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Do we know if CSM also get a verhaul for the questionable traits design?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Do we know if CSM also get a verhaul for the questionable traits design?

proably not anytime soon. It'd be nice if they did but they JUST got a enw codex, if they where going to get a massive overhaul I would have expected it then

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Do we know if CSM also get a verhaul for the questionable traits design?

proably not anytime soon. It'd be nice if they did but they JUST got a enw codex, if they where going to get a massive overhaul I would have expected it then

What new CSM codex.
The dex 2.0 is not new, it has a terminator price adjustment and nothing else beyond the shadowspear stuff.
That is not new, or good.
It's bs

Primaris-Rhino looks sweet! Will have to get some...

And the walker will be great to convert with a canopy to end up like the walkers from the Avatar Movie...

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Do we know if CSM also get a verhaul for the questionable traits design?

proably not anytime soon. It'd be nice if they did but they JUST got a enw codex, if they where going to get a massive overhaul I would have expected it then

What new CSM codex.
The dex 2.0 is not new, it has a terminator price adjustment and nothing else beyond the shadowspear stuff.
That is not new, or good.
It's bs

I 100% agree it's bs. but I doubt GW'll publish a new CSM codex this soon. fingers crossed for a FAQ update but.. not holding my breath.

that said I expected the marine index to be like CSM 2.0 so... I'm naturally a pessimist.

So I just realised when planning my armies that there is most likely going to be a fun FAQ soon TM.

The Indomitus Crusaders specialist detachment.
Grey Shield Warlord Trait.

Allows you to gain Chapter Tactics of other chapters.
Game Broken with the new CTs.

So here is a thought, will "successor chapters" still be able to use the parent tactic, or will it be a case of only the correct keyword can use the parent tactic and successors must use the new successor build your own rules?

Obviously rules-wise it doesn't matter what you paint your dudes as, but for the 0.01% of people who might actually care...

And how does this affect the Forge World chapters like Raptors or Red Scorpions?

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So here is a thought, will "successor chapters" still be able to use the parent tactic, or will it be a case of only the correct keyword can use the parent tactic and successors must use the new successor build your own rules?

Obviously rules-wise it doesn't matter what you paint your dudes as, but for the 0.01% of people who might actually care...

And how does this affect the Forge World chapters like Raptors or Red Scorpions?

I will think it be like a previous edition that allowed you to apply effects to chapter creation.
You have the (8 Chapter Tactics, 19 Successor Tactics)
Meaning at army creation you say
"My dudes are" [Insert Name] they can choose one of the Chapter Tactics OR choose Two Successor Tactics.

I'm wondering if the Successor Tactics are going to be broken up by parent Chapter, personally, with flaws being 'general'.

Question: With the change to the Stalker Bolt Rifle, did they forget the Master Crafted Version?
Meaning it should be 3 Damage now....because of the buff. As MC is +1 dmg from standard.

ThatMG wrote:
Question: With the change to the Stalker Bolt Rifle, did they forget the Master Crafted Version?
Meaning it should be 3 Damage now....because of the buff. As MC is +1 dmg from standard.

Probably going to be -1AP or +1S now.

I hope Thousand Sons get their Chapter Tactics on their vehicles!

On their current listing, only Purge, Scourged, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Death Guard would really gain any benefit on their vehicles. Maybe some of the offensive traits like WE and RC on Daemon engines.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
On their current listing, only Purge, Scourged, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Death Guard would really gain any benefit on their vehicles. Maybe some of the offensive traits like WE and RC on Daemon engines.

Pretty much just Purge and Death guard, yes. Big winners would be walkers like the demon engines.

WHTV is showcasing the "Build your own Chapter" stuff on Friday it appears.

Read a BoLS article (ya I know) that broke down the number of unit entries and how it doesn't quite add up.
Basically it said the current SM codex has 85 datasheets and if you add in all the new units we've seen (11) you get 96 entries.
But the new SM codex is confirmed to only have 76. But if you remove all the Chapter specific characters and units, it's less than the 20 entry difference.

So it's possible a handful of units are either getting squatted, or HOPEFULLY condensed.
Dread/Ven Dread for example can exist on the same datasheet, as could Terminators/Assault Termies. Maybe even Captains can be condensed to 2 datasheets (instead of 5)

Any theories?

