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2019/07/07 15:56:55
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Mech Warrior 5 is now also Epic exclusive
Dude, the Epic store lacks a shopping cart and bans people that buy many games during a sale.
I'd imagine not a cohesive policy.
Edit: did some digging.
At the start way worse then steam, then some improvements later during the sale a total 180.
In other words not cohesive.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/08 20:58:35
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Yeah, the Epic Games store is really scuzzy. It has minimal security, it's buggy as hell and lacks features that I could put on a website in five minutes.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2019/07/08 21:33:57
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
I wonder if they're going to do that for Phoenix Point backers as well. That caused a similar backlash (but a much smaller community), and the switch to Epic was long after the Fig campaign was wrapped back in 2017.
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2019/07/08 22:42:00
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Epic is a great source of a free game every week. As long as that is all you use it for, you'll be fine.
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2019/07/08 23:20:57
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
The best part about this is how it completely and utterly misses the point, and potentially stiffens future kickstarter efforts.
People are angry because they backed a project on promises, and those promises reneged without input so the person the backers funded could get a bigger cut of the funding that was given to them to fund the product, not necessarily their pockets. Obviously kickstarter isn't a non-profit, but presumably if you are looking to put a project on Steam and that's what you advertise, then presumably people are funding you money for that purpose. It's part of the deal. If anyone should be refunding money it should be the devs, who presumably saved money with the switch and should rightfully return it to backers themselves. While this is a comparatively tiny evil, I find the idea of it really raises my hackles. I'm not even sure I'm well articulating why it's sleazy in my mind.
The second is that now no one can just go to Kickstarter and not wonder if the project they'd like to back will be removed from their preferred platform arbitrarily at some later date. I.E. less likely to back.
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It's sleazy because it's a bait-and-switch. Literally a classic example of a bait-and-switch. It's not a high-consequence bait-and-switch, but nonetheless...
There's also a third thing. A dev willing to do that kind of sleazy thing is probably willing to cut corners in their games, too. And thus, even if I didn't trust Epic Games with my personal information as far as my kitten can throw a truck, I'd assume their game was inferior by default.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2019/07/11 08:43:46
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Melissia wrote: Yeah, the Epic Games store is really scuzzy. It has minimal security, it's buggy as hell and lacks features that I could put on a website in five minutes.
It amazes me that they managed to produce a store worse than the windows store.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2019/07/11 12:17:52
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
That seems to be the modus operandi for all AAA publishers these days. Rush out half baked and crap product, force purchases down throats, release half baked DLC, cram in loot mechanics, then release a "Road map" apologizing for the state of the game, do a mea culpa, then promise broad ranging yet oddly unspecific changes to the core mechanics over the span of the next 6-12 months.
Meanwhile, dump all investment into said product, and begin focusing on new product.
Epic does it with games, they did it with their store, and they are doing it with their business practices.
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2019/07/11 17:11:11
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
I mean even if it was not a steaming turd of a store I would not have anything to do with a company linked to Tencent king of the data “breach” and/or data mining depending on which reports you believe. On top of that even if all the data stuff is wrong Tencent are morally and ethically scuzzy in ways that Epic and even MS could only dream of.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2019/07/11 20:23:10
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/11 20:31:15
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Probably. They're one of the largest firms in the world. Their hands are in everything.
Nice.
Yet they still can't manage a propper webshop.
Which is ironically sad and hilariously funny to watch.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/11 20:42:24
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Well, as I've been reading, it seems that one of the most criticized elements of Tencent's business is their inability to innovate. They copy other products (poorly) and generally refine them to work in specific markets, which actually has me wondering if western gamers are even the real target of Epic's current business plan, or if there's some intention to Segway the Epic Games Store into being a gateway for the Asian market to western products. It's actually more in line with Tencent's usual business and does explain a few of their "so stupid it's stupid" decisions. Carts are not common in a lot of Asian based webstores for example.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/12 20:53:41
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
If I backa kickstarter and post-facto a publisher buys out thr dev and restricts platform access, regardless of whether I'm given a refund or not, at that point I'm no longer a just a customer, I'm a creditor and investor, and I have no interest in supporting that sort of behavior.
It's would certainly make me substantially more wary of kickstarting any future videogame projects.
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2019/07/22 12:18:18
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
I’m done with kickstarters now. This is 3/3 for me backing famous Japanese developers where i’ve felt stung. First Mighty Number Nine comes out and is absolutely gak, then Bloodstained comes out and is cheaper to buy new from Amazon than my investment, not to mention shady DLC lies. There was also that dick head from 505 games telling investors we got a great deal because of a mobile game they gave us for free. Now Shenmue 3 has taken a crap on its PC investors. It’s the last one i’ll ever back, that’s for sure.
Don't hate me, but I don't know what a "Shenmu III" is, but from the looks of things it's quite popular?
It's the third game in a series that has never made money but has a hardcore fanbase and the previous games did get critical acclaim.
Shenmue 3 is looking to continue that trend, seeing as it had the crowdfunding money then it took money from Sony and Deep Silver and finally the money from Epic.
