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 Desubot wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
There are plenty of cool primaris models, but they're a mixed bag at best and the better models are dogged by the worst. Biggest problem of all is they just look awful next to normal marines, it detracts from both.

imho its the other way around for me.

its hard to look at old marine models next to primarus

that squatty potty look mate.

Precisely why I stick with Mk3-4. They have a little of it but it's significantly less.

Wait you can use flamers out of deepstrike now?

INC GW nerf bat.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
There are plenty of cool primaris models, but they're a mixed bag at best and the better models are dogged by the worst. Biggest problem of all is they just look awful next to normal marines, it detracts from both.

imho its the other way around for me.

its hard to look at old marine models next to primarus

that squatty potty look mate.

Precisely why I stick with Mk3-4. They have a little of it but it's significantly less.

If i had the cash id do the Japanese hero marines

they look REALLY good even next to primarus.

I'm totally down for Shrike getting Phobos gear. The new Eliminator Bolt Sniper Rifles are "Shrike Patterns" if I remember correctly...would be cool to see him get to be more of Corax's "ranged killer" side.

 Crablezworth wrote:
There are plenty of cool primaris models, but they're a mixed bag at best and the better models are dogged by the worst. Biggest problem of all is they just look awful next to normal marines, it detracts from both.

You are wise beyond your years, brother marine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm totally down for Shrike getting Phobos gear. The new Eliminator Bolt Sniper Rifles are "Shrike Patterns" if I remember correctly...would be cool to see him get to be more of Corax's "ranged killer" side.

That would be fine for a new character or the other Shadow Captain from FW. Shrike is a sneaky, CC killmonster. I want Omnis pattern for him.

I want phobos with a jump pack, not a inceptor jet pack, a jump pack.

BrianDavion wrote:
I want phobos with a jump pack, not a inceptor jet pack, a jump pack.

Eh, Omnis is probably the closest you get to that. I get what you are after, but I suspect that Reiver Armor with Grace Chutes is the closest Phobos will get to having a jump pack.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm totally down for Shrike getting Phobos gear. The new Eliminator Bolt Sniper Rifles are "Shrike Patterns" if I remember correctly...would be cool to see him get to be more of Corax's "ranged killer" side.

That would be fine for a new character or the other Shadow Captain from FW. Shrike is a sneaky, CC killmonster. I want Omnis pattern for him.

Shrike's whatever he damn well wants to be. He was "a sneaky, CC killmonster" when he was a Shadow Captain--he's not that anymore.
He's a Chapter Master. He has responsibilities he didn't before, and if he's the one we're getting Primarised? I can't imagine he'd be all "lemme get new claws bruh" when the previous Chapter Master was gunned down doing "sneaky, CC killmonster" stuff.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm totally down for Shrike getting Phobos gear. The new Eliminator Bolt Sniper Rifles are "Shrike Patterns" if I remember correctly...would be cool to see him get to be more of Corax's "ranged killer" side.

That would be fine for a new character or the other Shadow Captain from FW. Shrike is a sneaky, CC killmonster. I want Omnis pattern for him.

Shrike's whatever he damn well wants to be. He was "a sneaky, CC killmonster" when he was a Shadow Captain--he's not that anymore.
He's a Chapter Master. He has responsibilities he didn't before, and if he's the one we're getting Primarised? I can't imagine he'd be all "lemme get new claws bruh" when the previous Chapter Master was gunned down doing "sneaky, CC killmonster" stuff.

That is very true. If they make him a "cold sniper" type, it would be definitely jarring, but damn cool too. I wouldn't complain.

 Desubot wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
There are plenty of cool primaris models, but they're a mixed bag at best and the better models are dogged by the worst. Biggest problem of all is they just look awful next to normal marines, it detracts from both.

imho its the other way around for me.

its hard to look at old marine models next to primarus

that squatty potty look mate.

