and a few other items). This was supposed to have been a mount for Leman Russ too. Now we know how much they've overscaled the primarch models to absurd levels, because authors think they're like 12ft tall and the modern 40k audience accepts this as fact ( ) we're stuck with things like the above that make zero sense. How did Russ use it? Did he have a matching one for the other foot that is now lost to the ages? Did he sit in it like the very tall man from the Simpsons?

It's things like that that take it to a new level of absurd.

A part of me now wants to see Leman Russ wearing wolf-hover-chariots like roller skates.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that the new primarchs are absurdly oversized.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tyranid Warriors.

Spoiler:

Lovely, and a classic design



Replaced with monstrosities



And that wonderfully gangly aesthetic was gone forever more.

Agreed. Then they made them shorter, and gave them crests to match the 3rd edition Hive Tyrant, switched up their arms, and gave them tails instead of stingers. The odd thing is I own so many of those 3rd and 7th edition kits but I've trimmed down the crests so they match all the other bulbous-headed Tyranids. You can put the guns on the upper arms if you're willing to carve up the chest-plating a bit. I never managed to do anything with the tails (and I understand why the stinger was a no-go). I suppose I should be thankful for the options in the box even if Boneswords suck now.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:

I could have stomached the special characters being dressed up light Christmas Trees (I mean, who wants Necrons to look even remotely mysterious or threatening?), but was it really necessary that even the standard HQs have to sport ludicrous amounts of bling? Are we sure that these really are Necrons and not just robots programmed to replicate the wardrobe of Lady Gaga?

Certainly, I think the Overlord is way OTT, and I think they took that into account with the new Cryptek model (something for the other thread!).

Oh yeah, the Canoptek cryptek is much better than the fine cast one. Still has that cape and goatee, but they did it right this time. For starters, it doesn't have that stupid crest that they seem to think necrons should have.


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 Phaeron Gukk wrote:


As for the old lore, it was perfect for an NPC race but not really broad enough for a player faction IMO.

If this were a RPG you'd have a point, but this isn't an RPG, its a wargame. You are just controlling figures on a board. Whether or not they have backstories is irrelevant.
Its no different from playing an RTS. In fact, from a player perspective the fact that Necrons are just killing machines is perfect; you, the player, are their central AI, and necrons are the units under your control, like units on computer screen.

In fact, the Necron lore should have gone mechanical, not Egyptian. It should have focused on Tomb World AIs, and they could have given those AIs little quirks, to show their sophistication and the toll time has had on them.
Its why I think its a pity that the Empire of the Severed was never expanded upon, because that's how necrons should have been.

I like the newcrons (apart from the arks) and their lore.

But I think it was a big mistake to kill off the c'tan. They could have kept the 4 major ones alive, and tweeked the story a little.
Something in the lines of the nightbringer and deceiver fighting the necrons to regain their lost shards with their own armys of necrons. Add that they have learned to split shards of from their "main" bodys. Those shards could then lead their armies etc etc.
That way you would still have the newcrons and the oldcrons (and the c'tan).

Technically they are still alive, but they are in tiny little pieces.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Technically they are still alive, but they are in tiny little pieces.

I know, but you get the point.

 Andersp90 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Technically they are still alive, but they are in tiny little pieces.

I know, but you get the point.

Yeah, its not great.
The C'tan becoming "awake" and moving to reclaim their lost shards would make for an interesting story, and could serve as the basis for a civil war between the C'tan controlled necrons and the Dynastic necrons.
Maybe the Empire of the Severed would finally make a reappearance, idk.

Speaking of C'tan - I don't like the Transcendent C'tan model.
I don't like how you have to buy an expensive vehicle kit to use him, and I don't like how he looks like Dr Manhattan, but with a Bane mask.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Technically they are still alive, but they are in tiny little pieces.

I know, but you get the point.

Yeah, its not great.
The C'tan becoming "awake" and moving to reclaim their lost shards would make for an interesting story, and could serve the basis for an civil war between the C'tan controlled necrons and the Dynastic necrons.
Maybe the Empire of the Severed would finally make a reappearance, idk.

And it would explain why the necrons are not steamrolling the galaxy, like they prob could now.

princeyg wrote:
Can I introduce something a bit more leftfield?

Epic Eldar Phantom Titans. Went from sleek alien beauties to epic 40k`s horrible boxy warlord titan with anorexia.

It was sooo unpopular eventually they stopped making it and re released the original when epic armageddon came about.

The weird part is that it was such an improvement for the Gargant and Great Gargant.

For 40K:

Broadside Battlesuits. Their designation is XV88, the XV8 indicating they are based on the XV8 Crisis chassis (like Forge World XV81, XV84 etc.). The new kit is too damn big!

