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As grandma allways told me:
Schadefreud isch e schöni freud.

Schadenfreude is a beautifull happiness.

Now that the "Diablo 4 is going to be an fps!" rumor has been put to bed, it might be time to get back on-topic.

The game actually looks nice. I notice a certain artistic shift back in the direction of Diablo 2 in it that looks great in trailer form. And sadly (or amazingly) Blizzard is the only company that ever does the Druid character archtype justice in video games.

Of course, I'll never see what it looks like at release, cause I added Blizzard to my gak list. They can rot with EA. *casually sips tea*

Can you imagine lootboxes in tabletop?

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Can you imagine lootboxes in tabletop?

There have been attempts at it beyond CCGs and games like MonPoc.

None have lasted very long.

 LordofHats wrote:
Of course, I'll never see what it looks like at release, cause I added Blizzard to my gak list. They can rot with EA. *casually sips tea*

I'm very torn because I don't like Blizzard at all… but I love watching Starcraft 2 pro matches. So I'm not giving them any money… but I'm still watching their game. But no other esport matches interest me this way :(.

SC2 is oddly watchable, and I don't watch esports much. Isometric games have a certain watchability FPS/TPS and such games generally lack.

To me, they're both inferior and less watchable than a wide variety of RTS games dating back from well before the original Starcraft's release.

But then again, I remember Starcraft's release, and I wasn't impressed back then, either. It was just another game, not even considered the best game of '97 at the time, never mind the best RTS game of '97.

Anyone remeber Command & conquer 3 tiberium wars and kanes wrath? It was amazing! Perfect combination of game and movie.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Anyone remeber Command & conquer 3 tiberium wars and kanes wrath? It was amazing! Perfect combination of game and movie.

Command and Conquer 3 was awesome though the scrin aircraft which outrange anti-air weaponry and have stealth detection can go die in a ditch.

Just sitting out of range of your turrents plinking away, forcing you to build mobile anti-air units which they can just kite and kill.

 Melissia wrote:
To me, they're both inferior and less watchable than a wide variety of RTS games dating back from well before the original Starcraft's release.

Got links to a good channel broadcasting pro matches of those RTS, preferably in French?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
To me, they're both inferior and less watchable than a wide variety of RTS games dating back from well before the original Starcraft's release.

Got links to a good channel broadcasting pro matches of those RTS, preferably in French?

I don't keep track of french channels, no

Then I'm stuck with Starcraft 2, because I sure am not switching to watching League of Legend, Overwatch or Counter-Strike :( !

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Then I'm stuck with Starcraft 2, because I sure am not switching to watching League of Legend, Overwatch or Counter-Strike :( !

You could probably watch a coh 2 player or two, altough i have no idea how popular that game is in the french language area.

I kinda like that it brings the Engagement VS Entertainment factor up.

Not Online!!! wrote:
You could probably watch a coh 2 player or two, altough i have no idea how popular that game is in the french language area.

CoH?

Company of heros.

Eumerin wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Can you imagine lootboxes in tabletop?

There have been attempts at it beyond CCGs and games like MonPoc.

None have lasted very long.

Heroclix died when the rest of the industry did but has returned.

I do think its kind of interesting to compare loot boxes and the blind purchase boxes, regardless of whether its game form or the kind of funko style collectable that seems to have replaced a lot of those failed games. The former is pretty cynical and manipulative and while the latter certainly has its manipulative hooks, its really more about trying to solve issues of SKU bloat needed to hit mass market distribution to make prepainted plastic affordable. It's interesting that the tabletop market has largely backed off from this space and given up on pre-paints in the process.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Company of heros.

Thanks. There is a pro scene on Company of Heroes 2?

There is but it's extremely small (like, the same 12 people are at every tournament and only 2 of them ever win) and they don't market well. To make it worse, finding the tournament videos after the fact is hard cause they don't have a YouTube channel and don't arrange the videos into playlists.

 LordofHats wrote:
There is but it's extremely small (like, the same 12 people are at every tournament and only 2 of them ever win) and they don't market well. To make it worse, finding the tournament videos after the fact is hard cause they don't have a YouTube channel and don't arrange the videos into playlists.

They recently pushed twitch more and there are some good Ytubers out there on the game.

And the game is decent albeit a frankly absurdly monetized RTS at times, with their commander system and faction system.
Also the newer factions in many ways one up the older ones. (except certain special commanders that shall not be named)

But yes technically there is a scene and it is quite fun to watch imo.

 LordofHats wrote:
There is but it's extremely small (like, the same 12 people are at every tournament and only 2 of them ever win) and they don't market well. To make it worse, finding the tournament videos after the fact is hard cause they don't have a YouTube channel and don't arrange the videos into playlists.

Well sounds like I still haven't found the SC2 alternative :(.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:
Can you imagine lootboxes in tabletop?

Space Marine Heroes LITERALLY exists...


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
There is but it's extremely small (like, the same 12 people are at every tournament and only 2 of them ever win) and they don't market well. To make it worse, finding the tournament videos after the fact is hard cause they don't have a YouTube channel and don't arrange the videos into playlists.

Well sounds like I still haven't found the SC2 alternative :(.

I feel like that Genre is dying. With C&C gone, I don't even know who their competitor would even be.

At its core, its a genre that's largely moved to the mobile market. Unfortunately, the niche its found there is one that helped define the current toxic nightmare of micropayments that market has become.

On the flipside, the PC games in the genre need to take a step back from the hardcore and rethink their gameplay. The focus on clicking out hundreds of orders a minute has pretty heavily gated the genre to levels that even the fighting game community would consider elitist. It's a genre desperately in need of a welcoming product that still rewards its existing fanbase. Something akin to SF4.

 LunarSol wrote:
The focus on clicking out hundreds of orders a minute has pretty heavily gated the genre to levels that even the fighting game community would consider elitist.

That's why I don't play, I just watch pro players .

 LunarSol wrote:
At its core, its a genre that's largely moved to the mobile market.

Eh, the best strategy games are still released on PC. And I'm not talking about the "hundreds of clicks per minute" style games, most of those are trying too hard to be e-sports instead of good games.

 Melissia wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
At its core, its a genre that's largely moved to the mobile market.

Eh, the best strategy games are still released on PC. And I'm not talking about the "hundreds of clicks per minute" style games, most of those are trying too hard to be e-sports instead of good games.

Most accurate describtion of the Genre ever.

So, how about a summary:

First, i am going to refer this year, as the year of the insane monetization and LiFe SeRvIcEs.

Literally everyone, even bethesda jumped into that.
Bethesda especially also rebranded itself successfully to Bugthesda.

We have also glorious unfinished bollocks all over the shop.

We also had another bout of Videogames inciting supposedly violence.

Further we had Blizzard and the winnieh the pooh debacle.

Actiblizz doing other shaddy stuff.

Have i missed something.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Have i missed something.

Only that you think it was this year that started it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Have i missed something.

Only that you think it was this year that started it.

Nope, but i believe this year just blew the last one out of the water in regrds to shenanigans of AAA publishers.

Also DLC policy of certain companies. (Cough Paradox)

To be fair, Train Simulator beat Paradox to it and make Paradox look like the most benevolent of philosopher kings.