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Smoke Jaguar needs a new Stone Rhino...

Well I put in my suggestions:

Behemoth
Highlander IIC
Viper
Guillotine IIC
Grizzly

Night Gyr
Linebacker
[SOMETHING]
Pouncer
Phantom

Imp
Urbanmech
Urbanmech
Urbanmech IIC

So some of the designs they've shown look like the MWO redesigns. Are they using a number of those or no? Cause a number of the Clan Mechs look like they are using that redesign, but then on the Inner Sphere side, we have the Marauder which looks like a cross between an older design and the MWO design.

I've backed, cant resist me some mechs, tempted to back for much more.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
So some of the designs they've shown look like the MWO redesigns. Are they using a number of those or no? Cause a number of the Clan Mechs look like they are using that redesign, but then on the Inner Sphere side, we have the Marauder which looks like a cross between an older design and the MWO design.

I've backed, cant resist me some mechs, tempted to back for much more.

No. MechWarrior Online is by Piranha Games and is not affiliated with Catalyst Game Labs. They look similar because they both started with the original FASA designs, although CGL is trying to stay closer to those original designs (when they can) compared to Piranha.

Ah ok.

 Ghaz wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
So some of the designs they've shown look like the MWO redesigns. Are they using a number of those or no? Cause a number of the Clan Mechs look like they are using that redesign, but then on the Inner Sphere side, we have the Marauder which looks like a cross between an older design and the MWO design.

I've backed, cant resist me some mechs, tempted to back for much more.

No. MechWarrior Online is by Piranha Games and is not affiliated with Catalyst Game Labs. They look similar because they both started with the original FASA designs, although CGL is trying to stay closer to those original designs (when they can) compared to Piranha.

With a couple caveats:

* Piranha Games and Catalyst have an agreement to share 3d models. It's no coincidence that most of the IS Mechs in MWO showed up as Battletech miniatures. They just posed the MWO model.
* They've shared a surprising number of concept artists

Plus, navigating the IP that is Battletech licensing is a labyrinth that would make David Bowie think twice.

I don’t think that first part is true. Piranha Games allows individuals to access their 3D models for personal use, but the folks selling resin casts of MWO models are technically not supposed to (probably why they’re all in Eastern Europe). It may have provided a bit of impetus for CGL to hurry up and update those old sculpts already, because you’d be crazy to buy them when bootleg MWO minis look so much better.

Microsoft owns the MWO designs; Piranha uses them under license.

CGL owns the tabletop game’s designs. IronWind Metals has the primary right to sell models based on those designs, but CGL can sell models too, as long as they’re in packs of more than one mini and they include rules (Alpha Strike cards count). CGL can’t copy Microsoft’s art, but recent court cases like GW vs. Chapterhouse Studios tightened the definition of copying. For example, the Lu Wei Bing (a later-era Capellan mech based on the Victor) is basically a copy of the MWO Victor with a different right arm. It’s the closest thing I’ve seen to a direct copy.

At least one of CGL’s artists has said he isn’t a fan of all the boxy weapons on the MWO mechs, so that, at least, will be different in the new sculpts. They’re less polygonal in general – the Catapult’s torso is a good example.

 Sacredroach wrote:
Smoke Jaguar needs a new Stone Rhino...

The Reaper/CAV OGRE model is pretty much a perfect stand-in, although it's just slightly too large. It barely fits on a hex base but it still works great for a 100 ton mech called a Behemoth. Most of the CAV stuff is very mediocre, but that's been my favorite stand-ins since they discontinued the original for looking very ever so roughly like a macross MAC II Monster (even though they only bear the barest resemblance to each other).

Dissapointed in the urban mech and stalker not being redone yet, those 2 are pretty much classics and some of the best original FASA designs. Well, Urbie is an awful awful awful mech, but it's exactly all the right kinds of awful

The Kickstarter has just passed ONE MILLION DOLLARS!



New stretch goals have already been posted for the next $500K. News from the BattleTech forum on the composition of the $850K and $950K lances/stars is “… we've already tallied the votes and the comments, and have started discussion.” so hopefully we'll know soon.

welp finally put my backing downl, just went with blood named level for now, might adjust up towards the end of the kickstart if I begin to look like I have the money. the big appeal of the star colonel or higher, getting your name in canon holds less appeal when it's already happened.

If that 1.5m gets unlocked I may have to reconsider my pledge.

I'm in this all the way - every single Lance/Star/Level II - as I want it all, but if the $300 double forces becomes "Just pick 10 packs!" then that could change things.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If that 1.5m gets unlocked I may have to reconsider my pledge.

I'm in this all the way - every single Lance/Star/Level II - as I want it all, but if the $300 double forces becomes "Just pick 10 packs!" then that could change things.

Remember, at Star Colonel, you already got a bonus 'Orbital Drop' choice as a pack which Catalyst said would be doubled, too. So you would be getting 12 individual packs, 5 mechs in the game, and 2 salvage boxes, for 67 in all. That was the $500,001 stretch goal.

My calculations show that it's not any cheaper.

Star Captain adding every 'Mech pack vs Star Colonel. The Colonel pledge is 25-35 more, give or take. You get the faction pack, but I don't care about that.

So I'd rather save the money. Plus I'll get the map pack for free, which means I might get the Strana Mechty one.

 Mattlov wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So I take it its literally impossible for new players to get started, considering both starter boxes don't seem to exist? Where does one even start as the volume of books is incomprehensible?

Yep. Out of stock. If that's what you mean by having 19 of them available. And that's just this site.

https://www.ariesgamesandminis.com/index.php/shopping/product/2596-battletech-beginner-box-set.html

That's pretty unfair to quote a month+ old post, the starter set WAS completely out of stock and going for crazy amounts on eBay when that post was made. The starter was only VERY recently restocked (I'd imagine to coincide with the KS), which makes me happy AF because I FINALLY was able to pick up a starter off of Miniature Market that just arrived yesterday. Spent a few hours tonight cleaning and modifying them and watching Tex/BlackPantsLegion Battletech videogame playthroughs.