Fantasy:

The Dark Elf Executioners/Black Guard dual kit. The metal models this kit replaced had very distinct designs, as fitting the fluff of these units. The dual kit lost all of that distinction, turning them into basic head/weapon swaps. Both of these units come from different cities in Naggaroth (Har Ganeth and Naggarond), serving different factions (Cult of Khaine and Malekith), being armed and armoured by different smiths with their own flair and operating under very different design requests (the people making the armour for the Executioners of Har Ganeth are also making the armour and weapons for the witch elves, they're making the cauldrons of blood etc.)

Definitely Necrons come to mind first.

The Flayed Ones are much worse sculpts than the previous ones, I think there is universal agreement on that.

I also miss the old Wraiths. The new Wraiths are amazing models, absolutely beautiful in concept and execution. However, the old Wraiths had such a feel of menace and character - they were probably my favorite Necron model. Having them replaced by something so different, even though it's beautiful, still bugs me. I kept my old ones along with the new ones.

I don't like Ghost Ark or... any Necron vehicle with a visible pilot. I have converted every single Necron vehicle I have built to remove the pilot. This isn't really a redesign per se, but was something added as part of a redesign. I know there is precedent for this in the lawn chair, but I don't care - a race of sentient robots don't pilot vehicles, they make autonomous drones or intelligent vehicles.

I think this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I liked the old, boxy dreadnoughts over the newer Primaris one. I think the old ones had real character, and the new ones look like a combination of a GI joe toy mixed with something out of Titanfall. There is just too much stuff going on there. A gatling gun and a plasma cannon and 2x storm bolters and a DCCW and a rocket launcher? Seems excessive.

The Hellbrute is a dumb name for an ugly model. The old Chaos dreads were great, I thought.

The old Chaos Raptors could have used a tune-up, but I think the new ones went too far. They are again way too busy, just too much stuff all over every smooth surface.

I hate the new SAG Ork Big Mek, and am glad I have the old metal one, even though it sucked to assemble. The new one has no soul and the Ork's face looks flat as a tiki mask.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
For 40K:

Broadside Battlesuits. Their designation is XV88, the XV8 indicating they are based on the XV8 Crisis chassis (like Forge World XV81, XV84 etc.). The new kit is too damn big!

I for one don't like how they no longer have shoulder mounted rail guns. Those looked cool. Why you gotta take away the cool stuff, GW?

 Apple Peel wrote:
Oh no, I understand you. Do you own any Scions? The boxes and art that GW has put out is actually quite misrepresentative of the full kit. There are enough double grenade pieces, combat knives for each Scion. Some of the packs have attached grenades and knives. The kits also come with some water canteens, ammo(maybe) pouches, three uplifting primers, and packed up rifles. There are a lot of customization options, but the advertising art hardly uses it.

I'll be honest, while I've bought the legs and torsos for servitor conversions, I don't own any full Scions. That's interesting to hear re: accessories and does make them a little more appealing.

Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it. Might have to look into them a bit more. My last showstopper is that I really dislike the masked heads; the somewhat gas mask-esque one is cool but as far as I can tell there's only one in a box. Maybe some Cadian hazardous environment respirators would fit the bill.

catbarf wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
Oh no, I understand you. Do you own any Scions? The boxes and art that GW has put out is actually quite misrepresentative of the full kit. There are enough double grenade pieces, combat knives for each Scion. Some of the packs have attached grenades and knives. The kits also come with some water canteens, ammo(maybe) pouches, three uplifting primers, and packed up rifles. There are a lot of customization options, but the advertising art hardly uses it.

I'll be honest, while I've bought the legs and torsos for servitor conversions, I don't own any full Scions. That's interesting to hear re: accessories and does make them a little more appealing.

Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it. Might have to look into them a bit more. My last showstopper is that I really dislike the masked heads; the somewhat gas mask-esque one is cool but as far as I can tell there's only one in a box. Maybe some Cadian hazardous environment respirators would fit the bill.

The Omnishield helm is fitted for lots of environments, even void departure. It isn’t for everyone. I’ve seen people do those Cadian ones in Scions. They aren’t half bad. Besides, to make up for the helms, the box has a whole selection of heads with berets.


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Honestly, Scions seem like some of the best kits for conversions considering how many people I see use them on various sites.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
For 40K:



Fantasy:

The Dark Elf Executioners/Black Guard dual kit. The metal models this kit replaced had very distinct designs, as fitting the fluff of these units. The dual kit lost all of that distinction, turning them into basic head/weapon swaps. Both of these units come from different cities in Naggaroth (Har Ganeth and Naggarond), serving different factions (Cult of Khaine and Malekith), being armed and armoured by different smiths with their own flair and operating under very different design requests (the people making the armour for the Executioners of Har Ganeth are also making the armour and weapons for the witch elves, they're making the cauldrons of blood etc.)

