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 Crimson wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I doubt they'd do this, but they could drop Tacs, Devs, and ASM from the book (Among others).

Oh, you meant those guys. They will definitely still be there too.

And hopefully with better options/lower points cost
Tacticals, for example, might be able to take 2 special/heavy weapons per unit regardless of size, and maybe a third at 10-man.
And maybe Devs get T5 to match Havocs

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 John Prins wrote:
Really stoked about some of the changes. I was going to start building a Death Eagles army but now I can wait for the new Codex and make decisions based on that. Stalker Bolt Rifles going to 2 damage definitely makes them more attractive option, especially when combined with the Indomitus Strategems, and I wonder if Veteran Intercessors will make its way into the Codex proper.

Ooo, yes please. My Blood Angels would thank them for it.

Bharring wrote:
While I hope I'm just doom-and-glooming, is there any confirmation that all of the RealMarine line is still in there? I doubt they'd do this, but they could drop Tacs, Devs, and ASM from the book (Among others).

There have been lots of LandRaider references, and at least one Rhino reference, so we know it can't be a wholesale "Anything old is Index-only". But I'd like to see some confirmation that they're not (yet) dropping the core units.

All, without exception? No, there's no such confirmation at this time. But considering there's over 70 datasheets (I forgot the exact number) in the main codex and Primaris are by far not that numerous yet, there's a good chance that nothing that's in plastic has been dropped.

I could see GW taking the opportunity to get rid of the odd Finecast kit, especially if they redo characters as Primaris for the respective chapter supplements, but that's only speculation at this point.

With the buff to the stalker, surely the auto rifle version will gain a buff also?

It's fairly absurd to think their most successful range (plastic space marines) are getting dropped. Eldar has models from 1993.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
With the buff to the stalker, surely the auto rifle version will gain a buff also?

Assault 3 perhaps?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
With the buff to the stalker, surely the auto rifle version will gain a buff also?

Fingers crossed for Assault 3 on Auto BRs. That would make me 2 for 2 as I suggested D2 on Stalkers less than a week before it was confirmed, along with a suggestion on Assault 3 Auto BRs.

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I think at some point soon (like in the next 2 years) the old marine plastics will move to "online only" sales. If that happens, it's just a matter of time before they are discontinued. I think the Primaris model is supposed to represent the "true" size of a space marine, so all of the old models will have to go. You will know the coming of the end times when GW makes Primaris Assault and Devastator squads, and the end times are upon you if you see Primaris Terminators!

 Kirasu wrote:
It's fairly absurd to think their most successful range (plastic space marines) are getting dropped. Eldar has models from 1993.

They just announced a bunch of new plastic space marines.

I thought Inceptors, Hellblasters, and Aggressors were Assault, Devastator, and Terminator squads, respectively.

 Galef wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I doubt they'd do this, but they could drop Tacs, Devs, and ASM from the book (Among others).

Oh, you meant those guys. They will definitely still be there too.

And hopefully with better options/lower points cost
Tacticals, for example, might be able to take 2 special/heavy weapons per unit regardless of size, and maybe a third at 10-man.
And maybe Devs get T5 to match Havocs

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Jesus, way to kick chaos in the nuts, 3 specials/heavies at 10 would be a bit much and theres not reay any justification for t5 devastators.

Chaos marines remained the same points so I doubt they'll drop tacs, could be wrong!

Dudeface wrote:

Jesus, way to kick chaos in the nuts, 3 specials/heavies at 10 would be a bit much and theres not reay any justification for t5 devastators.

For clarity, I want the same thing for Chaos Marines too, it's just that they aren't getting an updated Codex right now. And if Havoc got T5 because the bulk of the weapon, Dev should too.

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 Galef wrote:

And hopefully with better options/lower points cost
Tacticals, for example, might be able to take 2 special/heavy weapons per unit regardless of size, and maybe a third at 10-man.
And maybe Devs get T5 to match Havocs

Not happening.

New article up discussing successor tactics... Sound like some of them could be very powerful when combined.

