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Andersp90 wrote: The zoanthrope has been on quite the journey since 2nd edition. But I really like where it has ended up.
That said, I wish they would do something with the 2nd edition design. I think a really cool new tyranid "monster" could come out of it.
I kinda feel that the Maleceptor paid a bit of homage to its design. The horizontal 'collar' of carapace around the brain, the tail that curves around underneath, etc.
Andersp90 wrote: The zoanthrope has been on quite the journey since 2nd edition. But I really like where it has ended up.
That said, I wish they would do something with the 2nd edition design. I think a really cool new tyranid "monster" could come out of it.
I kinda feel that the Maleceptor paid a bit of homage to its design. The horizontal 'collar' of carapace around the brain, the tail that curves around underneath, etc.
I agree. But I would still like to see a "true" redesign on two legs.
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insaniak wrote: So, while the most hated redesign thread is an interesting read, lets aim for some more positivity for a Monday morning (Stop grumbling, you people from the tail end of the world, it will be monday soon enough!)
What's your favourite redesigned model?
First of all - thanks for the positive spin!
Second - Abaddon without a doubt. Absolutely incredible re-envisioning!
The new CSM, Havocs & Abaddon - GW just took what people loved, the old and trusty designs, and simply made them better. Wish other factions would get a treatment like that. Marines can keep their flying master chiefs.
The tings that made me get really excited for an army were:
Mark 7 Space Marine armour in 1990. the change from the RTB01 "beakies" to the RTB15 Space Marine Strike Force was amazing to 11-year-old me.
The 3rd and 4th (current) incarnations of the Warlord titan. not so keen on the 2nd version with the skull head, but the last two revisions have each been excellent re-imaginings.
I want to second this. The current plastic daemonettes get a lot of criticism, but they're the only version since the original 1980s models to actually look like daemonettes, IMO. The Diaznettes were cool models... for heavily mutated female Slaanesh cultists. But they weren't daemonettes as far as I was ever concerned.
IMO, the only thing wrong with the current plastics is the too-static nature of their poses, and that was probably unavoidable due to being originally required to rank up in WHFB.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
I want to second this. The current plastic daemonettes get a lot of criticism, but they're the only version since the original 1980s models to actually look like daemonettes, IMO. The Diaznettes were cool models... for heavily mutated female Slaanesh cultists. But they weren't daemonettes as far as I was ever concerned.
IMO, the only thing wrong with the current plastics is the too-static nature of their poses, and that was probably unavoidable due to being originally required to rank up in WHFB.
I think it was also skill and attitude of designers too. If you look at Witch Aelves they are very dynamic poses and yet they were made for rank and file. I think in some ways there are skill barriers that have to be overcome and sometimes its just a case of seeing a different approach and taking it.
Another would be mounted units, most equines in army games have a parade ground pose to them. Often because this makes them easily interchange with a dozen different upper or mounted bodies; but it doesn't make them any better at rank and file than some dynamic poses. It's likely just that horses were always "done like that" so they end up being done like that still. Until someone comes along and changes it. Of course shifting off rank and file entirely frees up designers both in their design space, but likely also in the attitude they take toward the sculpt right from the start.
It was the Wulfen until about three months ago when I pulled them out to find out that every single one had broken at the ankle.
Now I’d have to say Abaddon.
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Nurgle Chaos Lord without a doubt (currently known as the Lord of Plagues ). The metal version that came before him as pretty nice, but I'm still completely enamored with this miniature all these years later.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Plaguebearers, to be honest. The new ones are just better in looks, representing the fluff, price, practicality...
My only real gripe with the current Plaguebearers kit is the swords, the trowel-like blades that their predecessors carried were much better suited to the denizens of Nurgle's Garden imho
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Since the first artworks of chaos from the 80-90's and other media products like the Age of Reckoning and Mark of Chaos Cinematics, Greater Demons have been very very huge in the fluff and background.
They where only small in miniature model because technical limitations.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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Galas wrote: Why people says new Greater Demons are Oversized?
Since the first artworks of chaos from the 80-90's and other media products like the Age of Reckoning and Mark of Chaos Cinematics, Greater Demons have been very very huge in the fluff and background.
They where only small in miniature model because technical limitations.
Some of the really big kits like the new Greater Daemons or Knights just feel too much like action figures for my liking, I prefer my miniatures to be, well, miniature!
Galas wrote: Why people says new Greater Demons are Oversized?
Since the first artworks of chaos from the 80-90's and other media products like the Age of Reckoning and Mark of Chaos Cinematics, Greater Demons have been very very huge in the fluff and background.
They where only small in miniature model because technical limitations.
The problem of scale to me is that with the older Greater Daemons you could have a Grey Knight Grand Master standing toe-to-toe with one and have it resemble a fight. With the new ones the Grey Knight is poking it in the shins, and it just ends up looking silly when the Daemon should be able to just step on it. (I know that's why they did the Dreadknight, but the less I have to look at/think about the papoose-bot the better.)
