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 Dysartes wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

In addition to the freedom for the First Founding Chapters and their successors to make use of all 76 datasheets included in the codex

So Space Wolves can use Tactical Marines now?

It's a weird one - I expect we'll see a preview article on the topic in the run up to the release.

Could be just as easy as Black Templar librarians: If <keyword>, can't take X.

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

So 8 Chapter tactics and 19 successor Tactics.... but weren't there 9 Legions split up once?

I don't get how this core codex + chapter supplements helps with the bloat. What happens when the first new Primaris unit is released? They'll all be out of date again.

 1hadhq wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

So 8 Chapter tactics and 19 successor Tactics.... but weren't there 9 Legions split up once?

6 chapter tactics, BA, DA and Wolves will retain their own in their books as a guess. Leaves 21 successor tactics to pick from. Was it the 4th ed where you picked 2 and a drawback for the diy chapters?


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 Brother Castor wrote:
I don't get how this core codex + chapter supplements helps with the bloat. What happens when the first new Primaris unit is released? They'll all be out of date again.

It means the space marine codex gets updated and the supplements don't need reprinting or changing.

"Litanies of Faith that can be bellowed forth by the Chaplains" seems like SM Chaplains get access to prayers (equivalent) now, could be game changing for sure..

Grey Hunters are just Tactical Marines with Knives and trading a heavy for a special. Give tactical marines the options to take knives and the option of heavy/special or special/special.

I imagine the 'traits' for successor chapters will be pick two, and will be things like:

"Heroes among heroes: +1 LD" combined with things like "Combat Tactics: This unit may still shoot in the shooting phase if it retreats this turn" etc.

It'll be interesting to see if they blast Raven Guard into the ground or not.

I imagined the two extra chapter tactics are Crimson Fists and Black Templars.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

Where did you read that? I'm blind as a bat.

124 cards for easy reference during a game, divided into three sets:

Set 1 – 49 cards (36 Tactical Objectives, 13 psychic powers)
Set 2 – 48 cards (38 Stratagems, 3 Combat Doctrines, 7 Litanies of Battle)
Set 3 – 27 Chapter Tactics (8 Chapter Tactics, 19 Successor Tactics)

It's in the description of the Collector's Edition contents.

From what they've said, the Successor Tactics sounded like the Knight traits for Freeblades.

Dudeface wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

So 8 Chapter tactics and 19 successor Tactics.... but weren't there 9 Legions split up once?

6 chapter tactics, BA, DA and Wolves will retain their own in their books as a guess. Leaves 21 successor tactics to pick from. Was it the 4th ed where you picked 2 and a drawback for the diy chapters?

warhammer community preview wrote:

Set 3 – 27 Chapter Tactics (8 Chapter Tactics, 19 Successor Tactics)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

My question was: Either we don't have tactics per former Legion , thus 9 x Chapter tactics + successor tactics for SM sharing the same heritage but changing a little bit over time , or? Just curious.

Successor Tactics won't be chapter tactics + bonus, it'll be either use the Chapter Tactics of your daddy's chapter, or you went on a rebellious streak and built your own customs and traditions.

Oh look, more unreadable dice to endure...

Well, it was expected.

What are the Combat Doctrines and Litanies of Battle mentioned in the cards? AdMech/Deathwatch-style midbattle change ups?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

Where did you read that? I'm blind as a bat.

124 cards for easy reference during a game, divided into three sets:

Set 1 – 49 cards (36 Tactical Objectives, 13 psychic powers)
Set 2 – 48 cards (38 Stratagems, 3 Combat Doctrines, 7 Litanies of Battle)
Set 3 – 27 Chapter Tactics (8 Chapter Tactics, 19 Successor Tactics)

It's in the description of the Collector's Edition contents.

From what they've said, the Successor Tactics sounded like the Knight traits for Freeblades.

Ah yes, the part I basically always skip over for the collector editions: the cards.

 1hadhq wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
27 Chapter Tactics. That is a lot.

So 8 Chapter tactics and 19 successor Tactics.... but weren't there 9 Legions split up once?

6 chapter tactics, BA, DA and Wolves will retain their own in their books as a guess. Leaves 21 successor tactics to pick from. Was it the 4th ed where you picked 2 and a drawback for the diy chapters?

warhammer community preview wrote:

Set 3 – 27 Chapter Tactics (8 Chapter Tactics, 19 Successor Tactics)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

My question was: Either we don't have tactics per former Legion , thus 9 x Chapter tactics + successor tactics for SM sharing the same heritage but changing a little bit over time , or? Just curious.

1 Ultramarines
2 White Scars
3 Iron hands
4 Raven Guard
5 Salamanders
6 Imperial Fists
probably...
7 Black Templars
8 Crimson Fists, because Pedro has a model and they won't cut existing material (this time)

Bans, Dans, and Woofers can still use their own codexes (thus keeping their CTs as is), until the regularly scheduled updates happen, and get permission to use the datasheets in here, which makes the update issue a little less messy.

Dudeface wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
I don't get how this core codex + chapter supplements helps with the bloat. What happens when the first new Primaris unit is released? They'll all be out of date again.

It means the space marine codex gets updated and the supplements don't need reprinting or changing.

Okay, but a 3rd or 4th SM codex within an edition, really?

