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what you're not gonna paint em up as "Davion guards with excessive levels of salvage"?

on another note for those looking for offical paint schemes check out camo specs online http://camospecs.com/

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New stretch goals are up.

Firstly:


That's a damned sexy Marauder.

(Hope the pic worked)

The new goals are opening up the annihilated/absorbed Clans for faction pacs, dice etc. So if you're a die-hard Wolverine, Mongoose or Widowmaker fan, they've got you covered.

Another Lance/Star pack, contents undetermined, as they're going to the community for ideas (I will lobby for The Egg Men to get made!).

Opening up Kell Hounds and Wolf's Dragoons for faction packs, dice, etc.

Another new Lance/Star pack, again by the community.

And then the $1m stretch goal just says this:

Late winter branches
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My guess? Specific faction Lances/Stars, starting with a Kurita Lance.

EDIT: Don't know if this got posted, but 3D of the Archer.

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I think we blasted through all their goals and now they have decided to be careful, and that's a good thing. I second the Urbie lance, it needs to be done.

After reading what Randall wrote about how they pick the mechs for the packs I can agree with the out of universe explanations, but trying to group the mechs by roles as stated in Campaign Operations makes me laugh. Most of the official books had perplexing choices for the lances that boil down to "it's the only thing we had available" Urbies paired with fast mechs. Archers with Stingers, slow heavies heading recon lances...

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lance assignments have always been a little.. odd in battletech, go back as far as the early 3025 days and you see some strange pairings.

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 Miguelsan wrote:
I think we blasted through all their goals and now they have decided to be careful, and that's a good thing. I second the Urbie lance, it needs to be done.

After reading what Randall wrote about how they pick the mechs for the packs I can agree with the out of universe explanations, but trying to group the mechs by roles as stated in Campaign Operations makes me laugh. Most of the official books had perplexing choices for the lances that boil down to "it's the only thing we had available" Urbies paired with fast mechs. Archers with Stingers, slow heavies heading recon lances...

M.


but that's military operations ?

Quite often units are formed in wartime with whats available, plus add in, House preferences (Steiner Recon Lance) that salvage is a major thing (just like in WWII) and 'Mech production being variable in different Houses, regions etc.

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yeah remember for a good 300 years mech units wheren't built from what was ideal. they where built from what they had on hand.

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Late winter branches
Brittle, baren, bedeviled
Early spring surprised

My guess? Specific faction Lances/Stars, starting with a Kurita Lance


Some speculation that this referers to Tukayyid....

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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If anyone wants me to go over the other Lance packs and their pros/cons, just let me know. I always love talking endlessly about 'Mech variants.


When fulfillment time hits. You should just make a separate thread or article breaking down every pack and mech currently available (including the beginner box and game of armored combat box for the noobs). It would be a super useful and interesting read.
   
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Disregard

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Late winter branches
Brittle, baren, bedeviled
Early spring surprised

My guess? Specific faction Lances/Stars, starting with a Kurita Lance


Some speculation that this referers to Tukayyid....



seems unlikely. if it's a clan invasion battle it's more likely Luthein. fought in january, on the homeworld of House Kurita, won in part by the suprise apperance of the kell hound and wolfs dragoons merc units showing up


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balmong7 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If anyone wants me to go over the other Lance packs and their pros/cons, just let me know. I always love talking endlessly about 'Mech variants.


When fulfillment time hits. You should just make a separate thread or article breaking down every pack and mech currently available (including the beginner box and game of armored combat box for the noobs). It would be a super useful and interesting read.


honestly, the best advise I can give you is go over to sarna.net and look them up. play styles differ and battletech is insanely well balanced so, assuming you use BV, it'll all come down to how you wanna play

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BrianDavion wrote:
what you're not gonna paint em up as "Davion guards with excessive levels of salvage"?

on another note for those looking for offical paint schemes check out camo specs online http://camospecs.com/


Yeah... not going for that plan.

