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No wolves on Fenris wrote:
At 1:20 on the 2nd video (the one with the models) to the left of Khan is what looks like an Intercessor sergeant with a side knot (White Scar) head and a curved chain sword. Is this gonna be a White Scars upgrade Primaris kit? And therefore will each supplement be getting a Primarisised special character and an upgrade kit?

Seems virtually inevitable...

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

The minimarines are done for, so they need to rapidly get the line to the state where it can reasonably function as Primaris only.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing something but it is a bit concerning how other than the cover of the additional suppliments (Unless that's a Primaris too?) there's no seemingly sight of Space Marines in the preview stuff, it's all Primaris Marines.

That's been in the cards from day one. The Dark Imperium novel is particularly blatant about it. 'The time of old-style marines has ended' appears in a couple different variations at least four times by characters saying it or thinking it, and that was the front end of the introduction of Primaris (people here were datamining the text for descriptions of unit types and weapons prior to the model reveals). Per the Devastation of Baal, the entire BA chapter and _all_ successors are roughly 50-70% Primaris at this stage (except for Ultima founding chapters, which are 100%), because that's what arrived as reinforcements and how future 'production' of SM was going to happen. (Though the Flesh Tearers may reject both).

Model wise, they haven't spent a lot of time keeping old marines in the picture. I doubt they'll get the 'Free Cities' treatment any time soon, but the next time the Codex rolls around for update? Yeah, I can see some cuts happening to make room for more new primaris kits. Especially, AT kits, still...

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On release dates- what does anyone think? The only thing approaching a released date was Autumn 2019 for the Psychic thing (in the video)
That makes me think that the codex, revealed units and the Ultra Scars supplements will be late august or early september, probably the latter so there is space for Beastgrave and the other little boxed games.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Also, if you cant handle 9 distinct chapter variations of extra rules, its probably a good indication you should never get into HH lmao. Its not hard to remember what color marine does what.

Instead of being condescending maybe look at the issue as it stands in 40k perhaps? Where literally any chapter can have any chapter tactics applied to it, so those Blue SMs could be White Scars for rules purposes one day and actually Ultramarines the next, and someone else's could be Imperial Fists. Get it? Can I do the snobbish "lmao" now?

 Vector Strike wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

I'm a marine player, but I feel you. I'd like to see a more equitable love from GW for all factions.

Who's to say it won't happen?

Also, that's absolute nonsense about "nothing apart from their Codex". Or are we going to pretend that the Genestealer Cult release didn't happen? The Ork buggies?

 Crimson wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

The minimarines are done for, so they need to rapidly get the line to the state where it can reasonably function as Primaris only.

You call a "Plastic Spiritseer" (released a year ago and remember it's a SINGLE MODEL) release something worthwhile for Xenos? Shall I remember you how many Space Marines releases happened in the last 2 years? I honestly lost the count and this feels pathetic for both Marine and Non-Marine players.

 Crimson wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

The minimarines are done for, so they need to rapidly get the line to the state where it can reasonably function as Primaris only.

IOW "Here you go, be happy with the scraps you've got. Be grateful we gave you anything."

The new dread has a couple stubbers and a heavy bolter pistol! Plus some other arm mounted weapon "heavy stubbers" and frag launchers?

Hover rhino just is an up gunned one, but I will note that the marine poking his head up is a vanguard marine...

Tigarius is back, fingers crossed he gets a helmet like the old man

Voss wrote:


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On release dates- what does anyone think? The only thing approaching a released date was Autumn 2019 for the Psychic thing (in the video)
That makes me think that the codex, revealed units and the Ultra Scars supplements will be late august or early september, probably the latter so there is space for Beastgrave and the other little boxed games.

We have Warcry for AOS currently, so I expect this new marine stuff will be soon since we need a 40k release in between warcry and beastgrave.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

You call a "Plastic Spiritseer" (released a year ago and remember it's a SINGLE MODEL) release something worthwhile for Xenos?

Yes. And all the GSC stuff. And the Ork buggies.

Shall I remember you how many Space Marines releases happened in the last 2 years?

Not enough! This is long overdue, it is annoying the the Primaris have been in this awkward half-army state for two years.

 bullyboy wrote:

Voss wrote:


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On release dates- what does anyone think? The only thing approaching a released date was Autumn 2019 for the Psychic thing (in the video)
That makes me think that the codex, revealed units and the Ultra Scars supplements will be late august or early september, probably the latter so there is space for Beastgrave and the other little boxed games.

We have Warcry for AOS currently, so I expect this new marine stuff will be soon since we need a 40k release in between warcry and beastgrave.

Beastgrave is September 21st for preorders. They posted up the novel that goes with it.

