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The only thing that isn’t good about the starter box is the “mat” which is a simple fold-out paper. It isn’t even cardboard or thick paper, just paper. Big shame here GW.
So hopefully there will be third party AI mats available soon because I will definitely look to upgrade asap.
TBD wrote: The only thing that isn’t good about the starter box is the “mat” which is a simple fold-out paper. It isn’t even cardboard or thick paper, just paper. Big shame here GW.
So hopefully there will be third party AI mats available soon because I will definitely look to upgrade asap.
You aware that GW do have a cardboard board sold separately right?
Honestly I think GW has done thie starting set differently to get the cost down a lot; probably because in the end the model count is quite low as well. So I suspect they didn't want to make the box too expensive that gamers felt they weren't getting enough "models" for the table.
£55 from GW and cheaper from 3rd parties to get started with the whole game and have two airforces in that price is a great deal to get started in the game. It's well into the bracket of prices where it might be a getting started set from a regular army or a large model .So it fits into budgets far more easily than, say, a £100 set which is starting to get into serious money.
I think GW knew that AI would be a harder-sell than games like Necromunda or AT.
I get the feeling that GW are going to repeat the Necromunda release pattern. The rule book in the box only has fleet listings for the models in the box. The book that is sold separately has the full Imperial and Ork fleet lists.
So, when they release the other fleets each will no doubt have a separate book for their fleet.
Then once all fleets are released a full book. Annoying, but at least we are getting AI.
Also have to laugh at the price conversion, £55 does not convert to €70... It converts to €60, nice that GW have slapped on an extra €10.
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
A second starter costs about as much as a pair or Marauders and the Rynn mat and gives you the same surface area when combining two basic mats (tho oblong rather than square, obviously) and a lot of free planes on top of those two Marauders.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
A second starter costs about as much as a pair or Marauders and the Rynn mat and gives you the same surface area when combining two basic mats (tho oblong rather than square, obviously) and a lot of free planes on top of those two Marauders.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
No, they came with paper board. Watch the unboxing video.
Do the cards come with unique rules or are they just for handy reference? I read the description of what's in them but I wasn't sure if the same content would be in the books. If they are the only way to get some of the rules then that's going to be the only disappointing part of this release so far for me.
Edit: Looks like the stuff on the cards is in the Rynn's World book thankfully, so I'll be skipping the cards.
A second starter costs about as much as a pair or Marauders and the Rynn mat and gives you the same surface area when combining two basic mats (tho oblong rather than square, obviously) and a lot of free planes on top of those two Marauders.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
No, they came with paper board. Watch the unboxing video.
Thatnks, I had watched the unboxing video and knew that it was a paper mat, but I wasn't sure if it was a different image on the mat as they both appear to have a city side and a desert side. It looks like the paper one has something burning in the desert, while I don't see that on the Rynn's World image so I guess at least one side is different.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm trying to add up the contents of the really big bundle to see if there's any savings. I'm guessing there's not, right?
GW "bundles" are just for the convenience of not tiring out your index finger when adding items to their cart. There's never any savings.
I mean, maybe I misspoke when it came to "bundle" but they certainly do releases that have significant discounts sometimes. This one doesn't appear to be one of those.
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stonehorse wrote: Also have to laugh at the price conversion, £55 does not convert to €70... It converts to €60, nice that GW have slapped on an extra €10.
The US is facing a similar problem - £55 by today’s conversion is a paltry $67 approx, compared to a $90.00 MSRP. I try to tell myself it costs something to get it across the ocean, but I think they’re just Brexit-proofing things, getting us used to paying something completely different depending on the country it’s bought in.
I agree on the Necromunda problem - if I buy now they’ll just release book after book of supplemental material. Then, if I buy all of that, they’ll put it in a compendium. I won’t need it, except if Necromunda is any example, things will change between first book and compendium... meaning, I’m better if I just wait a few years and join during the compendium phase... by which time the game might be discontinued...
stonehorse wrote: Also have to laugh at the price conversion, £55 does not convert to €70... It converts to €60, nice that GW have slapped on an extra €10.
The US is facing a similar problem - £55 by today’s conversion is a paltry $67 approx, compared to a $90.00 MSRP. I try to tell myself it costs something to get it across the ocean, but I think they’re just Brexit-proofing things, getting us used to paying something completely different depending on the country it’s bought in.
I agree on the Necromunda problem - if I buy now they’ll just release book after book of supplemental material. Then, if I buy all of that, they’ll put it in a compendium. I won’t need it, except if Necromunda is any example, things will change between first book and compendium... meaning, I’m better if I just wait a few years and join during the compendium phase... by which time the game might be discontinued...
If I order from Wayland Games (in the UK), I can get the Rynn World Campaign book for $23 instead of $35, the $40 boxes for $25, and the $42 battleboard for $27. If I order enough, I get free shipping. The only downside is waiting for the oversea delivery, but that's just the eternal time vs money question.
stonehorse wrote: Also have to laugh at the price conversion, £55 does not convert to €70... It converts to €60, nice that GW have slapped on an extra €10.
The US is facing a similar problem - £55 by today’s conversion is a paltry $67 approx, compared to a $90.00 MSRP. I try to tell myself it costs something to get it across the ocean, but I think they’re just Brexit-proofing things, getting us used to paying something completely different depending on the country it’s bought in.