I think that the Ghost Bears would be fun and it gives me a legitimate reason to get a Kodiak. I've never been into the whole IS unit with half of it being Clantech, although the new IS minis are going to give me an opportunity to fulfil a 20 year old dream... Camacho's Cabelleros, baby!
   
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 Chillreaper wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
what you're not gonna paint em up as "Davion guards with excessive levels of salvage"?

on another note for those looking for offical paint schemes check out camo specs online http://camospecs.com/


Yeah... not going for that plan.

I think that the Ghost Bears would be fun and it gives me a legitimate reason to get a Kodiak. I've never been into the whole IS unit with half of it being Clantech, although the new IS minis are going to give me an opportunity to fulfil a 20 year old dream... Camacho's Cabelleros, baby!


but but.. operation bulldog! j/k

yeah me neither TBH.

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Operation Bulldog, also known as the best part of the BTech timeline. If it could only be forever 3058.

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly, the best advise I can give you is go over to sarna.net and look them up. play styles differ and battletech is insanely well balanced so, assuming you use BV, it'll all come down to how you wanna play
Yeah but then I don't get to write a bunch of stuff.

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gak, if this goes high enough they might actually do my ELH faction pack after all...
   
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I'd like a Dragoons lance. Imp, Annihilator, Shogun and maybe a Hoplite.

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One thing they could start doing is putting out omnimech varients, such as a MAD Cat A, etc.

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So can Clan players use IS models as refits?

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Just shy of 4000 backers.

 zend wrote:
So can Clan players use IS models as refits?
It depends on the point in the timeline you're playing. Playing in 3049, right at the start of the Clan invasion? No. The Inner Sphere don't understand what the Clans even are, let alone what their 'Mechs and technology does. Playing during the during the middle of the Jihad Era in 3075, by then ClanTech has proliferated enough that elite units have a number from salvage, some more than others. The later you go, the more common it becomes.

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If I remember correctly, the Clans did make use of captured Inner Sphere equipment for use by garrisons during the invasion. If you're doing a scenario you might run into a few Inner Sphere 'mechs used by the Clans, but in general during the invasion the Clans would strictly be using Clan equipment.

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Gotcha. Was asking because I think a Warhammer painted in Smoke Jaguars colors would be sexy, but RIP, the SJ clan dies well before 3075.

I’m a newbie to both the setting and the game, but this Kickstarter seems like a great jump on point for both collecting and playing. I’ll probably grab the IS Battle Lance in the $95 tier anyways, I love the Warhammer design.
   
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There are a couple of IS mechs that the clans built as garrison units.

They usually have a 'C' designation, such as Warhammer C, Thunderbolt C, ect. These are IS mechs, with clan weapons, where as the IIC's are entirely clan machines, and may be different tonnages from the original model. (A Marauder IIC is 85 tons for example)
   
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Clan Tech is way, way better then the best the Inner Sphere has until ComStar suddenly says "Hey guys! Look! We opened up this 250 year old hanger, and it's full of pristine Star League Defense Force Tech!". Which would still be 250 years behind what the Clans would have developed in that time, but FASA made a goof and gave the Clans tech that was just a little too good.

In game terms, I can't think of any time I would choose an Inner Sphere mech over a Clan mech of the same tonnage. Which led to this weird BV of Clan mechs where a clan medium mech would have the same BV of an Inner Sphere heavy. And the Clan medium mech would probably win in that match up. There is zero reason to take an Inner Sphere mech over a Clan mech when you have access to them. It's like playing a totally different game when you use Clan Mechs (especially the Omnimechs).

In the later years (3058?) of the Invasion, we started to see second line Clan Mechs like the Maruader IIC, or the Warhammer IIC. Iconic Inner Sphere mechs remade with Clan Tech.

