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Not Online!!! wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

balmong7 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:




Wtf even was the point in dex 2.0 for Chaos?!?

Look we already knew that no one in the rules writing department talks to each other or reads each other's work. This can't be that surprising. If I ever visit the GW offices I wouldn't be surprised to find that each office is on a different floor and they all have personal elevators to get to their private offices.

See, that's what get's me. SM get the propper rework.

We get the intern with no fething clue.

Who???

We see everything marines get, so next will be a poxy xenos


I mean we are trying to wipe our hands but f me they stick....

So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
banner relic got a nerfing, cant complain really with all the other buffs

didn't they double it's range?

no they added 3 inches and removed its ability for an ancient to trigger a shot on 3, its now only a 4

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

Woot kill more things latlh HoH ...


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Marines need to survive more not die easier to be viable, but what do I know,

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

Woot kill more things latlh HoH ...


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Marines need to survive more not die easier to be viable, but what do I know,

For that to work you could look at Death guard.
Oh wat Plague marines went down twice allready and were not really picked.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

Woot kill more things latlh HoH ...


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Marines need to survive more not die easier to be viable, but what do I know,

Play Deathguard if you want durable marines.

These guys are now real dangerous. Can't kill them if you're dead

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

Woot kill more things latlh HoH ...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Marines need to survive more not die easier to be viable, but what do I know,

For that to work you could look at Death guard.
Oh wat Plague marines went down twice allready and were not really picked.

Probably because they're still only have 1 dinky attack and their Bolters aren't counted as plague weapons for whatever forsaken reason.


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Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
So in a game already over bloated, too lethal, and way to front loaded on the first turn or so, they decide to triple the rules (not even counting the splat books lol) and further reduce points.

This book should highlight how incapable or unwilling GW is to try to make the game healthy. Old habits die hard.

Drop points, make the game more lethal. Now you get to buy double the guys to play the same points in the same time! Sucks for that guy who painstakingly built and painted 80 guardsmen, they get evaporated in a phase lol.

All the books going forward will follow this same recipe. Heck, I bet books like blood angels even have splat books for flesh tearers etc.

But when eldar or admech get an update like this, the game really will be a 50/50 coin flip for first turn lol.

like 8th at start almost, true i didnt see many survivable things just mass killing, mass killing, mass killing, which is why I went DW at start can survive, and kill.

Thing with marines is they die, a lot, didnt look at to much but hopefully fixed? There problem was not offensive, but how long survive for points, is not fixed but atleast they kill more...

The problem WAS entirely offensive. They're more survivable if you looked at the math compared to previous editions. The issue became that even Gaunts get saves to your basic Bolter.

After watching the GMG reviews of the Codex, it looks like Intercessor Sergeants can take a Thunder Hammer. Not bad!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
After watching the GMG reviews of the Codex, it looks like Intercessor Sergeants can take a Thunder Hammer. Not bad!

I literally do not get this. Why the feth is the Intercessor sergeant the only Primaris model that is allowed to have decent gear options? Not other sergeants, not the characters. It is really frustrating. Marines got a lot of buffs, but they din't get the one thing I wanted the most, which was to be able to reasonably equip my Primaris characters.

So based on this wording the doctrines look to be mono faction only. Linked from wildweasel over at b&c.

Ah they explicitly say storm of fire does not stack with the doctrines. I was wondering about that.

So is there already a glaring misprint in the Ultramarines supplement?

The warlord traits for Guilliman and Calgar seem reversed.

Per the new supplement, Calgar has Adept of the Codex (ie get CP’s back) and Guilliman has Nobility Made Manifest (ie units within 6” can heroically intervene).

WTF?

This. I do not play marines, but more ideas like this to benefit mono-codex lists would be great, at the moment there is no benefit to taking mono-faction lists really.


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 oni wrote:
So is there already a glaring misprint in the Ultramarines supplement?

The warlord traits for Guilliman and Calgar seem reversed.

Per the new supplement, Calgar has Adept of the Codex (ie get CP’s back) and Guilliman has Nobility Made Manifest (ie honour guard within 6” can heroically intervene).

WTF?

Maybe they wanted more people to take Calgar?

So the drop pod says that it and all units embarked are exempt from the tactical reserves rule.

Does this mean I can put more than half my army in deep strike before the game? Since that rule is also part of Tactical Reserves.

balmong7 wrote:
So the drop pod says that it and all units embarked are exempt from the tactical reserves rule.

Does this mean I can put more than half my army in deep strike before the game? Since that rule is also part of Tactical Reserves.

If think something is to good it is...Think of it as if it is gold...if it is to good cant get it and wont get it until the end

balmong7 wrote:
So the drop pod says that it and all units embarked are exempt from the tactical reserves rule.

Does this mean I can put more than half my army in deep strike before the game? Since that rule is also part of Tactical Reserves.

OH I hope so. That’s awesome! That makes Drop Pods good again.

also means they can come on first turn!

hello 11" flamer squad

Removed - BrookM

There’s some cool stuff and some seemingly dumb stuff in this release. +3” range flamers huh? Mhm. Drop pods coming in first turn to let these flamers turn 1 wreck huh? Mhm. It’s not like alpha strike is heinous already...

This is potentially okay though if this is thought out for a 8.5/9th Ed, and they put Kill Team style activation in. That’d be nice.

Also, I’m looking forward to a Blood Angels update with some of these changes looking pretty awesome, and I look forward to getting my own versions.

feel like rag on big bang theory

Ragnar69 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also with all the datasheets being available to all Chapters as it suggests, that means you Dark Angels players can finally enjoy 4++ Centurions.

I guess DAs/BAs/SWs will become supplements like in 3rd edition. That's fine as long as we don't get the situation from 4th where SW still only had that 3rd ed. Supplement and didn't get the goodies from the new SM dex.

Doesnt seem a problem... Moondraken is now obviously a relic.... no Whitescare bikers any where to be sceen...

to be fair what are a bunch of first turn flamers gonna do even 10 of them e.g. orks
30 hits, 15 wounds, prob rocking some kff or something 10 dead?

next turn that unit is mush.

Confirmed from another reviewer. Impulsor CANNOT carry Gravis or Jump Pack units.

W4 for Centurions really does a lot to help them against random damage rolls. It was the move I was hoping for at least.

Jesus....I can't keep up with all of the twist and turns of over reaction here....

Its Perfect!

Its OP!

Its Stupid!

Its Awesome!

Game Broken!

GW sucks!

GW is Awesome!

 Da-Rock wrote:
Jesus....I can't keep up with all of the twist and turns of over reaction here....

Its Perfect!

Its OP!

Its Stupid!

Its Awesome!

Game Broken!

GW sucks!

GW is Awesome!

You're right. All people should only ever be allowed to have a single constant opinion ever, Comrade.

$250 US for Indominatus Edition.

I’m usually a sucker for the LEs, but no thanks.

Dudeface wrote:
So based on this wording the doctrines look to be mono faction only

I don't know if this is actually going somewhere but if it is I like where this is going.

Doctrines are SM Soup only, you can't bring in any other non-Space Marine units in matched play.

I like it. Bonuses for mono-faction.