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 Insectum7 wrote:
That dread build looks like its arms are a little more spaced than normal, too. And theres always the possibility of a bit of lens distortion. It looks strangely wide, and I don't think thats just the exclusion of the auto launchers.

The base is wrong for that to be the current Dread model, for whatever that's worth. I don't think the current one is bigger, but I haven't seen them side by side.

^You're right, it's the Assault on Black Reach Dreadnought. Although to my knowledge that's the same size as the standard kit. There are other pics of it with the arms assembled correctly and closer to the body though.

Even all the way in the Dread still would not be able to fit in a pod. That's not even mentioning how silly it would be for some of the weapons like the Lascannon and Autocannon to fit in there.

Sardined Centurions make more sense, but the space left for an HQ probably doesn't, granted.

Centurions are aesthetically, conceptually and logistically dumb IMO.

 Insectum7 wrote:
That dread build looks like its arms are a little more spaced than normal, too. And theres always the possibility of a bit of lens distortion. It looks strangely wide, and I don't think thats just the exclusion of the auto launchers.

That cent is converted to be taller than it really is.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
That dread build looks like its arms are a little more spaced than normal, too. And theres always the possibility of a bit of lens distortion. It looks strangely wide, and I don't think thats just the exclusion of the auto launchers.

That cent is converted to be taller than it really is.

Didn't notice, as it's only marginally taller.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Foriginal%2Fimg%2FcUHKcbVx4CNw8XpaaPwoEwdpX9g%3D%2F0x0%2Fpic2669129.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fboardgamegeek.com%2Fthread%2F1270047%2Fjustifying-and-using-space-marine-centurion-space&docid=DkSX1yU84gVfqM&tbnid=LPytVb-ut8yIyM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjHn8bUzt_jAhVBRqwKHaBTC9YQMwhbKA8wDw..i&w=4320&h=2432&bih=969&biw=1920&q=40k%20centurion%20size&ved=0ahUKEwjHn8bUzt_jAhVBRqwKHaBTC9YQMwhbKA8wDw&iact=mrc&uact=8

They're not side-by-side, but you can compare.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontlinegaming.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FUM_Centurion_Siege_Breaker_Cohort.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontlinegaming.org%2F2016%2F10%2F05%2Fspace-marine-review-formations-centurion-seigebreaker-cohort%2F&docid=8KYW1-UfoASiaM&tbnid=Ebh8YoNL2IQ3FM%3A&vet=12ahUKEwjt6tmQz9_jAhXQvJ4KHW0MC7E4yAEQMyghMCF6BAgBECI..i&w=1024&h=673&bih=969&biw=1920&q=40k%20centurion%20vs%20dreadnaught%20size&ved=2ahUKEwjt6tmQz9_jAhXQvJ4KHW0MC7E4yAEQMyghMCF6BAgBECI&iact=mrc&uact=8

The Dread is on a scenic base and has some heraldry up top, but it still shows they're roughly the same height. The Dread is a bit boxier, but only a little wider and about as deep.

In none of these does the Dread look to be about the same size as *three Cents*.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
That dread build looks like its arms are a little more spaced than normal, too. And theres always the possibility of a bit of lens distortion. It looks strangely wide, and I don't think thats just the exclusion of the auto launchers.

That cent is converted to be taller than it really is.

Oh good, we've got a reference photo of a wide Dreadnought and a tall Centurion.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Even all the way in the Dread still would not be able to fit in a pod. That's not even mentioning how silly it would be for some of the weapons like the Lascannon and Autocannon to fit in there.

Sardined Centurions make more sense, but the space left for an HQ probably doesn't, granted.

I don't really care about the doors, tbh. If the same Pod model were three doors like the FW one, the Dread would fit no problem. Supposedly Terminators can fit through the Land Raider Doors, even the side ones. Door sizes hardly ever fit the models that go in them.

Centurions fitting through Land Raider doors. . . now there's something awkward.

To me it's more a question of the idea that Centurions are somehow equal in "space taking" as three marines, or fit in something like a Land Raider at all.