It's worth making the distinction between the sculpt and the concept of the design. Primaris certainly have better sculpts, but I still prefer the design of original marines. I would much rather have gotten updated sculpts of the old designs. Which i suppose we did for Chaos Marines, and they are easily one of the nicest kits GW has ever made. I do like Intercessors in general, but that's because they haven't changed much, whereas all the other Primaris are taking the designs in a new direction aesthetically.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
It's worth making the distinction between the sculpt and the concept of the design. Primaris certainly have better sculpts, but I still prefer the design of original marines. I would much rather have gotten updated sculpts of the old designs. Which i suppose we did for Chaos Marines, and they are easily one of the nicest kits GW has ever made. I do like Intercessors in general, but that's because they haven't changed much, whereas all the other Primaris are taking the designs in a new direction aesthetically.

I think Primaris Marines look great (for the most part - flying cannon guys are super dumb, and I don't like Reivers or Infiltrators much). My problem is that they just look like out of scale Marines to me.

It's a bit like the old FW Warboss on Bike. It didn't look like that to me. It looked like a 40mm (or more) Ork on a Bike. Everything was scaled up, rather than parts of the mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My problem is that they just look like out of scale Marines to me.

But if marines are supposed to be about seven feet tall then that's how big the models need to be compared to GWs normal humans in order to be scaled properly...

That wooshing noise is the sound of the point going right over your head.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That wooshing noise is the sound of the point going right over your head.

Your point is that properly scaled marines look out of scale to you...

Which doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.

 Kirasu wrote:

I would be very surprised if anyone else got custom tactics. This is a recycled idea from 4th edition and also no other army is marketed as having 1000 different chapters, nor does GW focus on sub factions of most armies. This will be a Marine only thing I bet

Umm you realize you just made case FOR spread? Custom chapter/regiment/whatever was heavily used in 4th ed besides marines?


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
There are plenty of cool primaris models, but they're a mixed bag at best and the better models are dogged by the worst. Biggest problem of all is they just look awful next to normal marines, it detracts from both.

imho its the other way around for me.

its hard to look at old marine models next to primarus

that squatty potty look mate.

It's worth making the distinction between the sculpt and the concept of the design. Primaris certainly have better sculpts, but I still prefer the design of original marines. I would much rather have gotten updated sculpts of the old designs. Which i suppose we did for Chaos Marines, and they are easily one of the nicest kits GW has ever made. I do like Intercessors in general, but that's because they haven't changed much, whereas all the other Primaris are taking the designs in a new direction aesthetically.

For me it's scale issue. Primaris are too tall to be marines of old fluff so no using them in armageddon campaign for example. They are off scale by head.

tneva82 wrote:
For me it's scale issue. Primaris are too tall to be marines of old fluff so no using them in armageddon campaign for example. They are off scale by head.

No, they aren't off scale. Minimarines are the ones with the borked scale.

I'd argue it's the regular humans that are the borked scale, and that Marines are fine.

Anyway, it's not about being too tall. They don't look like taller Marines. They look like Marines on a different scale. Like they're Marines from a 32+mm game mixed in with 28mmh minis. That's what Crimson didn't seem to understand.

That's why I don't like them. It's not the aesthetics.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue it's the regular humans that are the borked scale, and that Marines are fine.

Anyway, it's not about being too tall. They don't look like taller Marines. They look like Marines on a different scale. Like they're Marines from a 32+mm game mixed in with 28mmh minis. That's what Crimson didn't seem to understand.

That's why I don't like them. It's not the aesthetics.

You mean the regular humans and Eldar and Gaunts and Orks...
I like my Mk3-4 but lets not pretend Marines aren't off scale compared to literally everything else.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue it's the regular humans that are the borked scale, and that Marines are fine.

Anyway, it's not about being too tall. They don't look like taller Marines. They look like Marines on a different scale. Like they're Marines from a 32+mm game mixed in with 28mmh minis. That's what Crimson didn't seem to understand.

That's why I don't like them. It's not the aesthetics.

Hm, the torso of primaris is basicly the same as old marines and the extra height is mostly better proportioned legs. Yet the heads are slightly bigger on primaris. Has anyone tried to put old helmets on primaris?

