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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
After almost thirty years, it's time to give the Clans another motivation other than to be the first to reach Earth and become the IlClan.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
sure except given the nature of the introduction to the sucession wars TRO and the date included we're proably looking at another god damned time jump.
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edit: just got a look at TRO clan invasion (utterly skippable if you have all the old TROs already) and yeah, the intro is written by a "star league loremaster Stephen Roshak oct 24 3250"
Roshak's a jade falcon blood name, for what it's worth
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BrianDavion wrote: mechwarrior destiny BTW is apparently intended to be to the RPG what alphastrike is to battletech. a faster play version.
Given that character creation in ATOW requires a doctorate in economics, that's probably a good thing.
BrianDavion wrote: ... utterly skippable if you have all the old TROs already...
Wish I'd know that before I purchased it...
BrianDavion wrote: the intro is written by a "star league loremaster Stephen Roshak oct 24 3250"
Roshak's a jade falcon blood name, for what it's worth
So was the intro of TRO: Succession Wars. Same guy, slightly earlier date. It includes the line:
"The Word of Blake—a blighted and corrupt organization with foundations in invented mysticism and worship of technology—further delayed our ascension with their vile machinations and wastefulness. The ultimate defeat of that cult caused a malaise and stagnation within our ranks. It took another seven decades for us to complete Kerensky’s quest: To reclaim Terra and re-establish the Star League."
So... the Clans win. I guess that's set in stone now.
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Given that character creation in ATOW requires a doctorate in economics, that's probably a good thing.
character creation isn't HARD, it is however tedious. It was actually going to be worse. originally it was going to be 100% XP buy. at least with the life modules system there's a bit of structure.
Wish I'd know that before I purchased it...
yeah so does the guy who told me that.
So was the intro of TRO: Succession Wars. Same guy, slightly earlier date. It includes the line:
"The Word of Blake—a blighted and corrupt organization with foundations in invented mysticism and worship of technology—further delayed our ascension with their vile machinations and wastefulness. The ultimate defeat of that cult caused a malaise and stagnation within our ranks. It took another seven decades for us to complete Kerensky’s quest: To reclaim Terra and re-establish the Star League."
So... the Clans win. I guess that's set in stone now.
yeah, which raises the obvious ".. ok where do we go from here?"
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On the bright side, the foreword made me look into other forewords, and made me realise I didn't have the 2nd Succession War book, within which is a very interesting opening bit of fiction that changes my view of ComStar completely.
BrianDavion wrote: yeah, which raises the obvious ".. ok where do we go from here?"
I have a theory, a crazy theory that you'll probably laugh at:
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Suddenly a lot of stuff makes sense. Not sure I would trust them with a multi million dollar KS though even if there issues were someone else’s fault.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Thank you for posting the video. We definitely need an Urbanmech plushie in the campaign given the love the Mech has consistently garnered.
While there was not a direct discussion of improving quality in this campaign the Q and A did include some talk about lessons learned in manufacturing and a desire to continue pushing model quality higher.
Camospaces - Making paint schemes new player friendly
Core Books are are in print, TRO: Succession Wars & TRO: Clan Invasion
Leviathans is being put out again - Kickstarter Summer 2020, all factions coming out at once for Great War and ships. Fiction is planned
Fiction News - Physical copies of Forever Faithful (sold out at con), Iron Dawn, Kill Zone (anthology), Kell Hounds (Anthology & Sold out at con), ShadowRun novels & anthologies, Shadowrun individual profiles.Randall talks about the Kickstarters, Dragon Fire, and small games news
Questions - Will Bonfire of Worlds come back out? (Yes)
Questions - IlClan question - KickStarter delayed IlClan book till 2020 & Layout guys are tied up and issues with China production issues, CGL's efforts to of tying IlClan fiction other novel authors into IClan fiction stories in the making connect to one another.
Question - How the Kickstarter's names being included in future fiction
Question - UrbanMech Plushy Toy possibility (Yes)
Question - Why there so many plushy toys?
Question - Will the Classic designs be made by IronWinds (Yes)
Question - Are there any plans for Quads (Yes) - Goliath and Scorpions need be redesign because they're too big in plastic. Likely going need to be redesigned so they fit on hexes, possibly metal.
Question - Is House Davion going have resurgence? (yes)
Question - Is DropShip on the Kickstarter going be made? (Yes) Ironwinds will be making special run for CGL
Question - MechWarrior Destiny (RPG) status - Work in progress, its using Valiant RPG rules. Art and writing together. Book will include aids for Tabletop players include special features to enhance their game.
Question - Will MechWarrior Design (RPG) have a quickstarter version by year's end? (no) However, Beta Version of the system is going to be sent to Kickstart backers by end of August.
Question - Will the Pilot Cards have game effects or fluff? (Stats) Two type pilot cards will be coming out, with basic one with stats, another one premium card with pictures on the back.