 Crimson wrote:

 Galef wrote:

And hopefully with better options/lower points cost
Tacticals, for example, might be able to take 2 special/heavy weapons per unit regardless of size, and maybe a third at 10-man.
And maybe Devs get T5 to match Havocs

Not happening.

Yeah, probably not. Which is why they'll continue to not be taken over Primaris units (just as planned)

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/06/space-marines-preview-create-your-own-chapter-tacticsgw-homepage-post-1/

build ye own chapters up.

 Latro_ wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/06/space-marines-preview-create-your-own-chapter-tacticsgw-homepage-post-1/

build ye own chapters up

11" Flamers.

BRB need to shower and have a smoke.

Ok, that mix n match has got me stoked as feth.

Shaping up to potentially make some tailored lists if there are 19 to pick that's what 361 combinations?

I'v got a funny feeling when the FF chapter supplements come out though they'll be so plastered with decent chapter specific relics and strategems it might relegate the custom chapter stuff to 'meh'

 Galef wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Jesus, way to kick chaos in the nuts, 3 specials/heavies at 10 would be a bit much and theres not reay any justification for t5 devastators.

For clarity, I want the same thing for Chaos Marines too, it's just that they aren't getting an updated Codex right now. And if Havoc got T5 because the bulk of the weapon, Dev should too.

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Havocs are t5 due to being all warp infused and frankly massive compared to a marine, the squad leader is t5 armed with a bolter.

The mix and match seems good and it looks like they haven't gone too wild with it either which is good.

 Latro_ wrote:
Shaping up to potentially make some tailored lists if there are 19 to pick that's what 361 combinations?

AFAIK the most common etiquette is to decide on traits and keywords at the army list stage. Yes, some people will try and abuse things like the Preferred Enemy trait but people did so anyway back in 4th and always will so no point in stressing about it.

Assuming it's 19 including Inheritors of the Primarch, it would be (18*17)+1=306 Combos, since you can't take the same trait twice and Inheritors of the Primarch is on it's lonesome.

I know, right?

I'm taking that "No Allies" 'disadvantage' again for sure!

 Alpharius wrote:
I know, right?

I'm taking that "No Allies" 'disadvantage' again for sure!

Except in 8th that's an actual downside!

The mix and match has me worried, it's very hard to balance 19 different bonuses with no cost attached and very likely there are some bonkers combinations.

As it seems like you'll be able to take the different parts of the main chapters as bonuses a couple that immediately jump out are:
Advance and charge + reroll any charge dice, makes for super reliable charges.
Fallback and shot/overwatch on 5 etc + reroll a single hit and wound, the salamanders have a great half a tactic, swapping the ignore ap1 for something better seems like a winner.

Or always in cover when 12" away and ignore AP-1...

Oh i didnt mean before the game of course!

With that many combos and the model range for space marines there is a massive swathe of list tailoring to specifc combos e.g. like you example 11" flamers... go made on agressors.

expect some will crop up to be the 'best' its gonna take some time though! might not be that painful to milk out the competitive juice if a few of them are 'meh' like the xenos race one

 Latro_ wrote:
Shaping up to potentially make some tailored lists if there are 19 to pick that's what 361 combinations?

171 combinations, as you can't pick doubles and order doesn't matter.

But we all know it's probably just going to be the same 5 or so combinations that everyone will use.

 Redemption wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Shaping up to potentially make some tailored lists if there are 19 to pick that's what 361 combinations?

171 combinations, as you can't pick doubles and order doesn't matter.

But we all know it's probably just going to be the same 5 or so combinations that everyone will use.

Oh right, ofc it's a Combination not a Permutation . I wish I wasn't so dumb.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/discretemathematics/combinations.php says 18 Pick 2 is 153, plus 1 for Inheritors of the Primarch

Huh, kinda interesting to see Knights of Blood on that big poster.

Yes, so 153 combinations if the Inheritors of the Primarch is one of the 19 options, and assuming you can just select the two component parts of the first founding tactics with the other 18 options.