Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

mortar_crew wrote:
Too much is too much, and these cards will be trashed when the next edition rolls out, like they did before.

Umh you realize right this is not linked to 40k rules? So 40k changing rules is irrelevant as this is it's own ruleset separate from 40k. You don't use 40k rules, stats, codexes or anything. Are you saying blood bowl cards etc becomes useless when age of sigmar rules change?

Oh, it's been a long waiting for this. Is anyone else wondering that are those card decks going to replace the stratagems or other stuff from codexes? I'm glad that they fixed the most biggest problem from Apocalypse, that you can activate a model before it is removed from play.

tneva82 wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:
Too much is too much, and these cards will be trashed when the next edition rolls out, like they did before.

Umh you realize right this is not linked to 40k rules? So 40k changing rules is irrelevant as this is it's own ruleset separate from 40k. You don't use 40k rules, stats, codexes or anything. Are you saying blood bowl cards etc becomes useless when age of sigmar rules change?

Well, I hear you but...
There is also something called experience: is this the third avatar of "Apocalypse"?
All others got trashed when 40k version changed. I find difficult to see a stand alone game, like Necromunda or Space Hulk.
That said, I bougth the other Apocalypse(s) but I feel no need to buy this one.

Well this is stand alone game so if you have hard time to see it just wait until it is released and then you'll see stand alone game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Spreelock wrote:
Oh, it's been a long waiting for this. Is anyone else wondering that are those card decks going to replace the stratagems or other stuff from codexes? I'm glad that they fixed the most biggest problem from Apocalypse, that you can activate a model before it is removed from play.

Seeing 40k codexes are irrelevant in this game...

tneva82 wrote:
Well this is stand alone game so if you have hard time to see it just wait until it is released and then you'll see stand alone game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Spreelock wrote:
Oh, it's been a long waiting for this. Is anyone else wondering that are those card decks going to replace the stratagems or other stuff from codexes? I'm glad that they fixed the most biggest problem from Apocalypse, that you can activate a model before it is removed from play.

Seeing 40k codexes are irrelevant in this game...

Granted.

mortar_crew wrote:


Well, I hear you but...
There is also something called experience: is this the third avatar of "Apocalypse"?
All others got trashed when 40k version changed. I find difficult to see a stand alone game, like Necromunda or Space Hulk.
That said, I bougth the other Apocalypse(s) but I feel no need to buy this one.

The previous so called "apocalypse" are a supplement to their edition rule
We knew the unit will have a different datasheet than their 40k one, so at least the rule is somewhat different. (or maybe they're the "Killteam" kinda datasheet, mean they're 90% identical to their 8th edition one)

But whether or not this get supported for the long run is uncertain. I reckon it won't be a very popular game.

The game being standalone and faster than regular 40k are definite improvements on the concept. For some reason in 7th they thought Apocalypse2 should play slower than regular 40k

tneva82 wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Ughhh... because every eldar player is lacking cheap wraith units to buy on E-bay from the start collecting and wake the dead sets people have been re-selling....
However I guess the wake the dead exclusive spirit seer isn't that wake the dead exclusive after all.

There is no real exclusive models. They come later on own later anyway so boxes etc are only to sell discounted ones until they come separatedly later. Nobody should buy anything because it's exlusive because it isn't

Did they ever release Shadow Captain Solaq as a separate blister? Non-primaris Ravenguard character in plastic -now thats exclusive

Anyway, Im surprised they did not bring in the new chaos knights to this. Sad to see just Imperium get new tanks, and yet another repackaging of the Baneblade.

That captain model is available bundled with the Command Squad. That's why, when I googled "Shadow captain solaq", it showed up in Ultramarines colours.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Company-Command-2016

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
That captain model is available bundled with the Command Squad. That's why, when I googled "Shadow captain solaq", it showed up in Ultramarines colours.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Company-Command-2016

Ah, there you have it.
Good, now I dont need to feel bad I converted the guy to a Blood Angel I never use

I'm super hyped for this. But I don't think I'm gonna pre-order. I have found myself with a lack of time, opponents, and cash recently. So I'll wait for the reviews to drop before deciding if I'm going to invest in a system I will likely only play once in, Like happened with Necromunda and Kill Team.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The game being standalone and faster than regular 40k are definite improvements on the concept. For some reason in 7th they thought Apocalypse2 should play slower than regular 40k

I think the thinking was people were putting a lot of models on the table and wanted a long full day/weekend type of game. The kind with huge armies and epic sweeping moments.
Ergo the kind that was far more a social event than a gaming event. I think now they've decided that time is important and speeding it up is going to help a lot in getting more people involved playing far more apoc games!

 Overread wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The game being standalone and faster than regular 40k are definite improvements on the concept. For some reason in 7th they thought Apocalypse2 should play slower than regular 40k

I think the thinking was people were putting a lot of models on the table and wanted a long full day/weekend type of game. The kind with huge armies and epic sweeping moments.
Ergo the kind that was far more a social event than a gaming event. I think now they've decided that time is important and speeding it up is going to help a lot in getting more people involved playing far more apoc games!

this is doubly so as really apoc didn't add much to 40k in the past, and what it did add was stuff that is pretty much core. so there's room to make apoc a more stream lined way to do large scale games

Yeah. Rulewise it can work. Too bad it falls apart with models that are too big for large scale games in practical considerations. Not many have like 12'x8' boards to play with.

