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2019/07/12 14:11:18
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
AdeptSister wrote: Work is work. No one deserves harassment just because you disagree with its value.
It feels so weird how so many people benefit or consume the results of sex work, but it's not valued. It's a huge industry and is everywhere.
The seller is a known troll who does pranks like this. If you don't like what she is doing, just don't feed her.
Sex work not beeing valued depends quite a lot on the country.
Also the circumstances of it are often directly corelated with it's status as legal or illegal and therefore the structure and support workers in it get.
Considering also health issues it would be prudent imo to atelast legalize it with the propper health controll requirments in place as this would basically cover a large part of the required support for workers within it allready.
Alas with morals one might win victories in votes and therefore nothing will hapen because morals invoke feelings and invoked feelings are more powerfull to about 75% of the population.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/12 15:00:51
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Excommunicatus wrote: I mean, really it's irrelevant because this absolutely is not sex work.
In my experience the more you have to say something isn't about sex, the more likely it's really about sex.
Socks, standing on lego, latex wrapping,etc.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/12 15:10:14
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Feth no, this discussion is over.
Stop it, cease and desist right now!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/07/12 15:20:01
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Togusa wrote: But this...this isn't sex work. It's the worst part of what I call "Thot Culture." Which in my opinion is just as sick and vial as the incels that spawned it in the first place.
Incels: "women should be our lobotomized rape slaves, mass shooters are our heroes".
"Thot culture", whatever that is: *sells soft porn to willing buyers*
Yeah, these are definitely equal things...
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Argive wrote: Work implies productivity and output. This... this whatever this is is not that.
How is it not productivity and output? She recognized a target market, developed a plan to exploit the opportunity, and turned it into a profitable business.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Incels spawned the whole "Thot" meme, and I've noticed that a lot of "Gamer Girls" and so on are now riding it to success, essentially taking it and using it to plow tons of money from socially awkward people who do not have healthy relationships, or views on healthy relationships. It's essentially two groups taking advantage of each other, with one group profiting off the other. It's pretty sick.
Argive wrote: Yeah but when doing sex work (and they are caming, so its sex work..) you will get weirdos and perverts messaging you.... In ideal utopia, yeah, we would not have have pervy weirdos but we do. Its just fact and reality.. the weirdos are not going anywhere.
People no longer need to take agency over their self-conduct or protect themselves and think about their actions. They are publicly doing cam shows and aiming to attract as much attention as possible to make money... So they will attract attention ALL OF THE ATTENTION. To complain about it like you didn't think it would happen is just idiotic.... Also if they are hurt by an online comment maybe internet is not the best place to practice your sex work business which allows for comments... Obviously my opinions.
Alternatively we could not engage in victim blaming and apologism for bad behavior.
It's not victim blaming, it's called "Personal Accountability."
This is exactly why I can't identify with any political groups in modern society, because everyone wants to constantly claim a victim card and then use to to beat everyone else over the head with.
If you're going to participate in online communities, be prepared to toughen up a lot. These are not nice places, and no amount of progressiveness is going to change it. It kills me when someone starts cry because they went onto a website and did something that either is popular, or unpopular and then catch flak for it. What did they expect was going to happen?
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2019/07/12 15:33:54
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Excommunicatus wrote: Did you forget that you're referencing unsolicited sexual material along the meandering way to what I'll generously call your point?
Check yo' PMs. I've got some pics for you. What? You brought it up. What did you expect? Toughen up.
Nope. There are a lot of amoral scumbags out there in the world. Decades of poor parenting (if any at all) has given rise to vast numbers of men and women who treat each other like rags. Be responsible for the things you do online and offline, be a decent person and be respectful. It's your responsibility, and no one else. Do not engage in risky behavior, and if you chose to engage in such behaviors, don't come crying when it blows up in your face.
2019/07/12 15:42:10
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Belle Delphine has to be acountable. The degenerates sending her unsolicited sexual material don't.
Not all men, but definitely this one.
They're going to do what they want to do, they're going to make choices on how to behave. That is not my responsibility, that is their responsibility. And you know this very well.
If you go online acting like a hoebag, do not be surprised when people with no moral standing and poor decision making skills treat you like a hoebag.
Should I be surprised that I get the ever living gak kicked out of me if I go into a biker bar, find three black men and start hurling racial slurs at them for "Teh luls?"
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2019/07/12 15:53:53
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Togusa wrote: Be responsible for the things you do online and offline, be a decent person and be respectful.
Agreed. So what have the twitch streamers that were brought up earlier by Argive done in violation of this?
The only people who seem to have been in violation of this are the people who apparently sent them a whole heaping of sexually degrading messages, even when being asked not to.
Do not engage in risky behavior, and if you chose to engage in such behaviors, don't come crying when it blows up in your face.
That depends what you call "risky behaviour". People calling you out if you make offensive comments and jokes? Yeah, you chose to hurt people. That's your fault. People making sexually charged comments at you, because of what you're wearing when you stream? Sorry, that's on the people commenting, not you. And just to emphasise, ESPECIALLY when you've asked for people not to do that.
