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2019/07/18 03:01:18
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
Ghaz wrote: The Turkina, Nobori-nin (Huntsman) and Cauldron-Born (does anyone call it the Ebon Jaguar?) were IMHO three of the Clan OmniMechs most in need of an update.
Insufferable MWO players call it an Ebon Jaguar.
The Cauldron-Born did get a second sculpt. I'm not sure which one I have actually...
Although I'd argue that the Linebacker is in more dire need of an update than any of them.
The Linebacker's updated art doesn't look that bad...
Spoiler:
I've just never seen artwork (or a miniature for that matter) of the Turkina, Nobori-nin or Cauldron-Born that I like.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2019/07/18 03:03:19
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
Ghaz wrote: The Turkina, Nobori-nin (Huntsman) and Cauldron-Born (does anyone call it the Ebon Jaguar?) were IMHO three of the Clan OmniMechs most in need of an update.
Insufferable MWO players call it an Ebon Jaguar.
The Cauldron-Born did get a second sculpt. I'm not sure which one I have actually...
Although I'd argue that the Linebacker is in more dire need of an update than any of them.
Sabotage! wrote: Thanks for the heads up. If it takes a couple afternoons to play a lance on lance game, it is probably not the game for me. I really appreciate your help!
I think he worded it badly. A Lance v Lance won't take a couple of afternoons. It's a few hours, like a regular 40K game. Company vs Company, that can take a few afternoons (less as you get more familiar with the rules).
the ebon jaguar is it's clan name, but that was only recently revealed so even most clan players call it a cauldron born. although I admit I like the name Ebon Jaguar. it sounds pretty awesome
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2019/07/18 03:07:06
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
Thanks for the clarification everyone! A couple hours for a Lance vs. Lance game is much more manageable. I might go in for Star Captain and add-on the base game. I saw my favorite mech (Atlas) is included in the one of the packs, hopefully with the new design all the other mechs are receiving.
2019/07/18 03:31:28
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
I don't like the new Crusader at all. That's a blessing in disguise. I can say no to the Heavy Lance box.
But still no Urbie! KS fail!!!!!
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2019/07/18 07:51:54
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
To besmirch its name is to besmirch the glory of Clan Jade Falcon itself.
The Turkina B is a fething walking, jumping nightmare.
It is also not exactly the prettiest mech around
Not horrible, but not the prettiest
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The standard box is avail as an add-on, and CGL have confirmed in the comments that the beginner's box will be avail in the pledge manager at the end.
[EDIT]: And we're at $499k.
There's also an add-on with just the mechs of the two current starter boxes, 10 mechs for $40, which is not too bad.
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2019/07/18 08:58:26
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
C'mon, it's me, the guy who owns every map sheet, tile set and battlemat in existence. Sometimes up to 6 copies of a single map. Of course I want the new mapsheets!
The new stretch goals are great. Look at these Lance/Star Packs:
Clan Command Star - Daishi, Ryoken, Shadow Cat, Koshi, Thor
Clan Heavy Striker Star - Man 'O War, Vulture, Loki, Dragonfly, Fenris
Clan Fire Star - Dasher, Uller, Nova Cat, Masakari
Clan Pursuit Star - Fire Falcon, Hankyu, Hellion, Battle Cobra, Black Lanner
Clan Heavy Battle Star - Turkina, Kingfisher, Crossbow, Cauldron-Born, Nobori-nin
Clan Support Star - Kodiak, Supernova, Marauder IIC, Warhammer IIC, Hunchback IIC
Inner Sphere Command Lance - Marauder, Valkyrie, Archer, Stinger
Inner Sphere Battle Lance - Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Rifleman, Wasp
Inner Sphere Direct Fire Lance - Atlas Marauder II, Orion, Crusader
Inner Sphere Heavy Lance - Banshee, Grasshopper, Centurion, Hatchetman
Inner Sphere Striker Lance - Blackjack, Panther, Wolfhound, Jenner
Inner Sphere Fire Support Lance - Whitworth, Trebuchet, Bombardier, Longbow
Well, if I know my Kickstarters, and I like to think that I do given how many we've had here, we'll get basically nothing for the next 26-27 days, and then a big ramp up right at the end.
