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 ZergSmasher wrote:

Now, I would hope that maybe some of the named DA/BA/SW characters will eventually get their Primaris makeover too. I'd love a Primaris Azrael to stick with all my Hellblasters.

On the other hand, DA are the Chapter most likely to reject the Primaris transformation.
Protectors of Tradition would be an interesting place for the Lion's Sons.

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One thing for me, I cannot stand the new design on vehicles...repulsor, executioner, impulsor, the admech thing......all are IMHO a huge step back and look like a 5th grade woodwork project slapping together random bits of stuff. Just terrible.
None of them have the classic lines of the Land Raider etc. Whoever is designing the new vehicle line....God, i hope he finds a better job elsewhere and they get someone else.
   
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Wait, next thing you'll tell me is that you don't want seventeen different types of heavy stubbers as armaments. Madness boy, madness.

PS: I mostly agree with you...but I'm beyond caring nowdays.

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Ottawa Ontario Canada

It's as if we've entered the "robogear" phase of inspirational vacuity.

The characters are ok, khan is nice, the hover rhino is baffling, the cowboy robot is baffling, I can at least see cool conversion potential for both in terms of making them civy terrain or something or like servitor loader or something.

The continued trend of stubbers on everything is aesthetically too much and also really seems out of place. If you're going to give something a stubber, why so many and all over the place?

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Some of that robogear stuff is actually cool compared to what we've got.

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Lotta mad people around.

I think the new mech walker looks pretty cool. Cawl sees dreadnoughts and is like "why are we only putting dead guys in these? They're awesome!"

The Impulsor. . . Meh it's okay. Doesn't look any worse than a landspeeder, which I'm sure a lot of folks complaining think looks classic and "grim dark"

I want to see the back side of it. Almost looks like there could be a platform to stand and shoot? Probably not but could be interesting.

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Quasistellar wrote:

The Impulsor. . . Meh it's okay. Doesn't look any worse than a landspeeder, which I'm sure a lot of folks complaining think looks classic and "grim dark"

I can't speak for everyone else, but no, I've never liked the current landspeeder design. The 2nd Ed speeder was a much more interesting design.

 
   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Shhhhhhh, if you don't like something you're "mad", or a "hater" or a "troll" or (insert random 2019 vocabulary here).
   
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What I assume are part of the anti grav tech on the bottom of the transport just looks like someone glued treads on the wrong way. Very odd looking.
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

 Elbows wrote:
Shhhhhhh, if you don't like something you're "mad", or a "hater" or a "troll" or (insert random 2019 vocabulary here).


You forgot the ultimate conversation stopper when you don't want to address the actual issues... the dreaded ism/ist label!!

Eh, some folks will like some things and others won't. It's simply the nature of opinions and art. I don't like the silly construction powerloader dread but I look on the bright side that it'll generate many funny cowboy memes just like Santa Logan on his Sleigh did upon release.

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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion





Not liking something is fine but when people say "it doesn't look grimdark/gothic" the arguement is an empty meaningless one that they're trying to use to claim "well obviously it doesn't belong in warhammer 40k"


thing is the term Gothic with regard to art has VERY VERY specific meaning. Some of which is very 40k, other parts less so.

Let's get the obvious and easy out of the way first, Gothic plate armor is a specific type of full plate armor produced in the holy roman empire during the 15h century, noted for partiuclar stylings on it,. the armor was honestly more of a parade armor, with half plates being used in the actual battlefield.

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primaris Marines armor is no more "gothic plate" then old marine armor is. Moving on then to gothic ARTWORK. (which is what 40k means when it discusses gothic)

40k minis are not inspired by gothic sculpture, which actually is noted for column elongnation, which is not added to the minis. in fact old marines are noted as having kinda squat torsos.


one area where some minis are very gothic is the use of protable sculpture. which well not often seen as part of the kit on 40k stuff we occasionally see pictures of land raiders.

that is a VERY gothic looking land raider. but it was 100% a paint job, there's no plastic bits on a land raider to get that look (sadly)


so... what gothic influences are actually ON 40k?ostly in terms of sculpture. art and architecture.
one can see the influence of gothic art when you look at old 40k art in the old books (40k has long since moved away from using the stylized gothic art style in their book art) as well as the arcitecture.

40k UNITS have rarely been partiuclarly gothic.


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Oh of course not everyone is "mad" but there are some like the dude who was capslocking angry that now anyone can be in a dread and it's insulting (lol) to the marines actually interred in a sarcophagus.