 Fayric wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue it's the regular humans that are the borked scale, and that Marines are fine.

Anyway, it's not about being too tall. They don't look like taller Marines. They look like Marines on a different scale. Like they're Marines from a 32+mm game mixed in with 28mmh minis. That's what Crimson didn't seem to understand.

That's why I don't like them. It's not the aesthetics.

Hm, the torso of primaris is basicly the same as old marines and the extra height is mostly better proportioned legs. Yet the heads are slightly bigger on primaris. Has anyone tried to put old helmets on primaris?

yup, old heads (and shoulder pads) are entirely compatable. with the exception of beaky helms not fitting due to the gorget

BrianDavion wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue it's the regular humans that are the borked scale, and that Marines are fine.

Anyway, it's not about being too tall. They don't look like taller Marines. They look like Marines on a different scale. Like they're Marines from a 32+mm game mixed in with 28mmh minis. That's what Crimson didn't seem to understand.

That's why I don't like them. It's not the aesthetics.

Hm, the torso of primaris is basicly the same as old marines and the extra height is mostly better proportioned legs. Yet the heads are slightly bigger on primaris. Has anyone tried to put old helmets on primaris?

yup, old heads (and shoulder pads) are entirely compatable. with the exception of beaky helms not fitting due to the gorget

Can verify this for the chaos side of things.
Havocs are now slightly larger then primaris or csm and still can use old shoulderpads and arms.
Csm the new ones are 1:1 basic primaris size, sans Horns ofcourse.

GW's well aware that the most common/important custom bits are the ehad and shoulders

Btw classic marines (especially the modern ones) look proper scaled next to models like steel legion, metal cadians or other metal guardsmen. They are like a head taller. However the current cadia range and catachan range look massive next to any of those models. That's what skewd the scales. I dont think marimes like odd next to orks, guardians etc.

On the one hand, I hate that it has taken this long for GW to finally let me make a custom Chapter with proper tactics/relics/a Chapter Master.

But on the other hand...how soon can we expect absolutely broken combos with the new custom chapter tactics?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
On the one hand, I hate that it has taken this long for GW to finally let me make a custom Chapter with proper tactics/relics/a Chapter Master.

But on the other hand...how soon can we expect absolutely broken combos with the new custom chapter tactics?

I figure we'll start hearing about broken combos in about a week

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
On the one hand, I hate that it has taken this long for GW to finally let me make a custom Chapter with proper tactics/relics/a Chapter Master.

But on the other hand...how soon can we expect absolutely broken combos with the new custom chapter tactics?

I figure we'll start hearing about broken combos in about a week

I bet after the first reviews hit on Saturday.

Those chapters tactics do not seems that strong, if the current point cost will stay the same.

Like 6+++ on 1w 13+pts model? Yeaaah, ok, 4pts guardsmans are still better. Like 3...4 wounds for the same cost.

Things become real when those doctrines will be revealed. +1 atk first round AND +1 rend army whide via doctrine, now we ate talking.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
On the one hand, I hate that it has taken this long for GW to finally let me make a custom Chapter with proper tactics/relics/a Chapter Master.

But on the other hand...how soon can we expect absolutely broken combos with the new custom chapter tactics?

I figure we'll start hearing about broken combos in about a week

I bet after the first reviews hit on Saturday.

Considering GW and hints allready given, as soon as people have got views of the book.
Not a week, closer to 2 days maximum.



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Silver144 wrote:
Those chapters tactics do not seems that strong, if the current point cost will stay the same.

Like 6+++ on 1w 13+pts model? Yeaaah, ok, 4pts guardsmans are still better. Like 3...4 wounds for the same cost.

Things become real when those doctrines will be revealed. +1 atk first round AND +1 rend army whide via doctrine, now we ate talking.

Solve the issue of scale creep and bad mission, transport and price balancing by throwing add on rules galore at the army with the issues isn't going to solve this in the long run imo.
As much as like to finally see fleshed out chapter etc, i doubt it will not lead to issues bigger then present.

Shrike needs to have a Corvus helmet.