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Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.

 Vankraken wrote:
Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.

because when people talk about Primeorks they're not asking for Primaris Orks. rather they're talking about Primarch Sized Orcs, that first appered in War of the Beast. basicly they want a Ork answer to Gulliman

 Jidmah wrote:
Orruks have different Aestetics than Orks though. I don't think GW is clever enough to provide the models with two sets of heads so they can be both

You are correct. I was referring specifically to models for Endless Spells (if 40k ends up getting them) but I wasn't being very clear.

Just so everyone understands, this post is sarcasm. I am not expecting anything other than disappointment.

It would be great if it *wasnt* just marketing hype.
Although, I think we should put a little bit of pressure on GW in the form of facebook comments about this year's Orktober.

Who knows, we might get something.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
Although, I think we should put a little bit of pressure on GW in the form of facebook comments about this year's Orktober.

Who knows, we might get something.

I don't know about that, I doubt it would result in us getting anything and it will probably just annoy people. They aren't going to be able to produce anything new in just a couple months other than maybe a PDF.

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober, and I imagine if people start bothering GW about an Orktober this year when none has been announced it will just feed into that impression.

(I think that Ork player's new reputation as the faction of whiners is mostly inaccurate, although there have certainly been some people who have been prolific and hyperbolic complainers.)

GW made a rod for their own back last year when they over hyped 'Orktober' roughly 4 months too soon and delivered a lackluster 'Buggyvember', while releasing new SM and Eldar models/starter sets in October. The models are beautiful but unplayable. We still have primary troop sculpts that are of drinking age. We lost more options because 'no models no rules dawg' than we gained last year. A non-metal warboss with big choppa would be nice. A warboss in MA model would be nice. Failcast models should not exist for any faction. It would be nice if our primary faction special character, our equivalent to Abaddon or Guilliman was a decent stature rather than a puny git.

Obviously we're getting nothing this year and probably for a few years yet to come.

Best not to hope at this stage. If you don't play power armour you don't get updates. That is very clearly GWs mandate for now.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.

because when people talk about Primeorks they're not asking for Primaris Orks. rather they're talking about Primarch Sized Orcs, that first appered in War of the Beast. basicly they want a Ork answer to Gulliman

yea, this. Ghaz really at this point should be primeork size and given the number of orks out there there are bound to be a few in the galaxy harassin the tau and other unknown regions. I am not advocating for replacing anythign other than having a prmeork / ghaz kit redone and have a statline and abilities in line with guilliman, magnus, and mortarian. Separate note but with Eldar would be nice if they also while maybe not updating the kit gave the same kind of buff treatment to the Avatar. seems odd the literal fragment of a god is fairly weak compared to a primarch

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober

Ork players are right. Orktober was a travesty.

I would add that if GW decides to drop the resin without producing substitutes, Tankbustas and Kommandos risk to go from the new iteration of the codex. Or the formers could work in a completely different manner because of some weird choice of the sculptors.
As someone that absolutely adores the old Ork Boyz kit, I don't really feel its age, I prefer it to more recent kits, and I think that the Stormboyz/Lootas-Burnas/Boyz ork aesthetics it's the best one, in addition to the fact that you can mix and match these kits.
I find way more annoying the lack of HQ options, because those options equal to specific strategies and use of the supported units. Especially in light of the 7123571235th new Primaris Lieutenant printed and advertised. Not by chance this became a meme.

What I said above about resin is valid for the Eldar too. Aspect Warriors are the most interesting part of the army in my opinion, and we are witnessing the whole marine line being revamped while those are still in their older editions incarnation, sometimes up to 2nd! What about redoing those, and/or adding more types?

There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.

Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?

Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.

not exactly. it was part of assault on black reach. so the Sprue it was designed on includes other models. it is nto as easy as just make this part of a sprue into a single model.

That said they should still do it. they have the model, make a bit for big shoota vs rokkit. or given the kit age just make another whole new deff kopta so we can have non matching deff koptas as I think ork models should all look a bit different.

 Jidmah wrote:

Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?

You get 1 copter for 30 euros though. That's just not worth it.
You'd think after, what, 5 years GW would have released a kit of 3 by now? But no, apparently Orks don't deserve their entire range, and when they finally got a new codex, half of it wasn't in it and still stuck in the index.
Orktober should have been about all of the Ork characters, resin kits and copters getting plastic releases, but nope, just some buggies. Which are good models, mind you, but compared to what Space Marine releases are like is still fairly underwhelming.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober

Ork players are right. Orktober was a travesty.

I would add that if GW decides to drop the resin without producing substitutes, Tankbustas and Kommandos risk to go from the new iteration of the codex. Or the formers could work in a completely different manner because of some weird choice of the sculptors.
As someone that absolutely adores the old Ork Boyz kit, I don't really feel its age, I prefer it to more recent kits, and I think that the Stormboyz/Lootas-Burnas/Boyz ork aesthetics it's the best one, in addition to the fact that you can mix and match these kits.
I find way more annoying the lack of HQ options, because those options equal to specific strategies and use of the supported units. Especially in light of the 7123571235th new Primaris Lieutenant printed and advertised. Not by chance this became a meme.

