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 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they release the supplements rapidly, or at least announce the schedule. I bought the codex but I didn't buy either of the supplements, as I want to first know what all my options are.

Agreed, though I take hope from the trickle that each supplement will have a model release attached to it. But after seeing the options in both supplements so far, I would take no model in exchange for the supplement early.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they release the supplements rapidly, or at least announce the schedule. I bought the codex but I didn't buy either of the supplements, as I want to first know what all my options are.

Agreed, though I take hope from the trickle that each supplement will have a model release attached to it. But after seeing the options in both supplements so far, I would take no model in exchange for the supplement early.

I doubt it's going to take too long to get the other supplements, considering how much the model releases for the generic units are drawn out. That kind of looks like GW wants to ride the Marine wave for a while with something like two supplements one week, as few generic models as they can get away with the next week, then another two supplements and their respective characters the following week, and so on, for six or seven weeks of Marine releases and easy money. Might not be going that way, but that's my guess.

We'll get a preview of something tonight from an event I've never heard of before. Maybe that's going to include the next supplements.

What event?

 Crimson wrote:
What event?

Ardacon SBG International. It will be strictly a Middle-earth SBG preview.

Some Middle Earth one according to the banner on Warhammer Community:



Might just be about Middle Earth stuff. Might be I was tired and imagining things but I could swear that GW changed the banner twice from the version they had up yesterday and it didn't originally have the big Middle Earth part.

 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they release the supplements rapidly, or at least announce the schedule. I bought the codex but I didn't buy either of the supplements, as I want to first know what all my options are.

They know every time they get you to crack open your wallet its an opportunity where you might buy more than just that codex or supplement. Even if forcing two separate purchases only coaxes 1% of people into buying anything extra, they come out $1M on top. Its the sort of marketing that only works because they know they have such an addicted and captive customer base.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/16/space-marines-new-rules-for-non-codex-chaptersgw-homepage-post-3/

Non-codex chapters got royally fethed over.

Wow, the FAQ did even less than I thought it would.

My Dark Angels are getting shelved unless the September stuff is really good...

Notice the Chapter Masters only reroll failed to-hit rolls in the PDF rather than hit rolls like Roboute and Calgar give. Big surprise there... GW just can't not continue their Ultra-fellatio.

Sterling191 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/16/space-marines-new-rules-for-non-codex-chaptersgw-homepage-post-3/

Non-codex chapters got royally fethed over.

I see a whole bunch of buffs, improved rules and new units to choose from. Can't find the 'fethed over' page in these PDFs.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Notice the Chapter Masters only reroll failed to-hit rolls in the PDF rather than hit rolls like Roboute and Calgar give. Big surprise there... GW just can't not continue their Ultra-fellatio.

They just reprinted their old rules. Presumably any Primarisified versions (if we get them) would get new datasheets in the supplement.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Notice the Chapter Masters only reroll failed to-hit rolls in the PDF rather than hit rolls like Roboute and Calgar give. Big surprise there... GW just can't not continue their Ultra-fellatio.

That is certainly just a copy-paste fuckup. They just copied the datasheets from the old codex. The stratagem updated CM in the new codex has same wording than Calgar.

 xttz wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/16/space-marines-new-rules-for-non-codex-chaptersgw-homepage-post-3/

Non-codex chapters got royally fethed over.

I see a whole bunch of buffs, improved rules and new units to choose from. Can't find the 'fethed over' page in these PDFs.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Notice the Chapter Masters only reroll failed to-hit rolls in the PDF rather than hit rolls like Roboute and Calgar give. Big surprise there... GW just can't not continue their Ultra-fellatio.

They just reprinted their old rules. Presumably any Primarisified versions (if we get them) would get new datasheets in the supplement.

'fethed over' as in no doctrines and no improved chapter tactics.

Slaul wrote:


'fethed over' as in no doctrines and no improved chapter tactics.

Also locked into obsolete versions of specific units, and no updated strategems.

The entire "update" is "you get Shock Assault, now go away cause your armies dont matter".

So can I get some clarification. I am a Blood Angels player and my friend whom I play with is a Space Wolves player, is there literally any reason for us to purchase the new Space Marine Codex or is this PDF update all we really need. Do any of these new strats like forward advance and the bolter stuff actually effect our armies or are the strats only for codex compliant armies within the book?