(The Mark of Chaos cinematic's Greater Daemon is way closer to the size of the old ones than the new ones. He's hunched over when he first shows up but in the wide shot his head isn't far above the head of the Warrior-Priest.)
Elbows wrote: That's curious because I never took to the new Rhino at all. So much so that I ended up kit-bashing Rhino-Russes to replace them so I could avoid using them I didn't love the Deimos original stuff, but the newest Marine stuff looked stodgy to me for some reason.
It's kind of a mixed bag for me. I don't necessarily like the Rhino kit or it's varients all that much and they're vastly out of scale, but at the same time they're faithful to the original model so if you have old ones you can keep using them without it looking really strange. I think they should have taken the opportunity to reimagine them as something a little less WWI (or even just make the base hull a tad bigger), but I can see why they didn't go that route.
Galas wrote: Why people says new Greater Demons are Oversized?
Since the first artworks of chaos from the 80-90's and other media products like the Age of Reckoning and Mark of Chaos Cinematics, Greater Demons have been very very huge in the fluff and background.
They where only small in miniature model because technical limitations.
The problem of scale to me is that with the older Greater Daemons you could have a Grey Knight Grand Master standing toe-to-toe with one and have it resemble a fight. With the new ones the Grey Knight is poking it in the shins, and it just ends up looking silly when the Daemon should be able to just step on it. (I know that's why they did the Dreadknight, but the less I have to look at/think about the papoose-bot the better.)
(The Mark of Chaos cinematic's Greater Daemon is way closer to the size of the old ones than the new ones. He's hunched over when he first shows up but in the wide shot his head isn't far above the head of the Warrior-Priest.)
That was because he hunched over to yell at the Warrior Priest face.
I mean this was the concept art for it on that cinematic.
Spoiler:
Greater Demons have always been GIANT in the fluff, and everywhere they could make them giant they did it. Only in miniature form were they ultra small.
And I have no problem with a small guy going agaisnt a giant guy.
David vs Goliath? Grommash vs Magtheridon? Those are very typical in fantasy.
Size =/= power
As the ancestors say:
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EDIT: What I want to say with this is: Is absolutely fine to prefer the smaller Greater Demons by all kind of metrics. But the new, giant ones are not oversized. They are how they have alwayes been in the fluff, at last. So thats not an argument agaisnt them, that they are unfluffy.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Probably a more dissenting view against the oldies, but the Militarum Tempestus.
I like the new Militarum Tempestus. I can understand why the older Kasrkins were cool. They were up-armored guardsmen. As GW decided to move forward and make the “international” Stormtroopers different, I feel just going up-armored in looks would have been bad. I appreciate the more baroque armor—the chestplate and detailing. I also like the “sleek, killer” look. I feel like I’m looking at Sam Fishers or MG Snake in 40K. Being a more specialist force, these are the sleek armored killers I’d imagine a government would send out to perform a mission, just sculpt-wise.
Besides, new design has throwbacks to older stormtrooper stuff, like the berets, the eye lenses, and the targeters on the hot-shot lasguns.
Plus, the pikelhaube is great, as well as the baroque detailing—it reminds me of the blending of old and new war machines, which was WW1 in a nutshell.
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Apple Peel wrote: Probably a more dissenting view against the oldies, but the Militarum Tempestus.
I like the new Militarum Tempestus. I can understand why the older Kasrkins were cool. They were up-armored guardsmen. As GW decided to move forward and make the “international” Stormtroopers different, I feel just going up-armored in looks would have been bad. I appreciate the more baroque armor—the chestplate and detailing. I also like the “sleek, killer” look. I feel like I’m looking at Sam Fishers or MG Snake in 40K. Being a more specialist force, these are the sleek armored killers I’d imagine a government would send out to perform a mission, just sculpt-wise.
Besides, new design has throwbacks to older stormtrooper stuff, like the berets, the eye lenses, and the targeters on the hot-shot lasguns.
Plus, the pikelhaube is great, as well as the baroque detailing—it reminds me of the blending of old and new war machines, which was WW1 in a nutshell.
I can get behind that view. Kasrkin were cool, but the generic stormtroopers were always underwhelming. The MT went in a very different direction to the Kasrkin, so caught people somewhat off-guard, but I like them.
I gotta say of all the versions the last metal sculpt (the tallest one) of those is my definite favorite. I do like how the 3rd Ed one is of "Eldar origin", it looks like a floating old Wraithlord head.
The whole Dark Eldar line that came out in 5th. The old pewter line had its merits, of course, but it was almost comical in design. Big cone heads with spikes almost the size of the torso. Massive tufts of hair for some reason.
The redesign was, and still is, amazing. The sculpts are detailed without being busy, simple without being plain. They are similar to Eldar but maintain a distinctly sinister aesthetic.
Kabalites, Wyches, Reavers, and Scourges in particular remain some of the best in GWs line.
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). The metal version that came before him as pretty nice, but I'm still completely enamored with this miniature all these years later.
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