I agree on the Necromunda problem - if I buy now they’ll just release book after book of supplemental material. Then, if I buy all of that, they’ll put it in a compendium. I won’t need it, except if Necromunda is any example, things will change between first book and compendium... meaning, I’m better if I just wait a few years and join during the compendium phase... by which time the game might be discontinued...
If I order from Wayland Games (in the UK), I can get the Rynn World Campaign book for $23 instead of $35, the $40 boxes for $25, and the $42 battleboard for $27. If I order enough, I get free shipping. The only downside is waiting for the oversea delivery, but that's just the eternal time vs money question.
TBD wrote: The only thing that isn’t good about the starter box is the “mat” which is a simple fold-out paper. It isn’t even cardboard or thick paper, just paper. Big shame here GW.
So hopefully there will be third party AI mats available soon because I will definitely look to upgrade asap.
You aware that GW do have a cardboard board sold separately right?
Spoiler:
Yes I know.
Very clever of them to put garbage quality ones in the starter box that they know will be dropping like flies all over the place within a week and have a (hopefully) better version for sale separately instead of putting those in the starter like they should have to begin with for a slightly higher price.
What will happen now is that people mess up their flimsy paper board when the cat sneezes at it and the thicker ones will be out of stock so they won’t even be able to play the game at all
Balls! When did that change? I remember ordering from them a few years back.
Just give it a week or two and you'll be able to order from Amazon. I got some Imperial planes, the book, and the map since the starter set is pretty lame. I'll get orks once I finish my Imperials.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
No. You can see that from the product images on the website. In addition, the placement of "objective hexes" appears to be different on all four maps. Also, you can use the buildings on the city maps to calculate the difference in ground scale between AI and AT, for a hex-t-inches conversion so you can play on the same scenery as you use for AT. You'd probably want longer (much longer) flying stands though.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
No. You can see that from the product images on the website. In addition, the placement of "objective hexes" appears to be different on all four maps. Also, you can use the buildings on the city maps to calculate the difference in ground scale between AI and AT, for a hex-t-inches conversion so you can play on the same scenery as you use for AT. You'd probably want longer (much longer) flying stands though.
Awesome. I'm pre-ordering the Rynn's World board then.
In the future I'll probably buy one of the clear hex mats someone suggested previously an/or make my own tiles, but it will be nice to have a full 3'x3' to start playing on quickly.
Plus you don't get the bad feels of the basic mat being replaced outright by day 1 DLC.
So wait, is the starter box board the same as the Rynn's World board, just cropped down smaller? Like the same image?
No. You can see that from the product images on the website. In addition, the placement of "objective hexes" appears to be different on all four maps. Also, you can use the buildings on the city maps to calculate the difference in ground scale between AI and AT, for a hex-t-inches conversion so you can play on the same scenery as you use for AT. You'd probably want longer (much longer) flying stands though.
It would be pretty cool to have a sheet of plexiglass with hexes engraved for AI standing say a foot or two above above an AT game.
We’ll have to see what if any rules GW comes up with for playing AT alongside AI. The rules are on different time scales, old school epic (and several war games even now) treat aircraft as just doing an attacks run that lasts one turn of the game, which makes sense when you consider the planes are probably travelling a kilometre or so in 5 seconds. You could maybe play a game of AI above AT but I feel like the AI ranges would probably have to be doubled and / or play multiple turns of AI to one turn of AT.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: We’ll have to see what if any rules GW comes up with for playing AT alongside AI. The rules are on different time scales, old school epic (and several war games even now) treat aircraft as just doing an attacks run that lasts one turn of the game, which makes sense when you consider the planes are probably travelling a kilometre or so in 5 seconds. You could maybe play a game of AI above AT but I feel like the AI ranges would probably have to be doubled and / or play multiple turns of AI to one turn of AT.
The way it was done previously was that the aircraft would appear one to turn to either do a bombing run, transport mission or Combat Air Patrol to intercept any craft. After they’d done their actions, they’d fly off the board for the next turn. During the turn AA weapons only would have a chance to shoot.
I can see a new dimension to AT in that you buy your air wing and you’d issue orders to them as part of he usual turn wherein they’d appear for that turn to carry out their orders. I can see targeting AA assets like Icarus autocannons/rocket pod knights, Warbringer titans and Acastus Knights with Helios missiles as a precursor to launching a bomber attack on an unshielded Titan.
Just checked it out in a local store, models are bigger than I had in my mind, they look nice (though less detailed than the old FW resin ones as you might expect).
I’m a bit torn on what to get. I think you’re going to want the campaign expansion as the boxed set doesn’t have any scenarios and it only has te rules for the models in the box (ie not the Bommers that will be coming out soon).
The box is nice in that you get two squadrons, but those squadrons are a bit thin and probably need expansion.
Also the map in the boxed set is a bit too small.
If the boxed set had 4 thunderbolts and 6 dakkajets (even if it cost a bit more) it’d be a no brainer. But as it is I’m thinking this might be a better buy in...
Campaign book
3rd party hex mat
1 thunderbolt box
1 marauder box
1 dakkajet box
1 fighter bommer box
1 set of tokens
Not sure. Could also just buy 2 starter sets but probably still want the 3rd party mat and campaign book.
EDIT: After adding up the prices 2 starter sets is better value. Maybe I’ll just grab 1 starter set first and see how it goes.
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You'd probably want longer (much longer) flying stands though.