Agree with you there. Dreads are pretty small. Just painted 2 dreads up in a night. Standing next to a redemptor they are hilariously small.The drop pod to me is actually the issue. It is too small. It couldn't hold 10 tacticals ether at it's current size.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Agree with you there. Dreads are pretty small. Just painted 2 dreads up in a night. Standing next to a redemptor they are hilariously small.The drop pod to me is actually the issue. It is too small. It couldn't hold 10 tacticals ether at it's current size.

That's more or less the standard for all Transports, as it is.

Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

Uh because levers and such don't exist right?

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

I really don't think that a marine in a centurion suit can have arms at all.

Sure they can it’s gundam.

 Crimson wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

I really don't think that a marine in a centurion suit can have arms at all.

assuming their power armor interfaces with the centurion frmae they don't need to put their arms in. the suit could interact with the Black Carapiece and essentially be piloted via MIU like a tiny titan.

Maybe they just have a seperate Marine inside each arm and leg. Voltron style. That'd explain the blockiness.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

I really don't think that a marine in a centurion suit can have arms at all.

assuming their power armor interfaces with the centurion frame they don't need to put their arms in. the suit could interact with the Black Carapace and essentially be piloted via MIU like a tiny titan.

Then where are the arms, exactly? Tucked behind their backs? There certainly isn't room on the side or front unless their arms are emaciated twigs. Terminators already stretch the possibility of how arms are attached to a torso, but centurions are completely ridiculous.

 amanita wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

I really don't think that a marine in a centurion suit can have arms at all.

assuming their power armor interfaces with the centurion frame they don't need to put their arms in. the suit could interact with the Black Carapace and essentially be piloted via MIU like a tiny titan.

Then where are the arms, exactly? Tucked behind their backs? There certainly isn't room on the side or front unless their arms are emaciated twigs. Terminators already stretch the possibility of how arms are attached to a torso, but centurions are completely ridiculous.

I imagine their arms extend into the centurian arm with controls around the elbow joint. Or they literally stand with their arms at their side and control with just neural interface. Your lack of imagination is disturbing (darth vader voice).

 Xenomancers wrote:

I imagine their arms extend into the centurian arm with controls around the elbow joint. Or they literally stand with their arms at their side and control with just neural interface. Your lack of imagination is disturbing (darth vader voice).

Not possible. The bolters/missiles are on the way.

 amanita wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Apparently one new marine ability is growing arms long enough to operate a centurion suit?

I really don't think that a marine in a centurion suit can have arms at all.

assuming their power armor interfaces with the centurion frame they don't need to put their arms in. the suit could interact with the Black Carapace and essentially be piloted via MIU like a tiny titan.

Then where are the arms, exactly? Tucked behind their backs? There certainly isn't room on the side or front unless their arms are emaciated twigs. Terminators already stretch the possibility of how arms are attached to a torso, but centurions are completely ridiculous.

If you have seen the power fist props for space marine cosplay, the actor’s arm only goes part-way into the arm. The actor’s hand slips into a series of rings that have cables to manipulate the fingers. Centurions arms use a similar “Waldo glove” sort of apparatus- much easier to see on the model before the armor plates are put on (they’re also on stilts, BTW).

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

I imagine their arms extend into the centurian arm with controls around the elbow joint. Or they literally stand with their arms at their side and control with just neural interface. Your lack of imagination is disturbing (darth vader voice).

Not possible. The bolters/missiles are on the way.

It is difficult to tell but there is a pretty thick (probably not thick enough) protrusion on the chest where you attach these chest weapons. Obviously these are not full size bolters sticking in there - they are shortened to accommodate the marine.

 Stormonu wrote:

If you have seen the power fist props for space marine cosplay, the actor’s arm only goes part-way into the arm. The actor’s hand slips into a series of rings that have cables to manipulate the fingers. Centurions arms use a similar “Waldo glove” sort of apparatus- much easier to see on the model before the armor plates are put on (they’re also on stilts, BTW).

Yep, still not possible. The arms would have to go through the bolters/missiles.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

It is difficult to tell but there is a pretty thick (probably not thick enough) protrusion on the chest where you attach these chest weapons. Obviously these are not full size bolters sticking in there - they are shortened to accommodate the marine.