Brother Castor wrote:So will this replace all existing SM codexes or will it be like CSM codex 2.0?

Anyone?

Litanies might be something that could actually make Chaplains useful which would be nice. The models have always been too cool to be sidelined for so long

Black Templars and Crimson Fists are not first founding chapters. So it's either warhammer community mistake, or we should look closer to those DA guys...


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Silver144 wrote:
In addition to the freedom for the First Founding Chapters and their successors to make use of all 76 datasheets included in the codex,**

this was removed from the article...

Interesting, I guess it was a mistake

 Brother Castor wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
I don't get how this core codex + chapter supplements helps with the bloat. What happens when the first new Primaris unit is released? They'll all be out of date again.

It means the space marine codex gets updated and the supplements don't need reprinting or changing.

Okay, but a 3rd or 4th SM codex within an edition, really?

Brother Castor wrote:So will this replace all existing SM codexes or will it be like CSM codex 2.0?

Anyone?

This will be the 2nd this edition, but depends how long the edition lasts. If it lasted 20 years and you only got 1 marine dex I'd guess you'd be upset.

Dudeface wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
I don't get how this core codex + chapter supplements helps with the bloat. What happens when the first new Primaris unit is released? They'll all be out of date again.

It means the space marine codex gets updated and the supplements don't need reprinting or changing.

Okay, but a 3rd or 4th SM codex within an edition, really?

Brother Castor wrote:So will this replace all existing SM codexes or will it be like CSM codex 2.0?

Anyone?

This will be the 2nd this edition, but depends how long the edition lasts. If it lasted 20 years and you only got 1 marine dex I'd guess you'd be upset.

-Dark Eldar Flashbacks Intensify-

I'm more interested in the white scars supplement than in the actual space marine codex !

Silver144 wrote:
Black Templars and Crimson Fists are not first founding chapters. So it's either warhammer community mistake, or we should look closer to those DA guys...

Chapter does not necessarily equal First Founding Chapter when it comes to the Chapter Tactics. Outside the BA/DA/SW books, there are eight - or nine, I guess, if you include Spears of the Emperor - Chapter Tactics currently kicking around.

The Successor ones are probably the smaller ones you can mix & match to make your own Chapter from.

Silver144 wrote:
Black Templars and Crimson Fists are not first founding chapters. So it's either warhammer community mistake, or we should look closer to those DA guys...


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In addition to the freedom for the First Founding Chapters and their successors to make use of all 76 datasheets included in the codex,**

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Considering that Black Templars already have their own Chapter Tactics in Codex Space Marines and Crimson Fists are a famous enough Chapter (they have been on the cover of Rulebooks and Codexes) and have their own Chapter Tactics as well, I would place money on them being the two other CT.

 Dysartes wrote:

Silver144 wrote:
Black Templars and Crimson Fists are not first founding chapters. So it's either warhammer community mistake, or we should look closer to those DA guys...

Chapter does not necessarily equal First Founding Chapter when it comes to the Chapter Tactics. Outside the BA/DA/SW books, there are eight - or nine, I guess, if you include Spears of the Emperor - Chapter Tactics currently kicking around.

The Successor ones are probably the smaller ones you can mix & match to make your own Chapter from.

In community article they directly stated 8 first founding chapter tactic, maybe they already edited that.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

In addition to the freedom for the First Founding Chapters and their successors to make use of all 76 datasheets included in the codex

So Space Wolves can use Tactical Marines now?

The current codex has 85 datasheets in it. If this one is adding the new stuff, Executioner, Rhinopulsor, Infiltrators, all that. . .then we're probably looking at at least 20 fewer data sheets than are in the current book.

So I wonder what they cut?

Silver144 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Silver144 wrote:
Black Templars and Crimson Fists are not first founding chapters. So it's either warhammer community mistake, or we should look closer to those DA guys...

Chapter does not necessarily equal First Founding Chapter when it comes to the Chapter Tactics. Outside the BA/DA/SW books, there are eight - or nine, I guess, if you include Spears of the Emperor - Chapter Tactics currently kicking around.

The Successor ones are probably the smaller ones you can mix & match to make your own Chapter from.

In community article they directly stated 8 first founding chapter tactic, maybe they already edited that.

Except they didn't. They said 8 Chapter Tactics.

Successor Tactics are something entirely different. The article yesterday says that you pick two of them to make your Chapter Tactic.

Yep, they edited that. So that was just a mistake

 argonak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

In addition to the freedom for the First Founding Chapters and their successors to make use of all 76 datasheets included in the codex

So Space Wolves can use Tactical Marines now?

The current codex has 85 datasheets in it. If this one is adding the new stuff, Executioner, Rhinopulsor, Infiltrators, all that. . .then we're probably looking at at least 20 fewer data sheets than are in the current book.

So I wonder what they cut?

All the named characters are likely pulled to the appropriate supplement. Same with crusader squads for templars I bet. And they might merge a few entries for characters with alternate wargear.

 argonak wrote:

The current codex has 85 datasheets in it. If this one is adding the new stuff, Executioner, Rhinopulsor, Infiltrators, all that. . .then we're probably looking at at least 20 fewer data sheets than are in the current book.

So I wonder what they cut?

All the special characters and other chapter specific stuff. That goes into the supplements.

do sw,ba,da get access to the strats,powers of the main codex???