In the meantime the conversation will just devolve into repetitious cries of "Communication!!!".
500,000 just got everybody some free mechs- 550 is a difficult to argue with Clan lance of Kodiak, Supernova, Warhamster IIC, Marauder IIc, and Hunchback IIc.
They also listened to cries of the IS being repeats- 600,000 unlocks the Fire Support Lance with Whitworth, Trebuchet, Bombardier and Longbow.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
2019/07/18 09:47:04
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
LoL, you are very well equipped, HBMC! I definitely agree about the Whitworth and Trebuchet, they were in the last generation starter, so they're pretty prolific- but I don't think I've ever seen a longbow or Bombardier hit the table. To me, they're quite exotic IS mechs.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
2019/07/18 10:08:23
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
I've never used my Bombardier. Actually, I've never used probably 2/3rds of the 'Mechs I own (creeping on about 400 now). I have used all three of my Ryokens at the same time. Multiple times. Oh man if the rando-pack got me another Ryoken I'd have a full Star of the damned things. What bliss!
Thing about the Whitworth is that, despite its rep, I actually kinda like it. I like the SRM6 version even more.
The Treb is... fine. I guess.
I have used a Longbow 12C in a game before. That's quite a nasty machine. No defensive abilities to speak of, but it puts tons of missiles downrange.
[EDIT]: At $600k they unlock Inner Sphere factions for the custom dice they're making. I can finally get some Davion dice.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never used my Bombardier. Actually, I've never used probably 2/3rds of the 'Mechs I own (creeping on about 400 now). I have used all three of my Ryokens at the same time. Multiple times. Oh man if the rando-pack got me another Ryoken I'd have a full Star of the damned things. What bliss!
Thing about the Whitworth is that, despite its rep, I actually kinda like it. I like the SRM6 version even more.
The Treb is... fine. I guess.
I have used a Longbow 12C in a game before. That's quite a nasty machine. No defensive abilities to speak of, but it puts tons of missiles downrange.
[EDIT]: At $600k they unlock Inner Sphere factions for the custom dice they're making. I can finally get some Davion dice.
I swear I saw some Davion dice in a shop while on a trip to Spain. Official product too.
And I'm not impressed by the upcoming IS designs maybe I'll double the number of Marauders instead.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2019/07/18 13:37:09
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2019/07/18 13:52:28
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
To besmirch its name is to besmirch the glory of Clan Jade Falcon itself.
The Turkina B is a fething walking, jumping nightmare.
It is also not exactly the prettiest mech around
Not horrible, but not the prettiest
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The standard box is avail as an add-on, and CGL have confirmed in the comments that the beginner's box will be avail in the pledge manager at the end.
[EDIT]: And we're at $499k.
There's also an add-on with just the mechs of the two current starter boxes, 10 mechs for $40, which is not too bad.
I prefer this version of the Turkina. While those old Tech Readout line artwork were "cool" in the 80's, I think Catalyst could really step it up with some new artwork.
I wish I could have backed at the "Star Colonel" level. I really wanted a Mechwarrior named "Tam Wulf" in the cannon. I bet Catalyst is kicking themselves for not doing this KS earlier. Far too many Neckbeards complain about the Clans and say the best BTech is the Succession Wars or 3025. Hah! I think this KS proves that more people are Clanners then Inner Sphere Freebirths.
Kara Sloan shoots through Time and Design Space for a Negative Play Experience
2019/07/18 13:53:14
Subject: BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
I wish I could have backed at the "Star Colonel" level. I really wanted a Mechwarrior named "Tam Wulf" in the cannon. I bet Catalyst is kicking themselves for not doing this KS earlier. Far too many Neckbeards complain about the Clans and say the best BTech is the Succession Wars or 3025. Hah! I think this KS proves that more people are Clanners then Inner Sphere Freebirths.
I think it only proves that if you KS Battletech, people gives you money
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2019/07/18 14:55:46
Subject: Re:BattleTech: Clan invasion coming to Kickstarter.
But, to make my case for Battletech being a miniatures game:
Fine and I'll summarily destroy your argument.