After seeing this new mech, I think I know why we're seeing so many stubbers on new kits: it's purely for aesthetics. They look more "modern" and "sleek". Nevermind that in the 40k universe they're the lowest tech.

I'm really sad they are doing that instead of re-introducing stuff like volkite or maybe some primaris upgraded grav weapons (kinda like how primaris plasma is better).
   
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The Void

BrianDavion wrote:
Not liking something is fine but when people say "it doesn't look grimdark/gothic" the arguement is an empty meaningless one that they're trying to use to claim "well obviously it doesn't belong in warhammer 40k"


thing is the term Gothic with regard to art has VERY VERY specific meaning. Some of which is very 40k, other parts less so.

Let's get the obvious and easy out of the way first, Gothic plate armor is a specific type of full plate armor produced in the holy roman empire during the 15h century, noted for partiuclar stylings on it,. the armor was honestly more of a parade armor, with half plates being used in the actual battlefield.

Spoiler:


primaris Marines armor is no more "gothic plate" then old marine armor is. Moving on then to gothic ARTWORK. (which is what 40k means when it discusses gothic)

40k minis are not inspired by gothic sculpture, which actually is noted for column elongnation, which is not added to the minis. in fact old marines are noted as having kinda squat torsos.


one area where some minis are very gothic is the use of protable sculpture. which well not often seen as part of the kit on 40k stuff we occasionally see pictures of land raiders.

that is a VERY gothic looking land raider. but it was 100% a paint job, there's no plastic bits on a land raider to get that look (sadly)


so... what gothic influences are actually ON 40k?ostly in terms of sculpture. art and architecture.
one can see the influence of gothic art when you look at old 40k art in the old books (40k has long since moved away from using the stylized gothic art style in their book art) as well as the arcitecture.

40k UNITS have rarely been partiuclarly gothic.



Its plain to literally everyone that Primaris have a separate design schema from original marines, and that this new exosuit is even more of a move away. Not having the exactly correct definitions to describe it doesn't mean they aren't observing something real.

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East Midlands

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Pintle mount in the firing arc of the turret at the rear is a bit odd. Rule of cool I guess. Maybe the turret has got a WW1 bi-plane style interrupter gear to stop it shooting the pintle gunner in the back of the head.
   
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More importantly complaining about it doesnt matter. GW already picked their design scheme and they are moving forward. This is the future of the sm line.

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 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

Pintle mount in the firing arc of the turret at the rear is a bit odd. Rule of cool I guess. Maybe the turret has got a WW1 bi-plane style interrupter gear to stop it shooting the pintle gunner in the back of the head.

The Razorback has the same problem.
   
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s plain to literally everyone that Primaris have a separate design schema from original marines, and that this new exosuit is even more of a move away. Not having the exactly correct definitions to describe it doesn't mean they aren't observing something real.


they do sure but only as much as every unit does. is the Invictor that much differant from a Dreadknight? whatever your view on the DK, (and much of the complaints about it would have been nullied if it had a cockpit assmbly like this new walker does) it makes sense that new space marine units might borrow from specialist designs fielded and tested by specialist m,arine detachments.


as for the rest of things well..

Is this


really that differant from this


It's not much differant then this


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Chicago, Illinois

I need to see how big that tank is compared to a regular marine.

Hope they got rid of the stupid arse rule about marines not being able to ride in repulsors or primaris tanks...

What I am kidding they probably didn't and marines will be stuck having two lines (pessimitic)

but overall I do hope the new codex makes marines viable, and hopefully we can finally customize our captains and force commanders.

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The Void

BrianDavion wrote:
s plain to literally everyone that Primaris have a separate design schema from original marines, and that this new exosuit is even more of a move away. Not having the exactly correct definitions to describe it doesn't mean they aren't observing something real.


they do sure but only as much as every unit does. is the Invictor that much differant from a Dreadknight? whatever your view on the DK, (and much of the complaints about it would have been nullied if it had a cockpit assmbly like this new walker does) it makes sense that new space marine units might borrow from specialist designs fielded and tested by specialist m,arine detachments.


as for the rest of things well..

Is this


really that differant from this


It's not much differant then this



Those are pretty bad things to compare. The DreadKnight is already a breakaway from normal space marine aesthetics. And the Intercessor is not very different, but everything else Primaris is.

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Chicago, Illinois

I don't think anyone should compare the design to the dreadknight. The Dreadknight is a horrible design. The new one that the marine is riding in actually seems plausible and more inline with 40k than the dreadknight ever did.

Gothic design seems to be exiting for marines in general which sucks cause its a gorgeous design.