Right then, word on the Grapevine is that each and every Apocalypse Formation boxed set will have a £100 RRP.

Each offers some kind of saving, but I'm afraid I'm much too lazy to work them out myself. But the Ad-Mech looks to be a £48.00 saving compared to buying them separately.

So whilst you may not want the Magos Dominus, it's still a £26 saving on buying the Robots separately. Sourced from the online discounter of your own preference, there is of course a larger saving to be had.

That's even sweeter than I was hoping(115). If true I really need to figure way to sort of timing issue. Especially if I can get those from 3rd party without postage killing benefits. Necron one is 156£ flat out. Even with the useless(since I already have 1 and you don't want to spam them) cryptek 136£ so 36£ saving...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The game being standalone and faster than regular 40k are definite improvements on the concept. For some reason in 7th they thought Apocalypse2 should play slower than regular 40k

You should've seen the Apocalypse game where a Space Marine Battle Company drop podded into the midst of a Tau army.

Rest of the players had nothing to do for the better part of an hour as massed Overwatch kicked off.

My poor, currently ruleless Ordinatus fired all of two shots!

Cracking game in the end though. Just.....slooooooow

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Right then, word on the Grapevine is that each and every Apocalypse Formation boxed set will have a £100 RRP.

Each offers some kind of saving, but I'm afraid I'm much too lazy to work them out myself. But the Ad-Mech looks to be a £48.00 saving compared to buying them separately.

So whilst you may not want the Magos Dominus, it's still a £26 saving on buying the Robots separately. Sourced from the online discounter of your own preference, there is of course a larger saving to be had.

£100 is better than I was expecting too! The Tyranid one is £156 so that basically means a free pair of carnifex in the set. Even if it only sells at GW that's a good price discount, if they go through 3rd parties then that's even more discount on top! If they are that good a deal I wouldn't expect many if any to survive the pre-order date let alone the pre order week. One or two might, but I'd wager they will fly off the shelves.

Indeed.

Thankfully, my new flat-mate moves in on the same day, and I'm paid the week before.

Reckon it's time I settled on a set now. If indeed any really do appeal.

Kinda tempted by the Eldar Constructs. Between that, a Start Collecting and Wraithknight, that's an army right there.

At £100 before retailer discount, the Imperial Knight one is pretty tempting, to prepare for the Chaos Knights codex. I already have 2 of the other Armigers from Forgebane, add a Chaos Knight and the Dex when they come out...

Hold on....the Imperial Knight one.....

Two of those would be £150.00, via Element or Darksphere (or the online discount seller of your own preference).....and would bag me £290.00 worth of clanky, stompy deff.......

Oh my!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ooooh, snap!

That 100 pound thing can't be right. that would be almost 66% off for the tau models

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hold on....the Imperial Knight one.....

Two of those would be £150.00, via Element or Darksphere (or the online discount seller of your own preference).....and would bag me £290.00 worth of clanky, stompy deff.......

Oh my!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ooooh, snap!

Only issue is 2 castellan isn't THAT useful. Especially after the nerf. Too bad castellan/valiant isn't dual kit or that would be sweet double dip deal indeed.

Info I've gathered is from a FLGS (won't say who, on the off chance it could land them in trouble) so reason to believe it's reliable.




Automatically Appended Next Post:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hold on....the Imperial Knight one.....

Two of those would be £150.00, via Element or Darksphere (or the online discount seller of your own preference).....and would bag me £290.00 worth of clanky, stompy deff.......

Oh my!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ooooh, snap!

Only issue is 2 castellan isn't THAT useful. Especially after the nerf. Too bad castellan/valiant isn't dual kit or that would be sweet double dip deal indeed.

Ahhh...but if Chaos Castellan will still be able to double up on the weapons? Imagine....two Flamestorm Cannon things on a single Knight. ROASTY TOASTY! ROASTY TOASTY FOR EVERYONE!

Ah well that's good point. In that case it might be useful. Too bad you will find out did you get 2nd castellan too late.

Also you don't get 2 flamers with this but 2 volcano lances/plasma's. Which just got nerfed.

Oh poop. They are separate kits. I forgot that!

Hmm.

Hmmmmmmmm. Need to remind myself I don't need to get any of them.

But....savings.....

I'm more sad there isn't a GC one if they're only going to be £100, as that really is pretty good.

tneva82 wrote:
Well this is stand alone game so if you have hard time to see it just wait until it is released and then you'll see stand alone game.


Seeing 40k codexes are irrelevant in this game...

Yeah, that might be the case. I'm still excited about this, maybe they bring back the formations, like in the 7th edition. Those were absolutely brutal..

If the listed price for the Apocalypse sets is true.. Buy one Castellan, get two Helverins free.

Whilst I do need a pair of replacement Helverins, do I need another Castellan..?

Buy it from online discounter. Keep the Helverins, flog the Castellan. Break even?