Nope. There wouldn't even be enough space for a bolt pistol there.

It's totally workable actually. You don't need to fit a whole bolt pistol in there. Just the barrel which is less than half the size of a bolt pistol.

Yeah it's clearly not 6 whole Bolters in the suit. It just fires the same rounds.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's totally workable actually. You don't need to fit a whole bolt pistol in there. Just the barrel which is less than half the size of a bolt pistol.

Oh! So you only need a barrel of bolter to fire it? Couple of inches of a metal tube is all that is needed to launch these deadly projectiles? Why the feth is anyone carrying around a full bolter then, why are they not just carrying these magical metal tubes in their pockets?

Dear Emperor and Nurgle, this is so dumb.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah it's clearly not 6 whole Bolters in the suit. It just fires the same rounds.

How?

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

I imagine their arms extend into the centurian arm with controls around the elbow joint. Or they literally stand with their arms at their side and control with just neural interface. Your lack of imagination is disturbing (darth vader voice).

Not possible. The bolters/missiles are on the way.

That's one of my biggest beefs as well. The funky miniaturized chest weapons.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's totally workable actually. You don't need to fit a whole bolt pistol in there. Just the barrel which is less than half the size of a bolt pistol.

So the chamber and firing mechanism are behind the Marine, and the barrel in front?

So when it fires, it shoots itself first, and then enemies get hit with penetrating rounds?

No wonder the thing sucks so bad on the table top...

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's totally workable actually. You don't need to fit a whole bolt pistol in there. Just the barrel which is less than half the size of a bolt pistol.

So the chamber and firing mechanism are behind the Marine, and the barrel in front?

So when it fires, it shoots itself first, and then enemies get hit with penetrating rounds?

No wonder the thing sucks so bad on the table top...

The barrel could have a side loading breach so no added length beyond the required length of the barrel. I'd assume 5-8 inches is all that would be required. 5-8 inches wouldn't even enter the chest cavity.A firing pin mechanism could also be modified with no significant length added to the weapon. The missile is also easy. A krak missle is like 8 inches long on a tactical marine.

Bharring wrote:Maybe they just have a seperate Marine inside each arm and leg. Voltron style. That'd explain the blockiness.

yeah, but not cool Voltron, just the crappy vehicle one.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's totally workable actually. You don't need to fit a whole bolt pistol in there. Just the barrel which is less than half the size of a bolt pistol.

So the chamber and firing mechanism are behind the Marine, and the barrel in front?

So when it fires, it shoots itself first, and then enemies get hit with penetrating rounds?

No wonder the thing sucks so bad on the table top...

The barrel could have a side loading breach so no added length beyond the required length of the barrel. I'd assume 5-8 inches is all that would be required. 5-8 inches wouldn't even enter the chest cavity.A firing pin mechanism could also be modified with no significant length added to the weapon. The missile is also easy. A krak missle is like 8 inches long on a tactical marine.

The Boltgun appears to already be a side (or bottom) loading breach, although different patterns may vary. But that breach is already at the back end of the boltgun.

You could shorten the barrel. Marines do that all the time - they're called Bolt Pistols....

The boltgun - even just the barrel - is much longer than a Marine is deep. So if that sits *in front* of the guy in the Centurion. Factoring in said boltgun barrels, the Cent has to be 3+ times as deep as a marine. Even lowballing height, gait, and depth to only 2x a Marine - which is clearly far too low - that makes the Cent take 8x the space of a Marine. So if only 10 Marines fit in a Pod, how do 3 Cents? Even our silly-low number would mean they'd need to take as much space as *24* Marines.

Not following any of this. Typical bolt guns have a rear breach like a typical rifle today. A side breach like I am suggesting would not at length beyond the length of the barrel. Imagine a barrle with a door large enough to fit a bolt round through on it's side. The rear of the barrle is sealed with some kind of firing mechnism (the key would be it is thin and not adding a lot of length). The idea is to imagine a contraption capable of fitting into the small chest area available on a cent. I have no issue imagining it.