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 aka_mythos wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I think the real problem with the constant stream of 'special' Primaris marines is that most of them aren't particularly special.

Never more exemplified in their choice of miniature to celebrate 30 years of the game that made them a fortune.

This goon.

What were they thinking?

Yeah whenever I do see that guy I always initially confuse him for the freebie primaris GW uses to teach people how to paint. Its probably why many of the ones since have been helmet-less.

guy who runs my local GW told me the reason for all the Primaris Lts was that GW had their sculptors design a bunch of differant leuitenants when they where moving to Primaris, and choose eventually to sue all the results as various special figures. I bet the 30th anniversry was one of those prototypes as well. It WOULD explain why the first primaris image to leak back in the day was a Leuiteant

BrianDavion wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I think the real problem with the constant stream of 'special' Primaris marines is that most of them aren't particularly special.

Never more exemplified in their choice of miniature to celebrate 30 years of the game that made them a fortune.

This goon.

What were they thinking?

Yeah whenever I do see that guy I always initially confuse him for the freebie primaris GW uses to teach people how to paint. Its probably why many of the ones since have been helmet-less.

guy who runs my local GW told me the reason for all the Primaris Lts was that GW had their sculptors design a bunch of differant leuitenants when they where moving to Primaris, and choose eventually to sue all the results as various special figures. I bet the 30th anniversry was one of those prototypes as well. It WOULD explain why the first primaris image to leak back in the day was a Leuiteant

You tell the difference betweenprimaris lL, a srgt, or trooper?

As an eldar dude... I understand eldar. The taller the helmet, the more bad ass you are

 Argive wrote:

You tell the difference betweenprimaris lL, a srgt, or trooper?

As an eldar dude... I understand eldar. The taller the helmet, the more bad ass you are

Dat's just coz' panzees need funny hats to do what Orks do natcherally. Da big 'uns in charge.

 Argive wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I think the real problem with the constant stream of 'special' Primaris marines is that most of them aren't particularly special.

Never more exemplified in their choice of miniature to celebrate 30 years of the game that made them a fortune.

This goon.

What were they thinking?

Yeah whenever I do see that guy I always initially confuse him for the freebie primaris GW uses to teach people how to paint. Its probably why many of the ones since have been helmet-less.

guy who runs my local GW told me the reason for all the Primaris Lts was that GW had their sculptors design a bunch of differant leuitenants when they where moving to Primaris, and choose eventually to sue all the results as various special figures. I bet the 30th anniversry was one of those prototypes as well. It WOULD explain why the first primaris image to leak back in the day was a Leuiteant

You tell the difference betweenprimaris lL, a srgt, or trooper?

As an eldar dude... I understand eldar. The taller the helmet, the more bad ass you are

it's actually simple. If he remembers how to use a chain sword he hasn't been promoted past sergent yet. if he's forgotten how to use a sword and rifle at the same time he's a leuitenant. if he remembers how to use his sword and rifle together, but has forgotten how to use a chainsword he's a Captain.

.. I wish I was joking :(

The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

I mark Corporals in my squads, they’re the guys who lead the second half of a Combat Squad.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

I think in part that's simply because the way warhammer armies are built up and the scale they operate at means that having a bigger ranking system on display in the game just doesn't work all that well practically. Otherwise instead of 15 marines, you'd have 3 marines and then every rank grade all the way up to your unique hero filling out the rest. Ergo you could easily wind up with more leaders than troops. So you'd always have a fragmented command structure until you got into game scales ilke Apoc/Epic where you could have far more individual marines on the table and show a proper rank structure. Of course at epic scales the differences between some of those ranks are going to be almost impossible to practically see

I probably wouldn't mind the SCE model but there are no GW stores anywhere near me and I imagine the ebay et al prices will be very silly.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

How many ranks do you need for an army of 1000?

Sergeants command 9 other Marines.

One Captain and 2 Lieutenants command 100 Marines.

Chapter Master commands the whole lot of 1000 Marines.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

How many ranks do you need for an army of 1000?

Sergeants command 9 other Marines.

One Captain and 2 Lieutenants command 100 Marines.