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2019/07/25 22:42:46
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Good. I hope Epic games buries Piranha with it. Outside of some excellent 3D modelling those arrogant crap sacks are the worst thing to happen to BattleTech since Harmony Gold.
Huh. Not as shocked by this as I could be. Did some digging, found that even before this announcement backers had been unhappy, as they hadn't heard anything about the status of MW5 for 5-6 months.
They still haven't taken down all the 'Release date: september 2019' announcements, even though the Epic deal somehow pushes things back further.
But their facebook page is now basically a stream of 'refund' request comments. I do like that there is actually pushback on this sort of crap.
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2019/07/26 17:50:08
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
The problem is thus far the pushback has had basically no real world effect. The companies get such a huge hand out from Epic and now Epic has set the tone for allowing full refunds being paid for by them not by the developers. So there's even less risk for the developer taking the Epic Golden Handshake.
What I can't work out is why Epic isn't putting some of their obscene amounts of money into making their store better. If they just added basic features (seriously a cart, comments,review system shouldn't take that long to add to a modern store front); then spent a bit of money improving security and marketing it then they could get over a lot of the issues people have.
The whole "its not steam" issue is overblown considering that Origin, Uplay and Battlenet all exist along with many MMO games not even being on Steam (or starting on steam). So if Epic just restored some faith by making their store "not suck" they could easily resolve many issues.
I don't know, it seems that for all their money they seem content just throwing large amounts at issues they make for themselves rather than tackling them head on. Then again they've also got sales data, it might be that for all the gamer fury and hate; the actual buying that goes on is only impacted by a little. Ergo lots of hot air and disgruntlement, but still getting high volume sales.
Voss wrote: Huh. Not as shocked by this as I could be. Did some digging, found that even before this announcement backers had been unhappy, as they hadn't heard anything about the status of MW5 for 5-6 months.
They still haven't taken down all the 'Release date: september 2019' announcements, even though the Epic deal somehow pushes things back further.
But their facebook page is now basically a stream of 'refund' request comments. I do like that there is actually pushback on this sort of crap.
Because I gak you not, Pirhana games hates their customers. The owner of the company has said so three or four times over the years and the way the company treats people kind of makes it really obvious once the idea is in your head. Pirhana is probably uniquely situated to suffer for this decision honestly. They already deal with rampant user discontent on a daily basis from the proverbial Sodom and Gomorrah that Mechwarrior: Online's development became. They hermorraged users when they first announced MW5, because the logic behind most of the announced design decisions was either nonsensical, or blatantly trying to justify bad mechanics they wanted but that none of their players did (for a company that makes video games, it's amazing how much Pirhana seems to want to make anything else). I imagine the other half, the idiot half that was giving that gak company any benefit of doubt, is now rioting.
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Overread wrote: Ergo lots of hot air and disgruntlement, but still getting high volume sales.
This is my experience with gamers in general.
They bitch and moan from heaven to hell, and then they'll bend over and let the people they profess to hate got right at whatever pocket contains their wallet.
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Voss wrote: Huh. Not as shocked by this as I could be. Did some digging, found that even before this announcement backers had been unhappy, as they hadn't heard anything about the status of MW5 for 5-6 months.
They still haven't taken down all the 'Release date: september 2019' announcements, even though the Epic deal somehow pushes things back further.
But their facebook page is now basically a stream of 'refund' request comments. I do like that there is actually pushback on this sort of crap.
Because I gak you not, Pirhana games hates their customers. The owner of the company has said so three or four times over the years and the way the company treats people kind of makes it really obvious once the idea is in your head. Pirhana is probably uniquely situated to suffer for this decision honestly. They already deal with rampant user discontent on a daily basis from the proverbial Sodom and Gomorrah that Mechwarrior: Online's development became. They hermorraged users when they first announced MW5, because the logic behind most of the announced design decisions was either nonsensical, or blatantly trying to justify bad mechanics they wanted but that none of their players did (for a company that makes video games, it's amazing how much Pirhana seems to want to make anything else). I imagine the other half, the idiot half that was giving that gak company any benefit of doubt, is now rioting.
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Overread wrote: Ergo lots of hot air and disgruntlement, but still getting high volume sales.
This is my experience with gamers in general.
They bitch and moan from heaven to hell, and then they'll bend over and let the people they profess to hate got right at whatever pocket contains their wallet.
So basically they were the old version of GW when Kirby was still running things. Man i hated that guy. Things aren't the greatest now but it's better than what it was.
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Anyway this'll probably sound weird but i still want phoenix point and that Fallout-esque Space Western sounded cool too. I just don't know if i want em badly enough to deal with Epic. It really depends how good the games are i guess. After Fallout 76 being crap on release (and still probably crap) what can one do for a similar fix.
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As the joke goes, "So Borderlands 3 got delayed by 6 months? Okay. I'll wait."
Generally a year.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/26 22:11:19
Subject: Everything Epic™ - latest: Epic Will Refund Shenmue 3 Backers Who Reject Epic Store Exclusivity
Agreed on waiting. If Epic was giving away copies of my favorite games away for free, I would still go the Steam and buy them full price just out of spite. Feth, if they are on Origin I would even do that. Anything but Epic.
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