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2019/07/12 15:54:01
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
It's just a total coincidence that you're damning Belle Delphine because "she isn't accountable" - assuming, without deciding, that it is even true - while you twist and squirm to avoid the obvious conclusion that the accountability you demand from her applies equally to the people sending her unsolicited sexual material; a behaviour that, for whatever reason, you're eagerly defending and excusing.
It's just a total coincidence that you're damning Belle Delphine because "she isn't accountable" - assuming, without deciding, that it is even true - while you twist and squirm to avoid the obvious conclusion that the accountability you demand from her applies equally to the people sending her unsolicited sexual material; a behaviour that, for whatever reason, you're eagerly defending and excusing.
At the very least, I'd be expecting Togusa to be calling out the people sending the unsolicted sexual material. If they didn't, that would call their entire argument about "accountability" into question.
They/them
2019/07/12 15:58:25
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Belle Delphine has to be acountable. The degenerates sending her unsolicited sexual material don't.
Not all men, but definitely this one.
They're going to do what they want to do, they're going to make choices on how to behave. That is not my responsibility, that is their responsibility. And you know this very well.
If you go online acting like a hoebag, do not be surprised when people with no moral standing and poor decision making skills treat you like a hoebag.
Should I be surprised that I get the ever living gak kicked out of me if I go into a biker bar, find three black men and start hurling racial slurs at them for "Teh luls?"
Slut-shaming and comparing the sale of used water to racism is really highlighting your objectivity, here.
2019/07/12 16:20:37
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
It's just a total coincidence that you're damning Belle Delphine because "she isn't accountable" - assuming, without deciding, that it is even true - while you twist and squirm to avoid the obvious conclusion that the accountability you demand from her applies equally to the people sending her unsolicited sexual material; a behaviour that, for whatever reason, you're eagerly defending and excusing.
Does she play to the audience that she is attracting? Yes or no?
2019/07/12 16:21:35
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
If you go online acting sexist, don't be surprised if people treat you like you are sexist...
I'm confused though, is that personal responsibility, or poor parenting? Declaring 'poor parenting' sounds like the person isn't responsible, the parents are.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2019/07/12 16:24:07
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Belle Delphine has to be acountable. The degenerates sending her unsolicited sexual material don't.
Not all men, but definitely this one.
They're going to do what they want to do, they're going to make choices on how to behave. That is not my responsibility, that is their responsibility. And you know this very well.
If you go online acting like a hoebag, do not be surprised when people with no moral standing and poor decision making skills treat you like a hoebag.
Should I be surprised that I get the ever living gak kicked out of me if I go into a biker bar, find three black men and start hurling racial slurs at them for "Teh luls?"
Slut-shaming and comparing the sale of used water to racism is really highlighting your objectivity, here.
Don't forget the implicit assertions that she is irresponsible, indecent and disrespectful. And the explicit, ahem, 'arguments' that she's "a hoebag" and engaging in "risky behaviour".
So it's totally her fault that people send her unsolicited sexual material. Because reasons that definitely aren't naked assertions, or personal opinion passing as established fact.
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Excommunicatus wrote: And, FWIW, no I would not be surprised if you received a kicking for hurling hate speech around.
Also, FWIW, I am Jack's complete lack of surprise that you just casually equated selling bathwater to racism.
It's nice, but you know very well exactly what I am talking about here. You know that I do not support any kind of hate-speech or harassment of ANY people. Irregardless of the fact, you also know that humans are responsible for their behaviors, and that includes those who choose to promote specific types of cultures in order to gain financially.
This person getting harassed is wrong.
The people harassing this person are wrong.
The person being harassed has put herself into a community that is widely known for being harassers.
A+B=C. Does that really surprise you? Should she be surprised?
What is the old adage, "talk gak, get hit" I think?
Do not be surprised if lewd behavior illicit's lewd behavior.
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AdeptSister wrote: You are right that one could argue that the selling of bathwater is not sex work and I am not going to challenge that.
But, like always, these threads are useful for finding more about my fellow Dakka Dakka members.
I'm not sure it equates to sex work. I think it fits more into meme culture. The girl in question has a significant "chan" type presence online. Do a little research on her and you'll find a lot more risky behavior than just some innocent PR stunts involving bath water.
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2019/07/12 16:30:32
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
Voss wrote: If you go online acting sexist, don't be surprised if people treat you like you are sexist...
I'm confused though, is that personal responsibility, or poor parenting? Declaring 'poor parenting' sounds like the person isn't responsible, the parents are.
I'm not sure to be honest, if you've never been thought the proper way to behave, can you be expected to adhere to a societal standard? At the same time, not being raised properly isn't an excuse for not doing the work to better yourself. Laziness on the part of the person is a big factor too.
In the case of people who abuse each other online, Anonymity also plays a huge roll. The racial example I cited above is pretty clear, calling someone a slur in a face to face situation results in one being in physical danger, whereas the internet is basically a shield that will protect you, if you're smart enough to use it. This is why you don't see the online gamer behavior in hobbies like magic or 40k that often, because out in pubic their are consequences to ones actions.
That being said, I think in all general cases, making it clear that being part of a society means abiding by their laws and being a decent person is a matter of your own personal responsibility is key.
2019/07/12 16:33:01
Subject: Selling bathwater and licking tea, what even is 2019?
