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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Zond wrote:
So I always struggle a bit with Kickstarters that have a lot of options. What's the best way to get all the mechs currently?

If you don't want fluff, maps, etc... Just pledge $1 and buy each unlocked Lance pack for $20 a pop during the pledge manager. :-)

I don't think that will allow you to get the Clan Invasion pack mechs, but it's not exactly clear to say the least.

 H wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Zond wrote:
So I always struggle a bit with Kickstarters that have a lot of options. What's the best way to get all the mechs currently?

If you don't want fluff, maps, etc... Just pledge $1 and buy each unlocked Lance pack for $20 a pop during the pledge manager. :-)

I don't think that will allow you to get the Clan Invasion pack mechs, but it's not exactly clear to say the least.

Seems pretty clear that the $1 level will let you purchase additional Lance or Star packs that get unlocked in the course of the campaign.

Nurglitch wrote:
Seems pretty clear that the $1 level will let you purchase additional Lance or Star packs that get unlocked in the course of the campaign.

Yeah, but the "Clan Invasion Box" is not clearly "a Lance or Star pack that is unlocked in the course of the campaign." It might be construed as such, or might not, that isn't clear. At least not to me. Maybe it's just me though.

 Miguelsan wrote:
I'm surrounded by FedRats!

M.

 H wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Seems pretty clear that the $1 level will let you purchase additional Lance or Star packs that get unlocked in the course of the campaign.

Yeah, but the "Clan Invasion Box" is not clearly "a Lance or Star pack that is unlocked in the course of the campaign." It might be construed as such, or might not, that isn't clear. At least not to me. Maybe it's just me though.

Actually it's not just you. I can't find any way of getting your hands on those five mechs except for the Invasion box. Maybe it's been addressed in the comments? Kickstarter will let you upgrade or downgrade so you can pledge a dollar to read the comments and then re-pledge to $0.

Nurglitch wrote:
Actually it's not just you. I can't find any way of getting your hands on those five mechs except for the Invasion box. Maybe it's been addressed in the comments? Kickstarter will let you upgrade or downgrade so you can pledge a dollar to read the comments and then re-pledge to $0.

So, my guess is that you need the $50 level and then you can go the route of add-ons to get the mechs you want. It seems that there are basically 6 add-on Stars and 6 add-on Lances, which, would be $25 times 6 and $20 times 6, so, 150 in Clan add-ons and 120 in Inner Sphere add-ons. So, $320 for (one of) everything if you go that route. Contrast this with the $300 "Bloodname" package, which gives you "more mechs" but only half as many unique ones, since you get to choose 5 add-ons, then double them. Actually, the Bloodname package seems like terrible value, now that I think about it. That only gets one 10 add-ons, rather than 12...

Honestly, these pledge levels are not very intuitive, but I'm not a Kickstarter campaign expert. Seems to me that the "best" route, if one wants one of everything mini, is to get the $95 and then go with add-ons, as this will give you a $10 savings. At least I think so.

Zond wrote:
So I always struggle a bit with Kickstarters that have a lot of options. What's the best way to get all the mechs currently?

Price per mech, the 95 dollar pledge is the best. Everything higher than that starts giving you Tshirts, your name ona grain of rice (battletech character) or other super cool prestige items.

With the unlocked 2 Salvage Boxes (which are potentially the only way besides the box set to get the Box Set Star) you get 17 mechs, dropping the price to 5.58 per mech. And that's for at least 15 unique mechs, 17 if you're even moderately lucky on your Salvage boxes.

I wanted to limit myself to 200, and looked at the 150 because I thought the doubled stars would be good for my kids- but I can still get more mechs just buying stars with the 95.


Edit- even assuming the 50 dollar and all add ons route, there's a very slight advantage to going 95. After all, Box Set +2 Stars is 100. The 95 pledge is Box Set + 2 Stars. So you'll save 5 dollars going that way.

 H wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Actually it's not just you. I can't find any way of getting your hands on those five mechs except for the Invasion box. Maybe it's been addressed in the comments? Kickstarter will let you upgrade or downgrade so you can pledge a dollar to read the comments and then re-pledge to $0.

So, my guess is that you need the $50 level and then you can go the route of add-ons to get the mechs you want. It seems that there are basically 6 add-on Stars and 6 add-on Lances, which, would be $25 times 6 and $20 times 6, so, 150 in Clan add-ons and 120 in Inner Sphere add-ons. So, $320 for (one of) everything if you go that route. Contrast this with the $300 "Bloodname" package, which gives you "more mechs" but only half as many unique ones, since you get to choose 5 add-ons, then double them. Actually, the Bloodname package seems like terrible value, now that I think about it. That only gets one 10 add-ons, rather than 12...

Honestly, these pledge levels are not very intuitive, but I'm not a Kickstarter campaign expert. Seems to me that the "best" route, if one wants one of everything mini, is to get the $95 and then go with add-ons, as this will give you a $10 savings. At least I think so.

I think the $10 difference is that two non-add on lances get those free $7 blind buy boxes (Those Salvage boxes) included for "If taken as a backer level reward ..."). Which someone might like, or recoil from in disgust, depending on how they feel about blind buy boxes.

As someone not going to go into this kickstarter, but generally interested in Battletech, the real question to me is "will all these potentially lovely plastic 'mechs be available to buy retail in the future"?

Yes *


* if by "Available to buy" you mean listed on dozens of 3rd party sites as "Out of stock"


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Also did CGL ever clearly state that doubling up literally means two of the exact same thing you picked? I only want a minimal selection of Clan mechs and frankly the core set and salvage boxes are going to give me more than enough 'invaders' to use as target practice.. but my current $150 level only seems worth it if an IS pack doubled to two means I could pick two *different* IS packs. Otherwise I might have to re-think things.

