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anyone got a list of all the successor chapter traits?

 Latro_ wrote:
anyone got a list of all the successor chapter traits?

https://youtu.be/QDG0ScWFJuo?t=2616

Apparently Vindicaters are now D6 according to one YouTube review, any confirmations from others?

Hmm. Odd that no part of either Fists tactic made it to the Successor Tactics, everyone else got a piece of their CT into the list.

A couple sort of interesting combinations, but overall I think the standard CTs are better constructed.

With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Apparently Vindicaters are now D6 according to one YouTube review, any confirmations from others?

Looking at the video I posted a couple of pages back, that looks to be the case. I'm about 90% certain it says D6 shots now.

For me its gonna be reroll bolter hits of a one and combine that with swapping my captains for lieutenants.

And stealthy

Sit back let the bolters ring

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

Well, the Chaplain will need to be in place first as the Littanies are done at start of turn. He can't just deepstrike in and assist.

Chaplin litany has to be done at the start of the turn... cant do it on deepstrikers

This is all I can think of when I see Chaplains giving +1 to hit with shooting

 BaconCatBug wrote:
This is all I can think of when I see Chaplains giving +1 to hit with shooting

Prescience ++,
Litany is on 3+ right?

All Gravis went up to three wounds (and Agressors to 3 attacks) with no points change. That's huge, I'm going to field at least 3 bolter/plasma Inceptors + 3 boltstorm Agressors.

Plus, Chaplains seem to pair nicely with Boltstorm Agressors. +1 to wound prayer, +1 to hit prayer, +2 to charge prayer... It's a shame none of them gives a defensive boost.

But the half-damage Stratagem (for 1 CP) is also a godsend for them.

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

Aggressors got a massive boost. It's honestly scary what they will be able to do. Thank goodness they can't ride in the cheap transports. Glad I have 12 of the guys because they're gonna see a lot of use. One block of six can be heavily boosted and have that buff to make them unable to be wounded on a 1,2,3 will be massive levels of durability on a t5 3 wound platform.

DanielFM wrote:
All Gravis went up to three wounds (and Agressors to 3 attacks) with no points change. That's huge, I'm going to field at least 3 bolter/plasma Inceptors + 3 boltstorm Agressors.

Plus, Chaplains seem to pair nicely with Boltstorm Agressors. +1 to wound prayer, +1 to hit prayer, +2 to charge prayer... It's a shame none of them gives a defensive boost.

But the half-damage Stratagem (for 1 CP) is also a godsend for them.

Would have to have multiple chaplains, as a Chaplain can only chant one at a time.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

I asked when.
Not what you think about his position.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

I asked when.
Not what you think about his position.

Since the current Marine Codex was released, then.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

I asked when.
Not what you think about his position.

Since the current Marine Codex was released, then.

So 8th edition.
Not 7th no nothing.
So your argument is, questionable?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

I asked when.
Not what you think about his position.

Since the current Marine Codex was released, then.

So 8th edition.
Not 7th no nothing.
So your argument is, questionable?

The bickering isn't really relevant either.

Back to SM stuff.

Gravis Cap got the buffs too, which is awesomesauce.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
With the +2" charge distance thingie from Chaplains BT are back in business. 7" charges with 'Ere We Go from Deep Strike.

Yay, another thing stolen (and improved) from orks. Why bother playing any other faction when marines kan do everything?

And the Orks stole it and improved it from Black Templars in the first place. Zero sympathy for you guys in that department.

Excactly when could Black templar deep strike and charge?

'Ere We Go is the old BT Chapter Tactic except better. Complaining that BT get to "steal" this capacity when Orks did the same thing is rank hypocricsy.

I asked when.
Not what you think about his position.

Since the current Marine Codex was released, then.

So 8th edition.
Not 7th no nothing.
So your argument is, questionable?

How is my argument "questionable". The complaint was that Black Templars had somehow "stolen" Orks' ability to do Deep Strike charges reliably. The thing is Orks already stole that from Black Templars in the first place anyway. I think that argument is bunk (you don't "steal" rerolls to charge ranges and + to charge distance in 8th edition, a bunch of stuff has it), but even if I didn't reject the premise the argument is bunk.

 Crazyterran wrote:

DanielFM wrote:
All Gravis went up to three wounds (and Agressors to 3 attacks) with no points change. That's huge, I'm going to field at least 3 bolter/plasma Inceptors + 3 boltstorm Agressors.

Plus, Chaplains seem to pair nicely with Boltstorm Agressors. +1 to wound prayer, +1 to hit prayer, +2 to charge prayer... It's a shame none of them gives a defensive boost.

But the half-damage Stratagem (for 1 CP) is also a godsend for them.

Would have to have multiple chaplains, as a Chaplain can only chant one at a time.

I just listed different interesting options. Not suggesting they would be up simultaneously.

So with the +1 wounds, I guess this confirms Gravis are the new Terminators for Primaris then?

Sucks, I was really hoping for at least one new update of the old kits...

the invictor sounds pretty damn solid, 110? 120 points.

 warboss wrote:

 Da-Rock wrote:
Jesus....I can't keep up with all of the twist and turns of over reaction here....

Its Perfect!

Its OP!

Its Stupid!

Its Awesome!

Game Broken!

GW sucks!

GW is Awesome!

You're right. All people should only ever be allowed to have a single constant opinion ever, Comrade.

Really? That's it? You phone it in with that?

So, Sternguard with a Chaplain and Tactical Doctrine can now have AP-3 30" bolters with Bolter Discipline that wound on 2+ against T4 and 4+ against T8 if you pop their stratagem. That's pretty juicy.

Not quite, the lack of invulnerable save, varied weapon load-out including dedicated Close Combat load-out, not carrying heavy weapons on a single arm with a close combat weapon on the other and the inability to deep strike means they are not terminator replacements yet. I personally think they will update terminators personally to primaris size and aggressors will be more like a centurion.

Terminators are far too iconic to be squatted, I could be wrong but it is so prevalent throughout the law, i don’t think it will be sacked off for gravis armour.

Just wondering if anyone so if the auto bolt rifles profile had changed.

Before it was the exact same profile as the bolt carbine.

I so a rumour it was going to become assualt 3