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H.B.M.C. wrote: I was looking forward to MW5. 'Was' being the active word in that sentence.
Good thing this KS can't go Epic exclusive.
Chimaera wrote: If Catalyst want a wider audience they will need to make their product more readily available outside the USA.
Just bought the beginner box, A Game of Armoured Combat, and the new map pack from a local Australian retailer. *shrugs*
infinite_array wrote: I still don't get why the Wolverine was repeated in the Beginner's Box and the AGOAC set. They couldn't have picked another mech to put in either box? Maybe drop the Wolverine from AGOAC and put a Dervish or something?
That annoys me greatly. If they wanted something around that range, a Centurion or Hunchback would'a done. Not that I need more of either, but at least it wouldn't be a duplicate.
yeah, epic seems to be scooping a lotta excusive deals but I just got a hunch it's going to be mostly forgotten about, used begrudgingly for the handful of exclsuvie games and mostly serving as a deterrant to those games sucuess..
kinda like every other non-steam platform
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I wonder if they intended to do an alternative to the wolverine for one of the two packs, but it just didn't work out either in sculpting or tooling,
so the alternatives was to double one of their other mechs up, or spend a bunch more money redoing thing (or at best wait an age for another tooling slot even if they got the work done for free),
Catalyst seems short enough on ready capital to have gone for the former option rather than the latter
It’s all very exciting! BUT please guys keep in mind this is CGL. Some of this stuff won’t be delivered for years, most likely, if at all. I am in for Star Cpt but I’m probably not shelling out for anything not promised for the minimum first wave.
What's the big deal about MW5 being an Epic Studios exclusive? Is it just a matter of people wanting all their games on one launcher platform or is Epic a problem company? Genuinely curious why it's such a problem since I don't do a lot of PC gaming beyond MMOs
Kalamadea wrote: What's the big deal about MW5 being an Epic Studios exclusive? Is it just a matter of people wanting all their games on one launcher platform or is Epic a problem company? Genuinely curious why it's such a problem since I don't do a lot of PC gaming beyond MMOs
Theres several concerns, some general to the Epic store, others specific to this game. The general ones are the incredibly shady way that Epic is trying to build their cartel, by bribing their suppliers not to sell on other platforms, running a frankly terrible platform (from both a user experience and user safety angle), and being all around donkey-caves when it comes to well, anything.
The specific issues are that PGI have been taking pre-orders for months while advertising that it would launch on Steam, while knowing that they would be going Epic exclusive (the exclusivity deal was apparently signed back in April, and only revealed yesterday), subsequently trying to erase all mention of said non-Epic games exclusivity from their Kickstarter, and painting the whole picture as "The bag of cash Epic handed us didnt matter, and we totally didnt get our release window fethed because of Borderlands 3". Oh and delaying an already chronically delayed game. PGI is not an organization with a good rep for community relations. This situation is pouring gasoline on flames that have been burning for years.
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For those going heavily into this kickstarter, are the designs significantly better than the already updated versions of mechs in Mechwarrior Online? I recently found probably a hundred free mech designs from that game for free download on thingiverse and was curious as to the opinions on a comparison. Some of them have been there for a while but I only bothered to search for them on a lark because of this kickstarter. I don't actually have a 3d printer (yet... fingers crossed!) but it seems like a free goldmine with zero risk unlike kickstarters.
Your's sincerely, a kickstarter backer whose first and only real crowdfunding experience was unfortunately Robotech Tactics.
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warboss wrote: For those going heavily into this kickstarter, are the designs significantly better than the already updated versions of mechs in Mechwarrior Online? I recently found probably a hundred free mech designs from that game for free download on thingiverse and was curious as to the opinions on a comparison. Some of them have been there for a while but I only bothered to search for them on a lark because of this kickstarter. I don't actually have a 3d printer (yet... fingers crossed!) but it seems like a free goldmine with zero risk unlike kickstarters.
Your's sincerely, a kickstarter backer whose first and only real crowdfunding experience was unfortunately Robotech Tactics.
I think that CGL's designs are nicer than the MWO ones. Definitely a subjective opinion, there, but there you go.
I've got a fair few of the MWO minis and whilst they're a big improvement on the old ones, they seem to share a similar design ethic - not a bad one, mind you, but having stared at them in mini form and in the BT computer game form, sometimes I have to concentrate to work out what's what. No such problem with the CGL minis; I remember looking at the previews for the AGOAC box and thinking "that's a Battlemaster! That's a Shadowhawk! That's a... a... Thunderbolt... I think..."
If we'd been provided with MWO designs, I'd still have been happy, but I like the newer designs even more.
The STL’s May be “free”, but you need to factor in the cost and time of the 3D printer - personally, I’ve been underwhelmed with the results and frustration of getting quality 3D prints that I’ve handled.
warboss wrote: For those going heavily into this kickstarter, are the designs significantly better than the already updated versions of mechs in Mechwarrior Online? I recently found probably a hundred free mech designs from that game for free download on thingiverse and was curious as to the opinions on a comparison. Some of them have been there for a while but I only bothered to search for them on a lark because of this kickstarter. I don't actually have a 3d printer (yet... fingers crossed!) but it seems like a free goldmine with zero risk unlike kickstarters.
Your's sincerely, a kickstarter backer whose first and only real crowdfunding experience was unfortunately Robotech Tactics.
