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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "

hahahaaaaaaa yeah lets face it we all think like that when something in our codex just makes everything else look like a cigarette ashtray in a brothel..
Im stealing your words sir!

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
They seem to be doing a silly throw-back to the old Space marine armor is good enough a la speeders, so not having an additional armor plate would allow for reduced weight.

That doesn't make any sense because the rest of the walker is still armored. The open cockpit removes a relatively small amount of armor in exchange for a massive weak point, since even if the driver won't be killed by a hit it's definitely got a bunch of vulnerable controls systems and angles to get a shot in behind the armor plates and such. It reads much less as "light scout walker that sacrifices armor for speed" and more like a $5 toy that should have a bunch of marketing hype about how cool it is that you can open the cockpit and put your action figures inside. It's a design and everyone involved should be ashamed of it.

Are you trying to tell me that the Invictor is just as well armored as the Redemptor? I won’t argue design aesthetic, as that differs from person to person.

That Invictor spec ops walker doesn't look half-bad. As far as combat exoskeletons go, its design is far more logical than the Dreadknight (aka The Baby Carrier).


Slap on some "glass" for a canopy feel, and it would be golden

 Argive wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "

hahahaaaaaaa yeah lets face it we all think like that when something in our codex just makes everything else look like a cigarette ashtray in a brothel..
Im stealing your words sir!

Wonderful, I hope you do. I'll say it myself next time I find a model ugly or questionable, but them rules are so fine it makes me see the models inner beauty instead. It's really a tale as old as time, part of the deeper meaning of warhammer. I never knew the game was so deep.

I totally called out the blurry picture a month ago as baby carrier 2.0.

Its a strange statement that those who dislike primaris have not seen them. I mean we play the game and socialize. It's two years since release, of course we have all seen them appear in games. If we did not buy them some of our friends or opponents did. Do you think we live in caves or what?

I actually live in a vault, for a bright future underground. To avoid the impending nukes and emerge after it all settles down to explore the wasteland because war, war never changes.

So that would be my excuse for never seeing a Primaris.

Yes the argument that people who dislike primaris haven't seen them in person and therefore they cant comment on them is bizarre and desperate

First of all, you can absolutely determine if you like a model just from viewing it online.

Secondly, as if people who don't own them haven't actually seen them in real life. This is completely laughable to think they haven't. Gamers and collectors regularly go to local GWs, Independents, events and gaming with friends, its highly unlikely the vast majority haven't seen primaris up close multiple times in the 2+ years since they were released.

I go to Dark Sphere and my home and work local Warhammers all the time, i have seen the full current range of primaris in person many times. I'm sure i'll see the new ones in the next couple of weeks.

Seeing them in person hasn't made me like them or changed my opinion their aethsetic is poor.

I also actually do own a few bits. I got a redemptor as i like the model, and its just basically a big dreadnought. I got a box of 5 Intercessors, and a few Dark Imperium Intercessors from a bits site, to see if i would like them after getting used to them (it didn't work). I also have the DA lieutenant and upgrade sprues, to use parts on my classic DA

Gitdakka wrote:
Its a strange statement that those who dislike primaris have not seen them. I mean we play the game and socialize. It's two years since release, of course we have all seen them appear in games. If we did not buy them some of our friends or opponents did. Do you think we live in caves or what?

Here’s a protip from me- stop answering this clearly troll account and stop quoting it (so I don’t see it). There is a reason I have that clown on ignore.

The primaris range has been a huge hit and miss for me. Some models I really like, for instance the redemptor, intercessors, vanguard and most of the characters.

The rest of the range is imho mediocre to outright bad, with particular dislike for inceptors and most vehicles.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
^Why would I have bought Dark Imperium?

not you in specific but I suspect most marine players did, it was a good value for the money and all. quite frankly if youve never first hand gotten a good look at primaris you proably should before you judge the model. even the repulsor isn't as bad in person.

I bought primaris on ebay for a small alpha-legion conversion project. And they are plenty in the shop nearby, people paint them and put them on display.

BrianDavion wrote:
fun fact Phobos is the greek god of fear, thus phobos armor basicly translates as terror armor.

Makes sense, that's where the word 'phobia' comes from

as for Phobos being the future of all Primairs.. where the hell do you get that idea?

Every infantry model released since Shadowspear is in Phobo armour. Infiltrators/Incursors, every non-named Character, Eliminators, the light-dread pilot, etc.
Now, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to have the lighter looking phobos armour in some cases, but so far the only models in the "classic" (if you can call it that) Primaris armour are Intercessors, Hellblasters and (I think) Suppressors, plus a handful of Characters. Everything else is Gravis or Phobos. All I am saying is that the non-Phobos, non-Gravis armour should be more common as it looks more like "classic" Space marine armour dialed to 11.

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Suppressors are packing Omnis pattern armor. And frankly Im not all that worried that its a "phobos or bust" train. The initial release was nothing but Tacticus and Gravis with a single Phobos (which didnt even have the name at the time). It's an uneven release of the entire line.

robbienw wrote:
Yes the argument that people who dislike primaris haven't seen them in person and therefore they cant comment on them is bizarre and desperate

First of all, you can absolutely determine if you like a model just from viewing it online.