To be honest the metal ones were also very, very similar

I mean... even the pauldorns are nearly identical:


But I'll admit I prefer the old executioners, because I love that style of helmet with the chainmail, like some slavish warrior.

 Galas wrote:

To be honest the metal ones were also very, very similar

I dont see it.

But I really liked the old design. The skull-masks just look silly.

 Andersp90 wrote:

 Galas wrote:

To be honest the metal ones were also very, very similar

I dont see it.

But I really liked the old design. The skull-masks just look silly.

I like the skull masks... just not for those models.

They seem like something that should be on Dark Eldar or Eldar Dark Reapers or another Sci-Fi model.

I swapped out all the skull masks on my Executioners with the Sisters of Slaughter masks and honestly, they look better.

They look like Immortals from 300 a bit.

 vipoid wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

 Galas wrote:

To be honest the metal ones were also very, very similar

I dont see it.

But I really liked the old design. The skull-masks just look silly.

I like the skull masks... just not for those models.

They seem like something that should be on Dark Eldar or Eldar Dark Reapers or another Sci-Fi model.

Agreed. But it's hardly surprising seeing as the 8th edition dark elf army book basically made them into "dark eldar in the middle ages" and threw in the whole "slaanesh stealing elf souls" shtick from 40K into Fantasy for some reason. It makes sense in 40k where the eldar created slaanesh (so the god is trying to eat its creators) but in fantasy slaanesh always existed and wasn't created by the elves.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Agreed. But it's hardly surprising seeing as the 8th edition dark elf army book basically made them into "dark eldar in the middle ages" and threw in the whole "slaanesh stealing elf souls" shtick from 40K into Fantasy for some reason. It makes sense in 40k where the eldar created slaanesh (so the god is trying to eat its creators) but in fantasy slaanesh always existed and wasn't created by the elves.

It's amusing because, if anything, I'd actually prefer Dark Eldar becoming more like Dark Elves, rather than the other way around.

If nothing else, I'd like to have actual DE psykers. I suspect I'm in the minority on this one, but to my mind Dark Eldar is just crying out for the psychic equivalent of the Lore of Dark Magic.

pm713 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

Winged Autarch- the pose is "supposed" to be dynamic, but instead he looks like he's posing for a photo.

To me it looks like he's lost his balance and is trying to stop himself falling backwards.

I think the DE Scourges are vastly better when it comes to winged models in 'dynamic' poses.

I hate that model so much. It represents so much that's wrong with GW character design nowadays. Why have variety and options when you can just have a single monopose character?

Scourges are beautiful. I made entire units out of them in my Corsairs...when they were a thing anyway.

The winged autarch with a sword and a pistol ? Painted red and white by gw ? He is probably one of the GW model I enjoy the most, all ranges all era mixed. I've considered starting an eldar army just because of him. Funny how two people can have such a different point of view about the exact same thing ! ^^

 vipoid wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Agreed. But it's hardly surprising seeing as the 8th edition dark elf army book basically made them into "dark eldar in the middle ages" and threw in the whole "slaanesh stealing elf souls" shtick from 40K into Fantasy for some reason. It makes sense in 40k where the eldar created slaanesh (so the god is trying to eat its creators) but in fantasy slaanesh always existed and wasn't created by the elves.

It's amusing because, if anything, I'd actually prefer Dark Eldar becoming more like Dark Elves, rather than the other way around.

If nothing else, I'd like to have actual DE psykers. I suspect I'm in the minority on this one, but to my mind Dark Eldar is just crying out for the psychic equivalent of the Lore of Dark Magic.

Well, iirc the reason they don't have psykers is because they don't want to attract the attention of demons.
But then again, capturing psykers and using them as a decoy to lure demons elsewhere where they won't bother the Dark Eldar seems like something they would do. Maybe they can have a psyker slave unit, or an psychic potential-Haemonculous creation that uses powers based on pain and suffering, which is intended to be used as demon bait (demons are attracted to pain, I would think), but could be combat effective as well.

Daemonettes and Escher, they look too much like men and I don't like it. And its not even the design choices, for example forgeworld escher characters looks great.
Just plastic detail is too big and bulky.

Overall chaos daemons ranges from every previous generations I liked more too.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Well, iirc the reason they don't have psykers is because they don't want to attract the attention of demons.

I'm presuming there must be exceptions then, as I'm pretty sure *at least* one kabal had an Archon who "courted daemons".

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

But then again, capturing psykers and using them as a decoy to lure demons elsewhere where they won't bother the Dark Eldar seems like something they would do. Maybe they can have a psyker slave unit, or an psychic potential-Haemonculous creation that uses powers based on pain and suffering, which is intended to be used as demon bait (demons are attracted to pain, I would think), but could be combat effective as well.

To be honest, I was thinking more of something like a Corsair Prince (an Archon/Autarch-ish character with a small amount of psychic ability).

I know it will never happen but I can dream.