Chapter Master commands the whole lot of 1000 Marines.

beyond that, Marines are also a "warrior brotherhood" more so then a military unit. I suspect that rank is kept fairly minimum to foster that additude the more ranks you put in, the more you divide your people rank may also be less a "rank" as a role. A sergent for example may be promoted to the 1st company where he serves as a common battle brother, and it's likely not seen as a demotion but as an honor. Space Marine Chapters likely are run on a completely differant mindset from what we have.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Sergeants command 9 other Marines.

One Captain and 2 Lieutenants command 100 Marines.

Plus specialists:
Apothecary; Ancient; Techmarine; Champion
and kinda leaders:
Chaplain; Librarian
and company veterans
And you're probably looking at closer to 1/5 Marines has some sort of rank/title.

BrianDavion wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The SM rank structure is weird. Seems to jump from marine to sgt, no corporal or anything, then sergeant to lieutenant. I guess marines are so good they don't need any ranks in between

How many ranks do you need for an army of 1000?

Sergeants command 9 other Marines.

One Captain and 2 Lieutenants command 100 Marines.

Chapter Master commands the whole lot of 1000 Marines.

beyond that, Marines are also a "warrior brotherhood" more so then a military unit. I suspect that rank is kept fairly minimum to foster that additude the more ranks you put in, the more you divide your people rank may also be less a "rank" as a role. A sergeant for example may be promoted to the 1st company where he serves as a common battle brother, and it's likely not seen as a demotion but as an honor. Space Marine Chapters likely are run on a completely different mindset from what we have.

In the lore and novels marines know who has more experience with this and that, and what each of their brothers are best at and so there is a certain flexibility to their chain of command because of it. Realistically you'd run into problems the minute they have to work with anyone outside their chapter. Its easy to imagine some sort of rank hierarchy and conformance is spelled out in the Codex Astartes.

In second edition, in addition to the sergeant, you had a second marine with a back banner that was called a "Squad Leader" and represented the guy in charge of the other half of a squad if a unit were organized into combat squads. This would likely be the "Corporal" equivalent.

I think some of the omitted ranks from a practical stand point would just be covered by their various badges and honors, things like service studs and terminator honors would denote certain marines as having seniority over someone with an otherwise identical rank that didn't have those. I think the hierarchy between otherwise identical ranks is somewhat covered by marine companies being organized by some amount veteranship. Where a 1st company captain is likely senior to a 6th company captain.

Where it would really get confusing is with chapters that do choose to have some of these intermediate ranks where others don't; since a marine with more experience could end up spending a decade in this intermediate rank where in another chapter someone with less experience might end up simply jumping up to that next higher rank and having some sort of learning period. This sort of rank issue caused contention between the different nations working together during the Napoleonic Wars.

Beyond the ranks that we see in the codex, the only other specialized ranks a Chapter might need are ones handling more of the logistical and administrative side of the chapter... as a chapter is such a relatively small force with a large foot print. This is where we end up with specialized captains like the Master of the Watch, Master of the Arsenal, Master of the Fleet, Master of Marches, Master of Rites... etc; these are sometimes but not always company captains. The small size means a chapter easily ends up with specialization distinguishing rank as much as the rank itself.

IIRC the squad 2ic model in2nd edition had sergeant-like markings (black shoulder pads on Blood Angels, the red Iron Halo badge on Ultramarines, the icon over the pack marking for Space Wolves).

Also, I think the titles such as Master of the Fleet, Marches, etc, are mostly ceremonial. The actual work will be done by the Chapter Serfs.


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From the point of view of the wider Imperium, a Chapter Master is of the same rank as a planetary governor - both of them are “Imperial Commanders”.

Wee bit of threadomancy to feedback on the freebies.

Managed to secure a clean sweep via my Looting, and what I got was really rather nice.

Art Prints are your basic tier. Four in total, two AoS, two 40k. A3 in size, matte print on heavy stock paper. About an inch or so of white border, so should frame up nicely should you choose to do so. Not a bad reward for a relatively meagre £50 spend!

Plasma Tin is the second tier. £100 spend required, if memory serves. It’s...pretty chunky and pretty well made. Should be able to store my dice, or other various odds and sods. Nice little perk, again considering it’s a relatively low buy in price.