WarCry's finished, barring the two unseen warbands from the Core Book, next week.

SMs have gotten more model releases than all of the other factions put together. How is that fair?

 Grimtuff wrote:
SMs have gotten more model releases than all of the other factions put together. How is that fair?

Because Space Marines account for such a huge portion of sales?

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

The minimarines are done for, so they need to rapidly get the line to the state where it can reasonably function as Primaris only.

You call a "Plastic Spiritseer" (released a year ago and remember it's a SINGLE MODEL) release something worthwhile for Xenos? Shall I remember you how many Space Marines releases happened in the last 2 years? I honestly lost the count and this feels pathetic for both Marine and Non-Marine players.

2. Including this one. If you include chaos marines - 3. Excluding death guard since they're a diverse enough faction in terms of models and stats lines not to just be 'more marines'.

Just to bring up. There are plenty of factions (not explicitly Xenos) that haven't received much of anything for ages. Some factions, like Ad Mech, Grey Knights or Necrons seem like an afterthought for this edition. I think it's entirely fair to criticise Games Workshop for this as well.

But not for 'fairness.' No one's playing Candyland here.

Imo the psychic Awakening thing at the end of the article may have an inquistor logo but I'd say it has to do with eldar

 fraser1191 wrote:
Imo the psychic Awakening thing at the end of the article may have an inquistor logo but I'd say it has to do with eldar

That's the Astra Telepathica symbol. Stylised, but essentially the same.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Imo the psychic Awakening thing at the end of the article may have an inquistor logo but I'd say it has to do with eldar

It is an Astra Telepathica logo...

Ermahgahd White Scars get something!

I'll happily trade you Xenos players a bunch of units if I can have workable rules for my Black Templars.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
At 1:20 on the 2nd video (the one with the models) to the left of Khan is what looks like an Intercessor sergeant with a side knot (White Scar) head and a curved chain sword. Is this gonna be a White Scars upgrade Primaris kit? And therefore will each supplement be getting a Primarisised special character and an upgrade kit?

Sure looks like it; not only does that sarge have some new bits, but you can see that on one of the other intercessors, the Scars chapter logo is clearly molded on, not a transfer.

Also explains why they haven’t released the Fists upgrade sprue separately yet: it’ll come with the codex supplement. I expect an upgrade sprue for every legion.

Hopefully GW will not limit themselves to six supplements. The BT are divergent enough from the Fists to warrant there own book and the BA, DA and SW would IMO work in the format. Although they might need to be a bit bigger than the others to fit there unique units. DW would probably be better off with a stand alone book though.

A quick flick through the current SM dex surprised me with about 62 pages(more if you include the model showcases) of chapter specific lore and rules that could be farmed out to the supplements.

Could the Scars being one of the first out of the gate mean that some kind of Primaris biker is coming with the main book?

 Carnikang wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Imo the psychic Awakening thing at the end of the article may have an inquistor logo but I'd say it has to do with eldar

That's the Astra Telepathica symbol. Stylised, but essentially the same.

Alright fair enough I forgot they had their own logo.

But in the blurb below they say the event will effect all factions. So does this mean armies that don't have psykers will get psykers or equivalents? Tau auxiliaries come to mind

I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I'll happily trade you Xenos players a bunch of units if I can have workable rules for my Black Templars.

We all would. Some chapters get lots of stuff. Others not so much. A more even spread would be better for everyone.

Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

Which makes them at least three times as divergent as the ultramarines, the literal poster boys for the codex itself, and they get a book.
They’re also way more divergent than the Imperial Fists so rolling them in together isn’t really viable unless you want the supplement to be almost as big as a regular codex.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hopefully GW will not limit themselves to six supplements. The BT are divergent enough from the Fists to warrant there own book and the BA, DA and SW would IMO work in the format. Although they might need to be a bit bigger than the others to fit there unique units. DW would probably be better off with a stand alone book though.

A quick flick through the current SM dex surprised me with about 62 pages(more if you include the model showcases) of chapter specific lore and rules that could be farmed out to the supplements.

Could the Scars being one of the first out of the gate mean that some kind of Primaris biker is coming with the main book?

I was assuming there isn’t any ‘first books’ and they’ll just drop them all with the Codex. Though if everyone gets models and upgrade sprues then yeah I guess..

I’d assume Templar’s stuff will be in the Fists supplement.

I really don’t think it’s DA, BA and SW as three of these. They are mini supplements to a Codex.
You can’t fit all of their stuff in a little supplement compared to Scars who may have a character and some rules..

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

Part of it can easily be explained away as the training...also you wouldn't want the bird to hurt its talons.