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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Yeah, I don't see any reason why GW would randomly reverse that decision. If you like a new hover tank, you would just stick old models in it, instead of buying new ones. That's bad for GW's bottom line.

I don't mean this as a critique, but the Primaris thing is real and I don't see any change of that, ever. It's best to just forget about it and let that discussion end.

(PS: and house rule your local games with buddies to whatever makes friggin' sense)
   
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The Void

 Elbows wrote:
Yeah, I don't see any reason why GW would randomly reverse that decision. If you like a new hover tank, you would just stick old models in it, instead of buying new ones. That's bad for GW's bottom line.

I don't mean this as a critique, but the Primaris thing is real and I don't see any change of that, ever. It's best to just forget about it and let that discussion end.

(PS: and house rule your local games with buddies to whatever makes friggin' sense)


GW could have sold a new tac marine kit just fine. They're already doing it with CSM, and its doing great, despite the unit being bad.

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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion





 Asherian Command wrote:
I don't think anyone should compare the design to the dreadknight. The Dreadknight is a horrible design. The new one that the marine is riding in actually seems plausible and more inline with 40k than the dreadknight ever did.

Gothic design seems to be exiting for marines in general which sucks cause its a gorgeous design.


ohh I agree, I only brought up the dreadnought because it's essentially an exo-walker which a marine pilots within it. themeaticly they have similarites. and I'd argue the new walker is essentially GW looking as response to the DK and saying "ohh, so you'd prefer this? ok here you are"
and yeah the gothic style of space marines seems to be gone, however you didn't see a lot of gothic influence in space marines outside the elite units. that said the gothic influence on the ARTWORK is long gone sadly

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A sword/big knife would be a better weapon for the "Stealthy" Warsuit than the "Pistolised" Heavy Bolter.

In fact, why not both? Sword with built-in Heavy Bolter.

Then strap a Jet pack on it.

Now we're talking.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
A sword/big knife would be a better weapon for the "Stealthy" Warsuit than the "Pistolised" Heavy Bolter.

In fact, why not both? Sword with built-in Heavy Bolter.

Then strap a Jet pack on it.

Now we're talking.


Custodes and Blood Angels contemptors already have those covered. Well, heavy flame instead of bolter, but close enough.
   
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Philadelphia PA

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:
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Pintle mount in the firing arc of the turret at the rear is a bit odd. Rule of cool I guess. Maybe the turret has got a WW1 bi-plane style interrupter gear to stop it shooting the pintle gunner in the back of the head.


It's a strange design choice and seems like the MO for primaris tanks - overcrowded with weapons.

It looks like the turret has a targeting lens thing between the two stubbers, I'd probably do a conversion and put the pintle gun barrel there and make it a 3 stubber turret.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
A sword/big knife would be a better weapon for the "Stealthy" Warsuit than the "Pistolised" Heavy Bolter.

In fact, why not both? Sword with built-in Heavy Bolter.

Then strap a Jet pack on it.

Now we're talking.


we dunno wha toptions this thing will have

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United States

Overall, I really like what I see here.

My biggest complaint however is the massive amount stubbers. What is the deal with this? Is there a reason as to why Heavy Bolters wouldn't have worked?
   
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4th Obelisk On The Right

Two things for the Dreadnot.

1a. Why did they think of putting foam on the roll cage to protect the power armored pilot but not armor?
1b. Why did they design a vehicle where any center mass shot will hit its least armored point?

2. This kit is going to make the first bits maker to create an armored plate for the dreadnot a fair chunk of change.


Side Notes:
A light armored and fast but traditional dreadnought is something they have never done. Why didn't they just do that? Honestly, why didn't they? Nobody would of found that controversial.

There is no way you could do anything useful in that dreadnot with a throttle and a joystick. So its a pretty big tech downgrade from a dreadnought. Way to go Cawl.

It will probably have rules that will force the people that hate them to buy and use them to be meta and I enjoy that.

 
   
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Arkansas

Everyone keeps acting like the DA SW BA chapters are snow flaky after we switch to primaris. Even with sc getting the rubicon treatment they lose a lot. Sanguine guard baal pred, terminator armor storm raven , sw dreds libby dreads, wolf flyer . DA speeder variants bikes actual assault troops nephilem. I personally dislike the direction GW is moving in. I play DW and that codex has primaris shoe horned in to a sad degree. Just feels like a big loss of some really cool units in favor of buy our new gak. Oh and blacktemlars. No more scouts means no more neophyts. And where are the grey knights in all of this poorly writen rehaul of all new bland marines?
Oh an landraiders are going away.odd choice since t carries custodes but cant fit primarines

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