Rucksack is the third tier. £200 spend required. If you got one of last year’s rucksacks? This is a significant improvement in quality. I’d say easily two, two and half times the carrying capacity. Stitching also feels a lot, lot stronger. Definitely enough to put on of GW’s medium carry cases in without stretching the material any. Also has adjustable side straps, so if your travelling light it’ll hold better.

Me? I spent the full £400, so got one of each. Had that spend not been purely Anniversary Models (17 Jovun, 6 Larissa, all spoken for as they were bought to order), I’d have got one each of the Anniverary models free as well, which is nice.

Overall, if you like your bells and doohickeys, and your store Anniversary is coming up, worth scraping the cash together for the top tier if you were going to spend anyway. Certainly I don’t feel short changed at all, despite them being freebies.


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Point of possible interest. The Plasma Ammo tin is not hinged. Closer to a biscuit tin, in that the lid comes right off.

And yes. This is going to be my new biscuit tin.


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And made by Half Moon Bay.

Thanks for the tiers. A store close to me had their bday not that long ago, but didn't share the tiers anywhere as I really want the tin but was a bit worried that it would cost me well beyond my budget. €130,- to spend for the tin is not bad at all, was planning on getting the Ork Spearhead anyway, so double win, so long as they still sell it come 26th of October.

Dimensions of the tin are 25.5 (w) x 17.5 (h) x 9.5 (d) cm btw.

Last year's backpack was a horrible thing, not to mention so tiny. That's probably why they tossed in that box for stratagem cards at that tier as well.

So my local store was damaged in a tornado. So they won't be open during their anniversary. So if anyone is able to pick up an extra Anniversary Marine, I will gladly pay above the MSRP on it plus shipping.

These are much nicer overall.

None are exactly essential. One can easily do without them.

But as rewards, one does feel suitably rewarded.

If anyone wants the art prints, I’m doing a ‘postage only’ draw in the FB Loot Group, to be drawn around this time next Saturday. Nice as they are, I don’t have a burning desire for them.

Backpack is spoken for (fellow mass Looter got stiffed), and the Tin is mind!


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So my local store was damaged in a tornado. So they won't be open during their anniversary. So if anyone is able to pick up an extra Anniversary Marine, I will gladly pay above the MSRP on it plus shipping.

Hit up the Loot Group. We can sort you At Cost

But when your store does reopen, chance at the Relocation models (Termie Cap and Chap, Berek and I Can’t Remember Her Name)!

Thanks, Mad Doc. I put a message in your FB thread and made a general post. Your group got me the last Anniversary Marine, so I have hope.

Unfortunately, the manager of the store has been kept out of the loop for what GW is planning to do right now. I hope they figure something out, he is a cool guy and was already relocated once.

Hmm local to me is having its Bday on the 27October
And I've got a £30 voucher for use in store

And that's Bonereaper month - darn it I wish I knew when they were releasing them now! With the voucher and bag that would nicely make up for buying them at GW prices over getting them at 3rd party store discount prices. Esp if the bag is turning out to be quite a nice solid investment (even though I'm likely going to grab one of the KR bags or general hobby use at some stage as well).

Anyone know if you can put ordered-in-store preorders toward Bday purchases (as we've no idea what weeks Bonereapers will launch on)

I suspect you’ll need to ask your local manager.

Having been a till monkey (update after this, for amusement), I suspect the answer might be ‘yes’, given it’s a more or less guaranteed sale, with nowt to lose.

Amusement story? Old till monkeys never lose their touch. Whilst picking up my gubbins, guy came in asking if Space Hulk had expansions. I suggested to manager and Former Boss BSF? Sale went from a copy of WD to WD and BSF.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Thanks, Mad Doc. I put a message in your FB thread and made a general post. Your group got me the last Anniversary Marine, so I have hope.

Unfortunately, the manager of the store has been kept out of the loop for what GW is planning to do right now. I hope they figure something out, he is a cool guy and was already relocated once.

I’ve picked up for a couple of local guys, and have messaged them to ask if either minds foregoing for the moment. Will let you know! If not, keep your eyes on the group, because there are always Anniversary loots

As long as someone doesn't end up missing out as a result, I would greatly appreciate that. Thanks!