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 Galef wrote:
Read a BoLS article (ya I know) that broke down the number of unit entries and how it doesn't quite add up.
Basically it said the current SM codex has 85 datasheets and if you add in all the new units we've seen (11) you get 96 entries.
But the new SM codex is confirmed to only have 76. But if you remove all the Chapter specific characters and units, it's less than the 20 entry difference.

So it's possible a handful of units are either getting squatted, or HOPEFULLY condensed.
Dread/Ven Dread for example can exist on the same datasheet, as could Terminators/Assault Termies. Maybe even Captains can be condensed to 2 datasheets (instead of 5)

Any theories?

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Also Land Raiders.

Possibly, although with LRs, they have differing transport capacities, so they may stay separate entries. But Personally, I'd be 100% ok with a single LR variant with capacity 10 and more weapon swap choices. You could always put the Crusader back in the BT supplement

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 Galef wrote:
Possibly, although with LRs, they have differing transport capacities, so they may stay separate entries. But Personally, I'd be 100% ok with a single LR variant with capacity 10 and more weapon swap choices. You could always put the Crusader back in the BT supplement

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I'd rather just a straight capacity of 14 and then you put the guns on the chassis. It's REALLY just easier that way.

 Galef wrote:
Possibly, although with LRs, they have differing transport capacities, so they may stay separate entries. But Personally, I'd be 100% ok with a single LR variant with capacity 10 and more weapon swap choices. You could always put the Crusader back in the BT supplement

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Why would you want the worse transport capacity? Marine players really should aim a bit higher :p 10 models in 8th ed is awful considering how characters buffs work. Minimum capacity for a LR to be useful is 12, and it sucks that most marine vehicles are 10.

Land Raiders should hold 12 and the Crusader should hold 16.

Geez, sure 12 Capacity if fine. I just pulled 10 out of my brain (isn't that the Lascannon LR's capacity). My point was that you can combine all non-Crusader/Terminus LRs into 1 datasheet with a single capacity (12), but split the Terminus into the UM supplement and the Crusader (capacity 16) into the Imperial fist supplement (for BTs)

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 Galef wrote:
Geez, sure 12 Capacity if fine. I just pulled 10 out of nowhere. My point was that you can combine all non-Crusader/Terminus LRs into 1 datasheet with a single capacity, but split the Terminus into the UM supplement and the Crusader into the Imperial fist supplement (for BTs)

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Not allowing non-BT to use the Crusader after a decade+ of allowing them to use it isn't going to go over well

 Galef wrote:
Geez, sure 12 Capacity if fine.

Its not a trivial difference. The capacity to put a full squad plus HQ support in a single boat is a major selling point for the best transports.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Geez, sure 12 Capacity if fine.

Its not a trivial difference. The capacity to put a full squad plus HQ support in a single boat is a major selling point for the best transports.

I agree, but the number was hardly the thesis of my suggestion.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not allowing non-BT to use the Crusader after a decade+ of allowing them to use it isn't going to go over well

Probably not, but considering people hardly use LRs anyway, the outcry would be minimal. Plus, you could easily give the same weapon options to the shared LR datasheet, but only the capacity 16 to Imperial/Crimson fists and BTs

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The whole reason that the Crusader has more transport capacity is because it doesn't have the Lascannon capacitors. It makes no sense for a normal Land Raider with Hurricane Bolters to have lower transport cap.

While I hope I'm just doom-and-glooming, is there any confirmation that all of the RealMarine line is still in there? I doubt they'd do this, but they could drop Tacs, Devs, and ASM from the book (Among others).

There have been lots of LandRaider references, and at least one Rhino reference, so we know it can't be a wholesale "Anything old is Index-only". But I'd like to see some confirmation that they're not (yet) dropping the core units.

Bharring wrote:
While I hope I'm just doom-and-glooming, is there any confirmation that all of the RealMarine line is still in there?

The whole point was to include the new Primaris models, so of course the Primaris are there.

I doubt they'd do this, but they could drop Tacs, Devs, and ASM from the book (Among others).

Oh, you meant those guys. They will definitely still be there too.

If there’s an update today what is it usually for codexpreviews? Units or stratagems? I’m incredibly curious if they are going to adjust any of the marines base profiles.

Really stoked about some of the changes. I was going to start building a Death Eagles army but now I can wait for the new Codex and make decisions based on that. Stalker Bolt Rifles going to 2 damage definitely makes them more attractive option, especially when combined with the Indomitus Strategems, and I wonder if Veteran Intercessors will make its way into the Codex proper.