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 Tamwulf wrote:
Clan Tech is way, way better then the best the Inner Sphere has until ComStar suddenly says "Hey guys! Look! We opened up this 250 year old hanger, and it's full of pristine Star League Defense Force Tech!". Which would still be 250 years behind what the Clans would have developed in that time, but FASA made a goof and gave the Clans tech that was just a little too good.


If only the various companies involved had decades to fix that mistake! If only....

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 zend wrote:
So can Clan players use IS models as refits?



I don't know if this is a good idea to recommend the Master Unit List at this point in time.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter

If you put your mech of choice in the search box, you'll get a list of all of the variants - and I mean all of them. Might be enough to scare the ever-living mech coolant out of you!

Variants with a C suffix are Clan refits of IS models, those with a IIC suffix are different mechs entirely that are basically spiritual successors.

   
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 zend wrote:
Gotcha. Was asking because I think a Warhammer painted in Smoke Jaguars colors would be sexy, but RIP, the SJ clan dies well before 3075.

I’m a newbie to both the setting and the game, but this Kickstarter seems like a great jump on point for both collecting and playing. I’ll probably grab the IS Battle Lance in the $95 tier anyways, I love the Warhammer design.


Oh, they've got you covered! The Clan Support Star has a Warhammer IIC, which is the Clan version of the Warhammer. It also looks really, really cool, even in its ancient 80s version.

Spoiler:


I'm so glad it's going to plastic. That monster lost its arms more times than I can count when I had the metal model.

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What are the quality of the minis like. I was looking at close ups of the beginners and existing main set and the minis detail quality and plastic used looks a bit iffy although I could be wrong. Will these new minis be of that same quality and plastic?

Really loved the minis detail quality and plastic on the recent Hellboy KS. If these new BattleTech minis were going to be of the same standard? I could be interested in this KS otherwise not. In truth the Hellboy minis were all great and Mantic really delivered on the KS production values.

The KS minis look really nice in their 3D modelling but that doesn’t always translate into the final product/what you get.

Also the KS shows you can buy the original box set minis for 40USD, will these be refreshed or just what they were before?

The quality of the minis is a big part of a KS for me or any minis game for that matter and I have had a bad experience in the past with Merc’s Recon (Just used a terrible plastic and some dodgy detailing/sculpting) so I am always dubious now unless the developer comes up with some real pictures or great assurances. Hellboy was a great example of great quality minis delivery on a KS.

Hopefully someone from Catalyst actually reads Dakka and can give a response but I doubt it. Would be great to see an actual real mini to see the quality and know what plastic was going to be used. Maybe it would be a good opportunity for them to upgrade the existing minis quality in this KS if they were at the lower end?

Also why are they doing this double forces deal on the pledges, I don’t want more of the same and would much rather get a different lance pack, seems a really counter productive part of the pledge options for them.

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 warboss wrote:
If only the various companies involved had decades to fix that mistake! If only....
But that's just it. It wasn't a mistake.

The only 'mistake' I believe is the apocryphal story that Clan LRMs were meant to have a min range of 3 hexes, but got set to 0 by mistake.

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In short, the minis are above board game quality by maybe a step, but in no way are comparable to things produced by GW, say. From the sounds of it, you will likely be disappointed by them.

As far as the doubling up goes, it sucks for backers. But it makes total 100% sense from an ease of fulfillment standpoint. Having to pick 10 different lances for a Star Colonel is way harder than two each of five. Now multiply that by thousands of backers with multiple choices....

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Thanks for your input totalfailure, sounds like this KS won’t be for me if the minis quality is less than that of the Hellboy KS which is a shame.

Really I don’t understand the double forces rationale. People will just be buying multiple different lances anyway on the add ons in the pledge manager so they are going to get complex orders anyway. This was a terrible decision by them IMO, forcing backers to get what they don’t want is a case of self harm to the KS.

The other thing I liked about the Hellboy KS was from memory the designer and another Mantic staff member was very active within the KS comments.

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