Spoiler:
Battletech has rules for line of sight, terrain, etc. therefore it is a miniatures game.
No it's not. because those rules don't interact with the minis at all. the line of sight, terrain etc is entirely set by the hexmap the game is played on. yes you can play with a mini to mark your unit. but it's not required. you can play Battletech with monopoly markers, toe nail clippings etc. Ohh BTW D&D also has rules for terrain, line of sight etc. but D&D isn't a table top mini game.
Battletech has a points-based system for creating balanced forces therefore it is a miniatures game.
Absolutely irrelevant, using points as a balancing agent is hardly unique to Mini games. it's a feature of tabletop wargames yes, of which battletech is. but it's not a MINIATURES GAME.
Battletech has a huge range of (outdated) miniatures therefore it is a miniatures game
D&D also has a huge range of miniatures. therefore is D&D a minitures game? you seem to think RPGs are the only valid use of Minis in gaming outside of outright mini games. they're not.
The only reason an argument for it being "miniatures optional" as BrianDavion claims is because the game never dropped the holdover rules from 1st and 2nd edition. The game was, and continues to be crippled by that decision. But yeah, a 1000+ SKU model range is merely optional
the rules for running battletech as a miniatures game isn't even in the core rules. Yes using minis as markers is the norm. but that no more makes it a mini game then fething Monopoly is.I repeat the rules to run Battletech as a mini game ala warhammer 40k. with minis marking line of sight, actual terrain etc, is NOT in the core rule book. (nor should it be the scale on so many of the minis is aweful because they're not really designed with mini gaming ala warhammer or hoards etc in mind)
That mindset is why Battletech has been on life support for two decades. The game is a miniatures game that was never properly marketed, and its development was hindered by a refusal to drop the beer-and-pretzel-1980's-boxed-game mindset that it began with but from which it has long since moved on.
I'll agree on the poor marketing 100% (I've often said that the biggest screw up in battletech's history was the video games being called Mechwarrior and not Battletech) but the game isn't a minis game. and thats not a bad thing. I've seen people look at the cost involved in getting into mini games like 40k and walk away, Battletech by comparison is dirt cheap. but no Battletech isn't a mini game. I don't need minis to play it. this had lead to a very VERY differant approuch to the game from a mini game. Mini games make the bulk of their money from mini sales the rules are produced occasionally and editions make changes to push sales (see 40k) battletech meanwhile is very sourcebook driven. when GW started pushing out their codex supplements the reaction was pretty negitive, a buncha lore and 1 or 2 pages of rules. In battletech that's basicly the norm. it's a table top wargame but the game is developed almost more like a RPG then say... warhammer
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Having LOS/terrain rules does not make you a miniatures game, especially when said rules are binary and are played out in 2 dimensions.
I don't see what "having points for balance" has anything to do with miniatures games.
And it has a range of miniatures that are 100% optional. You can play the game with coins.
Alpha Strike is a miniatures game. BattleTech is not.
as evidanced by where the rules to play battletech as a minis game are located (in Alpha strike) when your core rule book doesn't have the rule;s to play your game as a mini game. it's not a mini game
Miniature wargaming is a form of wargaming in which players enact battles between opposing military forces that are represented by miniature physical models. The use of physical models to represent military units is in contrast to other tabletop wargames that use abstract pieces such as counters or blocks, or computer wargames which use virtual models. The primary benefit of using models is aesthetics, though in certain wargames the size and shape of the models can have practical consequences on how the match plays out.
n. A type of wargame that uses small three-dimensional lead or plastic figurines to represent military units to represent tactical-level conflict. Often these games have a high level of simulation or re-creation. Often such a game is not played on a board with marked off with spaces, but directly on the table or on model terrain and the determination of distances to be moved or fired is done by using a measuring tape or stick. (Wings of War (even without physical miniatures) is a good example--the maneuver cards are used to measure the movement of each plane.
As for some poeple mentioning that the existence of paper/plastic standees mean something no longer gets to be a miniature game, I'd remind them that Warhammer 40k, Chainmaille Skirmish, and Heavy Gear all featured official standees either currently or in the past. Hell, some historical miniature games are designed to use them instead of 3d representations. It's a silly bar to set.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.