Question - is Shadowrun Spawl gangers minis coming out? (yes) For 2021. Kickstarts been helping figure out plastics works and how handle it. The Kickstart helps educate them handle Leviathans and Battletech
Questoin - When will the redesign Classics appears in TRO? (yes) when we have art, then it will be put out.
Question - When all the minis promised from the Kickstarter be done. (by Gencon 2020 prox) Will not rush for sake quality
Question - TRO Reorganization continue? (yes) No names given, but the TRO by era theme will be continue on beyond Clan Invasion and Succession Wars.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
BrianDavion wrote: yeah, which raises the obvious ".. ok where do we go from here?"
The intro to TRO: Succession Wars makes it sound like the new Star League allows Inner Sphere freebirths to use old mechs with old tech in “the arena system,” which keeps the people entertained and mollified as the clans reshape society. They mention a Marik becoming a popular hero due to his exploits in a Thunderbolt.
It’s easy to piece it together. One of the clans will conquer Terra and the Inner Sphere around 3150 (there’s some mention of it happening 70 years after the Word of Blake adventures). There’ll be peace for a while - a full hundred years, I guess. Then the gladiators - a lot of them members of former noble houses - rise up and we get war all over again.
Personally, I’d give the gladiators 3250 mechs and weapons - still great for learning the game - and the Star League would use clan mechs with a shortened list of more advanced weapons. To avoid invalidating models you’d have to give every mech a variant that only included those standard weapons (I’d be comfortable adding gauss rifles to the gladiatorial weapon list - it’s too visually distinctive to eliminate, and it isn’t complicated to use). The variants we’re familiar with could be rediscovered later during the war.
It’d allow new players to start with introtech while still playing in the present, and those new players would have an easy time understanding a setting with two factions, each with a different set of mechs.
If the writers are unimaginative or the fanbase demands it, then before long we’ll get the same old houses creating the same old nations as they claw back territory from the Star League, which will, in turn, crumble into the same old clans.
If the writers are unimaginative or the fanbase demands it, then before long we’ll get the same old houses creating the same old nations as they claw back territory from the Star League, which will, in turn, crumble into the same old clans.
eradicating the old factions to introduce new ones would be a mistake. to put it bluntly the great houses have some intreating subtlty and fluff that frankly the new writers aren't quite as capable of matching.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
If the writers are unimaginative or the fanbase demands it, then before long we’ll get the same old houses creating the same old nations as they claw back territory from the Star League, which will, in turn, crumble into the same old clans.
eradicating the old factions to introduce new ones would be a mistake. to put it bluntly the great houses have some intreating subtlty and fluff that frankly the new writers aren't quite as capable of matching.
I'm fine with reviving the old nations, but not so much the old houses. It's already unrealistic for the five big dynasties to all stay in power for so many centuries.
If the writers are unimaginative or the fanbase demands it, then before long we’ll get the same old houses creating the same old nations as they claw back territory from the Star League, which will, in turn, crumble into the same old clans.
eradicating the old factions to introduce new ones would be a mistake. to put it bluntly the great houses have some intreating subtlty and fluff that frankly the new writers aren't quite as capable of matching.
I'm fine with reviving the old nations, but not so much the old houses. It's already unrealistic for the five big dynasties to all stay in power for so many centuries.
It is if they tend to carry a history of keeping their family name even after marraige so many of the cadet branches of the house don;t have a differant name.
as of 3150 the Federated Suns ruler, for example, is from the Victoria Davions. the line of the New Avalon Davions having been broken. Julien Davion has to go back to Alexander Davion to find a common ancestor with Hanse Davion.
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I've really enjoyed the smaller periphery states popping up in later fiction. Sure, some are moustache twirling villains like the Tortuga Dominions, but starting up with the major houses again, thoroughly intermingled with Clans, would leave the door open for the interesting stories to happen with minor players, interacting with not ilClan malcontents, the descendants of deposed rulers, those pretending to be descendants of Great Houses, and generally give you a way to show the nibbling at the edges of civilization, rather than any dramatic fall. Heck, you could even see some Periphery Clans- folks who run their kingdoms like a Clan, and are big into single combat not out of any real conviction, but because it allows them to continue to exist, just losing a champion every few years when a new Clan sweeps through to take over. They're far less likely to destroy the Bandit Kingdom if they issue a formal batchall and bid a single warrior in defense of the world- and once the Clan jumps out, everything goes back to normal.
I want to see more periphery stories, especially with mixed Clan influences.
edit- BTW, I'm far out of date with my battletech reading, I made it up to the Twilight of the Clans saga- anything I should look out for that matches this style?
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Problem with this is bandits AREN'T clan. I mean that literally, bandits are, literally not clan. the clan system formally places bandits outside of clan society. which means they are not protected by a batrchal, zellbrigen etc. so a clan force would ignore a batchal issued from a force of bandits. they would not offer Zelbrigen to bandits etc. in the clan system, Bandits aren't really people.
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