Slaul wrote:


'fethed over' as in no doctrines and no improved chapter tactics.

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

EldarExarch wrote:
So can I get some clarification. I am a Blood Angels player and my friend whom I play with is a Space Wolves player, is there literally any reason for us to purchase the new Space Marine Codex or is this PDF update all we really need. Do any of these new strats like forward advance and the bolter stuff actually effect our armies or are the strats only for codex compliant armies within the book?

None whatsoever.

I love that Reiver Lts have no way to deploy with Reivers.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Notice the Chapter Masters only reroll failed to-hit rolls in the PDF rather than hit rolls like Roboute and Calgar give. Big surprise there... GW just can't not continue their Ultra-fellatio.

That is certainly just a copy-paste fuckup. They just copied the datasheets from the old codex. The stratagem updated CM in the new codex has same wording than Calgar.

I sent them a message on Facebook to update them properly. Time will tell if they pull their heads out of their asses regarding an easily fixed problem.

 xttz wrote:

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

Im genuinely very confused as to how you think Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Dark Angels, Space Wolves or Blood Angels are in any meaningful way improved by this update.

Sterling191 wrote:

Slaul wrote:


'fethed over' as in no doctrines and no improved chapter tactics.

Also locked into obsolete versions of specific units, and no updated strategems.

The entire "update" is "you get Shock Assault, now go away cause your armies dont matter".

feels bad man. Feels bad.

 xttz wrote:

Slaul wrote:


'fethed over' as in no doctrines and no improved chapter tactics.

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

You are looking at it out of context. Yes, objectively when looked at in a vacuum the PDF download is an improvement. However, when looked at as a whole in comparison with the new Space Marine codex and all of the new bonuses that they get all non-codex compliant chapters are indeed fethed over.

Sterling191 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

Im genuinely very confused as to how you think Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Dark Angels, Space Wolves or Blood Angels are in any meaningful way improved by this update.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or just didn't read any of the PDFs.

 xttz wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

Im genuinely very confused as to how you think Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Dark Angels, Space Wolves or Blood Angels are in any meaningful way improved by this update.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or just didn't read any of the PDFs.

I will repeat my question. Which of the fundamental flaws in the above armies are now fixed as a result of getting one additional attack?

 xttz wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

So something that gets objectively better than it was previously with no downsides, can be described as 'fethed over'?

Got it.

Im genuinely very confused as to how you think Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Dark Angels, Space Wolves or Blood Angels are in any meaningful way improved by this update.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or just didn't read any of the PDFs.

If your parents give your brother $1000 and give you $10 you are objectively better off than before but are still allowed to be upset at how unfair the situation is and how worse off you are in comparison.

Don’t worry everyone, we’re going to get our own updates soon, this actually proves it I’d say. We’re purposefully not getting certain things like stratagems or Doctrines. I’d say it’s because DA/SW/BA/etc, are going to get their own versions in their books when they come.

Just a hunch anyway, I could be wrong, but I hope I’m right haha.

TBF I wasn't really expecting anything more than 'official' word on what chapters get what in terms of new units, Shock Assault, Bolter discipline etc. So it's sort of an update and not one at the same time.

New stratagems, proper combat doctrines and all that good stuff updates should come with revised codexes/supplements later on.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Don’t worry everyone, we’re going to get our own updates soon, this actually proves it I’d say. We’re purposefully not getting certain things like stratagems or Doctrines. I’d say it’s because DA/SW/BA/etc, are going to get their own versions in their books when they come.

Just a hunch anyway, I could be wrong, but I hope I’m right haha.

It just sucks because I basically have to shelve my Dark Angels until such a time as GW decides to release a new codex/supplement. Hopefully September if the White Dwarf leaks are anything to go off of.

Do I read this correctly? The Index Imperium is not mentioned, only FW indices. So the index units have effectively been banned?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Don’t worry everyone, we’re going to get our own updates soon, this actually proves it I’d say. We’re purposefully not getting certain things like stratagems or Doctrines. I’d say it’s because DA/SW/BA/etc, are going to get their own versions in their books when they come.

Just a hunch anyway, I could be wrong, but I hope I’m right haha.

Deathwatch have been waiting six months for the Shadowspear units and still haven’t gotten them. Grey Knights have been fethed for years.

Not getting something in a release isn’t remotely an indication that an army will get something “soon tm “