Orktober was disappointing in some ways and certainly have been handled better, but it was far from a travesty IMO.

I agree about the old Ork Boyz kit. It is old but I think it looks great.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?

You get 1 copter for 30 euros though. That's just not worth it.
You'd think after, what, 5 years GW would have released a kit of 3 by now? But no, apparently Orks don't deserve their entire range, and when they finally got a new codex, half of it wasn't in it and still stuck in the index.
Orktober should have been about all of the Ork characters, resin kits and copters getting plastic releases, but nope, just some buggies. Which are good models, mind you, but compared to what Space Marine releases are like is still fairly underwhelming.

With the way pricing has been going if they released a separate plastic Deffkopta it might be even more than 30 Euros and not come with the other models the Revell box has.

I mean I think a plastic Deffkopta would be good, but I'm guessing price will probably be a real downside.

Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.

I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.

Ah, nice to see some other people who still rate the Boyz kit. Good stuff.


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If I never had to hear or read anyone saying "Primeork" again, I'd be delighted.

 Nazrak wrote:
Ah, nice to see some other people who still rate the Boyz kit. Good stuff.


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If I never had to hear or read anyone saying "Primeork" again, I'd be delighted.

boyz kit is awesome

and yea primeork is not the best term for it, but may a "beast" ork warboss .. problem is other dakkanaughts might not know what we are talking about.

 DrGiggles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.

I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.

I did actually make 5 tankbustas to go with the proper kit of metal tankbustas. I gave them armor plating, helmets, tankbusta bombs and rokkit launchers. I even gave one a tankhammer, which was just a rokkit glued onto a stick with 2 stikk bombs on either side.

I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

I can sympathize, though I disagree, with wanting a different posture/aesthetic for boys. But in all other ways it's one of the best kits GW puts out. Lots of options, (and the modularity to use them), interchangeability with other ork kits/loadouts, and raw models-to-money ratio. There are a number of other kits where the kitbashing/spare parts value is huge--the trukk, Wazbom jet, etc.

Given GW's recent releases I don't see is ever getting deals this good with a new product. Fewer options and minimal interchangeability may be a necessary trade-off for detailed new sculpts and dynamic poses, and it's a trade-off I don't want with orks.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.

I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.

I did actually make 5 tankbustas to go with the proper kit of metal tankbustas. I gave them armor plating, helmets, tankbusta bombs and rokkit launchers. I even gave one a tankhammer, which was just a rokkit glued onto a stick with 2 stikk bombs on either side.

I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

Greenstuff bandanas/cloaks on to some boyz and then give them all some grenades or bombs. It's on my list to try after my tankbusta project.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

Use heads with caps, (gas-)masks or bandanas (burnas, warbikers, vehicle crews are a good source of these) and giver them the backpacks from boyz, spannas and nobz. Paint their shoulderpads in camo, done. Looks better than anything GW or FW has ever released.

Or raid kromlech.

 Jidmah wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

Use heads with caps, (gas-)masks or bandanas (burnas, warbikers, vehicle crews are a good source of these) and giver them the backpacks from boyz, spannas and nobz. Paint their shoulderpads in camo, done. Looks better than anything GW or FW has ever released.

Or raid kromlech.

Hmm I might have to get another set of lootas and bikers then.
I do believe I have that tank commander head from the Battlewagon kit though, so that covers the nob at least.

If you have the naut kit, there are one or two very similar heads to the one from the BW in there as well, and flyboys from the planes also work well.

Yeah, I use Burna heads for mine (got to do something with that half of the kit) and they look fine. Throw on a few more knives, stikk bombs, and other assorted bits and you're golden. As a bonus, a free burna isn't the worst upgrade for kommandos, either, so you can actually get use out of a couple of the weapons.

The leftover backpacks make good engine gubbins, too, and the rest of the burnas can be pretty easily converted into skorchas or rokkit launchers for use on vehicles/boyz/tankbustas. Waste not, want not, after all.

I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.

I sooo much agree with you.

It becomes stupidly hard for the rules team to cope with some of the new models (buggies looking at you...).

On top, it is the actual reason why we lost so many HQ options. No bikerboss, no F%$€ing NORMAL big mek, etc.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.

I sooo much agree with you.

It becomes stupidly hard for the rules team to cope with some of the new models (buggies looking at you...).

On top, it is the actual reason why we lost so many HQ options. No bikerboss, no F%$€ing NORMAL big mek, etc.

Ironically this lead to alot more, DE lost how many HQ options? CSM aswell.
It's honestly a shame.

The regular big mek is by far the most mind boggling - considering it's an actual citadel model still sold during 7th...

Edit: To be more precise... three actual citadel models: Big Mek with KFF, Big Mek with KMB and Big Mek with SAG were all a thing.

 Jidmah wrote:
The regular big mek is by far the most mind boggling - considering it's an actual citadel model still sold during 7th...

Edit: To be more precise... three actual citadel models: Big Mek with KFF, Big Mek with KMB and Big Mek with SAG were all a thing.

I mean it isn't like you get sold a mek aswell in any loota box.
..
Like common,

Mekboys (now called spanners, for some reason) aren't big meks though. Big Meks are a lot, well, bigger.