The $150+ levels do give you duplicate lance/star packs, like it or not.

 Siygess wrote:
Yes *


* if by "Available to buy" you mean listed on dozens of 3rd party sites as "Out of stock"


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Also did CGL ever clearly state that doubling up literally means two of the exact same thing you picked? I only want a minimal selection of Clan mechs and frankly the core set and salvage boxes are going to give me more than enough 'invaders' to use as target practice.. but my current $150 level only seems worth it if an IS pack doubled to two means I could pick two *different* IS packs. Otherwise I might have to re-think things.

It appears to be straight duplicate sets. So for your $150 level, you'll get two boxes of whatever two stars/lances you select. I did the $95 pledge and am adding a bunch of stuff on. If they change the double boxes to just a normal "select X number of lances/stars", I think a bunch of folks would up their pledge level.

Maybe, but just doubling what's on offer really, really simplifies the logistics of delivering the product.

I'll become more excited when the Rewards and Goals become more "Free with Pledge" and less "Add On to Pledge".

I do like the look of the new sculpts, but I'm one of the rare BT players that has several hundred Original metal IS Mechs from the 80's....

"Free with pledge" is one of those things that sounds good, but are a danger to the KS actually delivering. It's good they're covering their costs rather than over-promising.

Every KS I've backed has delivered, except 1.

We all knew that would turn into a shitshow, but still believed.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Every KS I've backed has delivered, except 1.

We all knew that would turn into a shitshow, but still believed.

Pretty much the same - backed quite a lot as a Superbacker - large and tiny companies/single people.

Even got what backed from Robotech - unlike many!

 Miguelsan wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I'm a bit confused about the KS. If I want the IS lances I either order them as add ons or have to go to the Star Captain level and get saddled with a Clan Invasion box I didn't want to beging with.

Honestly I was thinking there would be a lower level pledge with just an Omni Star/IS mech lance option.

M.

If you just want the IS lances, then yeah, pledge at the $1 level and then just add the amount of money to equal the lance packs you want ($60, I think).

That's actually kind of tempting. Never been much of a Clan fan myself - I always liked the 3025-3039 era. I blame Stackpole and his Warrior trilogy.

My main issue is that living in Japan I'm going to be hit badly by the shipping (60$ for just the AGoAC box!) So I'm keen to avoid things that don't add much value to my games like Omnis

M.

I'm lucky in that regard. My contract will be over by the time this delivers, assuming it's on time.

 Siygess wrote:
Yes *


* if by "Available to buy" you mean listed on dozens of 3rd party sites as "Out of stock"

Jokes aside the point of the KS is precisely this, to build enough cash to bring out a new Clan box and still have enough to order reprints of the basic boxes when the stock runs low.

M.

 Gitzbitah wrote:

Zond wrote:
So I always struggle a bit with Kickstarters that have a lot of options. What's the best way to get all the mechs currently?

Price per mech, the 95 dollar pledge is the best. Everything higher than that starts giving you Tshirts, your name ona grain of rice (battletech character) or other super cool prestige items.

I'm SUPER tempted to buy the BT character official name addon, even if it's just a throwaway mention in some Ebook. For over 20 years I've had my merc company lead by 2 characters depending on Era, the original mech pilot that started the company for succession wars games and his clansman protege who joined and takes over for clan wars era games. I have a similar captain in my head for all my Federation Commander games, that Captain became "official" (well, as official as any random MMO character anyways) as my Star Trek Online main character, I'd love to make the BT merc commanders "official" too, even if it's just for me.

 Kalamadea wrote:

I'm SUPER tempted to buy the BT character official name addon, even if it's just a throwaway mention in some Ebook. For over 20 years I've had my merc company lead by 2 characters depending on Era, the original mech pilot that started the company for succession wars games and his clansman protege who joined and takes over for clan wars era games. I have a similar captain in my head for all my Federation Commander games, that Captain became "official" (well, as official as any random MMO character anyways) as my Star Trek Online main character, I'd love to make the BT merc commanders "official" too, even if it's just for me.

They haven’t really given much in the way of details on how this will be implemented, especially at the lower levels. Frankly, I’d be surprised if it was anything other than something like on page 123 of 124 of the forthcoming Clan Baby Wipes supplement, there will be a passage ‘The following Clan Officers were present at the Batchall’. Followed by a list of Kickstarter backers. Of which half of it will be some variant of IP Freely, Amanda Huggandkiss, Mike Hunt, and xxxMechwarrior69xxx.

Here's a thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZEdE0vhCQ2qCR2XX4URSZQeUf-SIwUBMg3uAEqIYplU/edit#gid=0

That's a nifty tool to keep track of the stuff we get at each level.

M.

Vulture, Banshee and Dragonfly from Twitter...

That Vulture is sexy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Vulture is sexy.

Agreed. It looks a bit more like the Vulture Mk III and Vulture Mk IV than the original does (and that's a good thing).

But at the same time it's 100% a Vulture without MechWarrior 4-ing the design.

Oh man all of those look awesome!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But at the same time it's 100% a Vulture without MechWarrior 4-ing the design.

I think that is my favorite version of the Vulture, TBH.

I hate the Mk4 - the "arm" guns look so weird and bad on their swivels.

The MW4 Vulture is certainly nice, but it's a different 'Mech. I like that they then made it into a canon different 'Mech.

I mean, apparently that's also how we got the Mad Cat Mk.II. That design was going to be the Mad Cat in that game, but so many people were like "Yeah but where's the actual Mad Cat?" that they made it its own thing and put in a more traditional Mad Cat.