Well curiosity got the better of me and I bought a copy of AGOAC which arrived this morning. Believe it or not? I am a fan of Battletech, it’s just the minis have been so disappointing for so long it’s been a complete turn off. Also I had to know their current quality first hand and if they reflected the ones I saw in the vid posted by Ghaz.

So what were my thoughts on them?



So with the above said, I am in on this KS. Looks like posts on quality and plastic are already being raised so will be interesting to see how CGL reacts. If they were going to make slight adjustment to the minis production? Now is definitely the time to do it as it will be a lot easier to change the process for 9 minis than 101 post the KS. CGL has an opportunity now to put the minis in the next bracket up in quality, they shouldn’t waste it IMO and backers should be holding CGL’s feet to fire on it.

Also great to see that the double forces issue will likely go away so long as the KS hits 1.5mil, which it should do. Just waiting shipping costs before deciding how I go.

Lastly does anyone know when the beginners box will be restocked in the UK, there doesn’t seem to be one B&M or online shop stocking them in the land.

they're probably waiting for another batch to come in from the US

(or waiting for another batch from china to come in to the US and then get sent to the UK if there are any spares after all the US distribution orders are sent out)

I know Wayland games has them when they can get them and will send you an email when they re-stock if you sign up for it, so try that (and as many other places as you can find that will do the same)

They have said that the Beginner Box will be something that can be added in the pledge manager at the end, so if you don't find it between then and now you can add it to this.

Sort of annoying they only put the Griffin in the beginners box, especially when the only retailers who seem to have them in stock are in the USA and after shipping and taxes you could almost buy the AGOAC set so not worth it at all.

If Catalyst want a wider audience they will need to make their product more readily available outside the USA.

One of my main reasons for doing this KS is to get stuff hard to get in Uk

 Chimaera wrote:
Sort of annoying they only put the Griffin in the beginners box, especially when the only retailers who seem to have them in stock are in the USA and after shipping and taxes you could almost buy the AGOAC set so not worth it at all.

If Catalyst want a wider audience they will need to make their product more readily available outside the USA.

I still don't get why the Wolverine was repeated in the Beginner's Box and the AGOAC set. They couldn't have picked another mech to put in either box? Maybe drop the Wolverine from AGOAC and put a Dervish or something?

 infinite_array wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
Sort of annoying they only put the Griffin in the beginners box, especially when the only retailers who seem to have them in stock are in the USA and after shipping and taxes you could almost buy the AGOAC set so not worth it at all.

If Catalyst want a wider audience they will need to make their product more readily available outside the USA.

I still don't get why the Wolverine was repeated in the Beginner's Box and the AGOAC set. They couldn't have picked another mech to put in either box? Maybe drop the Wolverine from AGOAC and put a Dervish or something?

well you see sir, that second Wolverine is actually the rare Minnasotta battlemech!

You'll only get this if you're a true fan

that are the contents of the boxes where decided by a marvel comics executive.

Gonna be interesting to see what the funding numbers do over the next few days in light of PGI and their MW5 debacle.

Sterling191 wrote:
Gonna be interesting to see what the funding numbers do over the next few days in light of PGI and their MW5 debacle.

you mean their decision to release on the epic games store? yeah I'm a bit annoyed as I'd rather it be on steam.

BrianDavion wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Gonna be interesting to see what the funding numbers do over the next few days in light of PGI and their MW5 debacle.

you mean their decision to release on the epic games store? yeah I'm a bit annoyed as I'd rather it be on steam.

Its worse than that. They funded it by promising it would be on Steam, and quietly removed all reference to that on their KS just days ago, saying they never made such a claim. Problem is, they're idiots and once something is on the internet its their forever, and they got busted being scumbags.

Plus nuking their mod community from orbit.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Gonna be interesting to see what the funding numbers do over the next few days in light of PGI and their MW5 debacle.

you mean their decision to release on the epic games store? yeah I'm a bit annoyed as I'd rather it be on steam.

Its worse than that. They funded it by promising it would be on Steam, and quietly removed all reference to that on their KS just days ago, saying they never made such a claim. Problem is, they're idiots and once something is on the internet its their forever, and they got busted being scumbags.

jesus, that was bad. that said it shou;dn't imapct things tooo much. CGL isn't Piranaha.

BrianDavion wrote:


jesus, that was bad. that said it shou;dn't imapct things tooo much. CGL isn't Piranaha.

You misunderstand. More than a few irate folks are going to be refunding MW5 pre-orders. That creates additional funding that may or may not be put into the CGL column.

Though I imagine having a PGI stretch goal on the table now may put a damper on some of that.

BrianDavion wrote:


well you see sir, that second Wolverine is actually the rare Minnasotta battlemech!

You'll only get this if you're a true fan

I need to read Betrayal of Ideals, apparently.

I was looking forward to MW5. 'Was' being the active word in that sentence.

Good thing this KS can't go Epic exclusive.

 Chimaera wrote:
If Catalyst want a wider audience they will need to make their product more readily available outside the USA.

Just bought the beginner box, A Game of Armoured Combat, and the new map pack from a local Australian retailer. *shrugs*

 infinite_array wrote:
I still don't get why the Wolverine was repeated in the Beginner's Box and the AGOAC set. They couldn't have picked another mech to put in either box? Maybe drop the Wolverine from AGOAC and put a Dervish or something?

That annoys me greatly. If they wanted something around that range, a Centurion or Hunchback would'a done. Not that I need more of either, but at least it wouldn't be a duplicate.