Secondly, as if people who don't own them haven't actually seen them in real life. This is completely laughable to think they haven't. Gamers and collectors regularly go to local GWs, Independents, events and gaming with friends, its highly unlikely the vast majority haven't seen primaris up close multiple times in the 2+ years since they were released.

I go to Dark Sphere and my home and work local Warhammers all the time, i have seen the full current range of primaris in person many times. I'm sure i'll see the new ones in the next couple of weeks.

Seeing them in person hasn't made me like them or changed my opinion their aethsetic is poor.

I also actually do own a few bits. I got a redemptor as i like the model, and its just basically a big dreadnought. I got a box of 5 Intercessors, and a few Dark Imperium Intercessors from a bits site, to see if i would like them after getting used to them (it didn't work). I also have the DA lieutenant and upgrade sprues, to use parts on my classic DA

Hey I know you hate the Primaris, but you have to start making the switch eventually.

You can hate, and refuse, and make it hard on yourself and end up with a less supported army. Or you can enjoy the new, dynamic model range that is growing and evolving very quickly.

The haters can hate, and then can complain, but Games Workshop is selling models through the roof and the new Primaris kits will be massive hits.

Well we agree on something. I prefer primaris in most ways, but multi damage weapons have been a real problem .

I have mixed feelings about primaris.

Intercessor/Hellblaster design look amazing.

Gravis look fat and not in a good way.

Suppressors and inceptors look absolutely stupid as feth.

Phobos armour in general looks ok especially eliminators.

Repulsor and Impulsor look good but I avoid vehicles this edition.

Redemptor is awesome.... but +1 to the new babycarrier dread looking like a MCDs happymeal toy. That model has no place in a SM line. Ew.

It actually makes sense lore wise for the this particular dread to have a non entombed marine.

Stealth missions are generally take longer and the redemptor "burns" up whoever is in the sarcophagus, so unless Primaris marines are dragging around refills for it it makes a bit more sense

 Ishagu wrote:

You can hate, and refuse, and make it hard on yourself

What does this even mean? What is hard? Not buying armies and models I dislike?
It's quite simple for me my dude, I have no idea why it shouldn't. One can drop an army or a game altogether for these reasons (I don' think this it's the case with primaris, and for sure not for 40k as a whole at the moment).

 Ishagu wrote:

robbienw wrote:
Yes the argument that people who dislike primaris haven't seen them in person and therefore they cant comment on them is bizarre and desperate

First of all, you can absolutely determine if you like a model just from viewing it online.

Secondly, as if people who don't own them haven't actually seen them in real life. This is completely laughable to think they haven't. Gamers and collectors regularly go to local GWs, Independents, events and gaming with friends, its highly unlikely the vast majority haven't seen primaris up close multiple times in the 2+ years since they were released.

I go to Dark Sphere and my home and work local Warhammers all the time, i have seen the full current range of primaris in person many times. I'm sure i'll see the new ones in the next couple of weeks.

Seeing them in person hasn't made me like them or changed my opinion their aethsetic is poor.

I also actually do own a few bits. I got a redemptor as i like the model, and its just basically a big dreadnought. I got a box of 5 Intercessors, and a few Dark Imperium Intercessors from a bits site, to see if i would like them after getting used to them (it didn't work). I also have the DA lieutenant and upgrade sprues, to use parts on my classic DA

Hey I know you hate the Primaris, but you have to start making the switch eventually.

Lol what, I don't have to switch anything. I'm not going to buy models I don't like, that would be absurd

 Ishagu wrote:

robbienw wrote:
Yes the argument that people who dislike primaris haven't seen them in person and therefore they cant comment on them is bizarre and desperate

First of all, you can absolutely determine if you like a model just from viewing it online.

Secondly, as if people who don't own them haven't actually seen them in real life. This is completely laughable to think they haven't. Gamers and collectors regularly go to local GWs, Independents, events and gaming with friends, its highly unlikely the vast majority haven't seen primaris up close multiple times in the 2+ years since they were released.

I go to Dark Sphere and my home and work local Warhammers all the time, i have seen the full current range of primaris in person many times. I'm sure i'll see the new ones in the next couple of weeks.

Seeing them in person hasn't made me like them or changed my opinion their aethsetic is poor.

I also actually do own a few bits. I got a redemptor as i like the model, and its just basically a big dreadnought. I got a box of 5 Intercessors, and a few Dark Imperium Intercessors from a bits site, to see if i would like them after getting used to them (it didn't work). I also have the DA lieutenant and upgrade sprues, to use parts on my classic DA

Hey I know you hate the Primaris, but you have to start making the switch eventually.

You can hate, and refuse, and make it hard on yourself and end up with a less supported army. Or you can enjoy the new, dynamic model range that is growing and evolving very quickly.

The haters can hate, and then can complain, but Games Workshop is selling models through the roof and the new Primaris kits will be massive hits.

No, actually I don't have to switch ever. I'd leave the hobby behind before I give them a dime for a primaris kit.

Another +1 for "No, I don't have to make a swtch."

I don't think people will HAVE to make the switch, but I do think people will, inevitably adopt primaris. as more and more units come in people will find something they like.

It’s far from inevitable.

We know from the Jes voxcast that the future Primaris release waves will be centred on the already existing armour types, the current wave being the Phobos one.

So if you already know you don’t like Primaris models, you are unlikely to like future ones we know will be based on Gravis, Omnis and Tacticus.