Spoiler:
ORIGINAL WOLVERINE
UPDATED WOLVERINE
MECHWARRIOR ONLINE WOLVERINE
As you can see, the updated art that CGL is using is closer to the original art than what MWO is using.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Nurglitch wrote: Speaking of, here's a finished miniature version of what I believe is AGOAC's Wolverine model, for comparison to the 2D art.
Spoiler:
Yes that should be the new Wolverine model painted by one of the CamoSpecs painters on the CamoSpecs Online Facebook page.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Chillreaper wrote:I think that CGL's designs are nicer than the MWO ones. Definitely a subjective opinion, there, but there you go.
I've got a fair few of the MWO minis and whilst they're a big improvement on the old ones, they seem to share a similar design ethic - not a bad one, mind you, but having stared at them in mini form and in the BT computer game form, sometimes I have to concentrate to work out what's what. No such problem with the CGL minis; I remember looking at the previews for the AGOAC box and thinking "that's a Battlemaster! That's a Shadowhawk! That's a... a... Thunderbolt... I think..."
If we'd been provided with MWO designs, I'd still have been happy, but I like the newer designs even more.
I asked for opinions so it would be foolish for me to think they're not subjective unless you're doing a strict accuracy comparison of the translation of one medium to another (like going from 2d drawings to 3d models in this case). I do like the new designs as well but I'm not particuarly partial to them over the MWO ones hence my initial question.
Stormonu wrote:The STL’s May be “free”, but you need to factor in the cost and time of the 3D printer - personally, I’ve been underwhelmed with the results and frustration of getting quality 3D prints that I’ve handled.
But that is, like, just my opinion, man.
Most definitely the printer isn't free.. nor is the resin, fep film, etc. Perhaps I didn't phrase the original post as well as I could to indicate that. I was more referring to the designs. What do you think of the new Catalyst versions compared with the MWO variants of ostensibly the same mechs?
Ghaz wrote: As you can see, the updated art that CGL is using is closer to the original art than what MWO is using.
I'd agree it's closer. In my case, though, I'm not a fan of the unfinished Drafting 101 1980's style of Battletech art with the only mechs from that original era that I liked back in the day being the Robotech designs. In my case, being closer to the art isn't a strong selling point but obviously YMMV. That doesn't stop me from judging the new 3d designs based on their own merits though; I do actually like the new designs/models but not much more that the MWO designs personally. For me at least, they're equivalent. Do you have a preference?
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Stormonu wrote: The STL’s May be “free”, but you need to factor in the cost and time of the 3D printer - personally, I’ve been underwhelmed with the results and frustration of getting quality 3D prints that I’ve handled.
But that is, like, just my opinion, man.
you also can't trust STL. ever.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
They have added a 'Backer and Social Media' stretch goal. If the Kickstarter reaches 6,000 backers, 1,000 Facebook Announcement shares and 500 Twitter Announcement retweets you'll be able to get the 'mechs from the Clan Invasion box for $25. There are currently 5,167 backers, 802 Facebook Announcement shares and 426 Twitter Announcement retweets.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Personally I prefer the older and newer designs/artwork over the MWO stuff. The MWO stuff looks to blocky and you lose the character over the various IS mechs especially.
Personally I like the way CGL are going with the mechs, little bit of an update but yet still remind you of the originals, I hope they keep going that way.and would say even go a little bit more classic especially on the legs and arms of the IS stuff which seems to be where the main influence from MWO is.
For logistical reasons, adding 3 more points of Elementals would be more efficient...grab a box post Q/C instead of cherry-picking two of each. May only be a few pennies in a large enough print run, so definitely a good idea past the 1.5.
Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?
As GenCon is upon us the latest update mentions how updates will be sparse during this period (and talks a lot about 'Why Kickstarter?').
It also means they've added some new Stretch Goals to cover us 'til the end of Gen-Con:
$1,625,000 - New poster maps of 2025 and 3052 Inner Sphere to be included in the Clan Invasion box. Plus a 'Mech recognition poster that will be free for Ristar and above (so that's every $30 pledge and above). This poster will feature all 92 'Mechs once the redesign is complete.
$1,750,000 - A new painting guide free to everyone that has House Kurita and Clan Smoke Jaguar to start with. Stated as a living document, adding new factions each month.
$1,875,000 - A rematch of the game between the HBS crew and the BTech crew, except rather than taking place in the BattleTech PC game, it'll be played with BTech proper. Losers have to shave their beards off.
$2,000,000 - ???
It's another mystery Stretch Goal!
Also, the 3D Warhammer:
The Warhammer is one of my fav 'Mechs, and it looks great here!
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A rematch of the game between the HBS crew and the BTech crew, except rather than taking place in the BattleTech PC game, it'll be played with BTech proper. Losers have to shave their beards off.
I don't normally watch other games but that might be worth watching a lotta the HBS crew are folks who where involved with Battletech in the beginning
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
They've hit 500 Twitter Announcement retweets so...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
The fluff explanation about originally carrying infantry cargo pods makes it tolerable, but yeah... silly arms.
I've wanted a Gargoyle for years and this is a nice design, just a pity that it's basically a Clan Charger - no where nearly as scary as it looks. I've also wanted a nice (ugly) Orion, too - the SRM4 looks better in the torso, but it's going to mess with my head not having it in the arm.
