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If you do a search on Micro Arts studios, they sell the trays and may have the dimensions there. I cannot answer the question today until much later as I have no way to measure them.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Out of curiosity, what are the current tray sizes? I am sorely tempted to take a break from packing this weekend, and try a test game before I go all in on actual product.

I've measured them and there are two types:

6,6 cm X 6,6 cm. These fit infantry (4 miniatures per tray) or cavalry, brutes, characters (1 model per tray). That's about 2,59 inches per side.

11,1 cm X 11,1 cm. These fit monsters (1 miniature per tray). That's about 4,37 inches per side.

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EDIT: Check the retailer video and wow, just wooow!! Dungeon crawler? Sieges? Greco-Roman steampunk? Byzantine angelic undead? Not-Orcs on DINOSAURS??? Are you kidding me? I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT NOW

I'm already tipping over into the intense-want mode, but I just found out my store won't be able to honor credit I have if I want to put it toward non-GW product... I guess it means i'll be saving cash for a few months since I need to buy models for both the wife and I.

Ah are you in a GW ride-or-die area? If your area has no vanguard, petition to be one. You get a coupon for $100 off their store every month if you are a vanguard.

 auticus wrote:
Ah are you in a GW ride-or-die area? If your area has no vanguard, petition to be one. You get a coupon for $100 off their store every month if you are a vanguard.

Worse... I earn credit from one of the slightly bigger online stores, writing content, and they won't even order non-GW product. I'll be happily going out of pocket on this one though, as I really believe in these rules.

Edit: Where can I find sign-ups for their Vanguard program?

Drop Leo a line at:
leandros.mavrokefalos(at)para-bellum(dot)com

He heads up the vanguard program.

Also they have a discord server.

https://discord.gg/F8htKdf

Vanguards have a private chat channel. Helps you keep up to date with whats going on and the PB guys talk to us in all of the channels.

Thanks Auticus. I also just received a green-light to add a weekly non-GW article to my content, meaning I can finally sneak a little attention onto deserving games that aren't just "OMG market penetration!!!1!"

When you get something written make sure you post a link, I'd love to read what you come up with.

Upcoming things for the year we know about:

centaur avatara (spires)
Slayers/Thanes box
Ugr (ogres for nords)
Army Card Packs
Rules Expansion
Collectors Rulebook
Lore Book
Paint Sets
House hold guard / gilded legion for 100k

Still surprised that they aren't doing specialty 'character' bases!

Them, or someone else!

Really personally interested in the Nord take on Ogres as they've been favorite Fantasy armies of mine in WHFB, KoW, etc...

You won't be waiting long. They pre order very soon. And there are pictures out somewhere, there used to be a spoilers channel that they shared in and they posted pics of the ogres before. If I can dig them up I'll post.

You can see them behind the militia on the right.

Here's another picture of them. I like the look of them, although the joints worry me a bit.

 auticus wrote:
You can see them behind the militia on the right.

Are those Avataras behind the Pheromancer and Biomancer? Look sick!



Preordered the vanguard stuff for Spires (the Preceptor will make a great High Clone). Their whole aesthetic and fluff really appeals to me, more than the other three.

I'm also going to start writing Conquest articles on a very popular wargaming blog here. Maybe it will shed some light on the game in this corner of the world, where unfortunately anything not fully translated is bound to die. Here goes!

Oh man that sounds great. Post links to your work id love to read it.

Woah... what are those Tomb King looking fellows in the pic, Auticus?? I came for the Ogres... I'm freaking IN for not-Tomb-Kings!!!

Those I believe are the avatara for spires.

They're magnificent and single-handedly have my rethinking my faction plans.

 auticus wrote:
Oh man that sounds great. Post links to your work id love to read it.

Well, it's in spanish, so I don't know if you'd understand it With a translator it could give you a good idea: https://www.cargad.com/index.php/2020/02/08/para-bellum-introduccion-a-conquest-el-ultimo-conflicto-de-los-reyes/
Basic intro article with info about the game, fluff and minis. Seems to have sparked some interest, particularly regarding the rules. As expected, complaints about the scale and price (remember kids: if it ain't GW, it ain't allowed to be expensive!). I have many more articles lined-up.


By the way, do you have any clue when are the Vanguard Spires being released? I preordered, but there seems to be no date indications when are they being shipped. In any case, I really really want those Avataras!!

Thats funny to me people would complain about price. Especially considering that the starter box is probably the best deal in the history of wargaming for what you get and what little you pay for it.

The boxes are $35 or so on average for 12 models. Thats for the most part much cheaper than GW in a lot of cases, and a bit over what mantic charges (so right in the middle) for a bigger scale.

Edit: nevermind. Its not funny to me people would complain about price. There is a huge huge cry for games that are low model count and cost less than $100 to play so yeah. Because this is a larger mass battle scale game, if its going over $100-$200 to play it, a lot of people are going to complain. But again - I'd say maybe mass battle games are not really something those people would enjoy anyway because I find that price range that I have heard ($100-$200) to be unreasonable for a mass battle game if the company wants to stick around for any length of time able to pay the bills.

The scale - yeah I talked about that in my video. They either want to use their old miniatures and feel they can't because of the scale, or they want the scale to be 10-15mm. Neither of those things we can do anything about, don't know how to really go beyond that about the scale issue.

The spire and militia should release anytime now. The Avataras I would expect will be in next round of spire expansion

Thanks for the link to your article, I'll run it through a translator


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Having read your article, I agree with your thoughts as well I noticed one of the comments mentioned Confrontation and yeah that was also a great game, and I can see the parallels to that game and this as well.

You can also see shades of warhammer and warmaster in Conquest, which Alessio also had a hand in writing.

Yeah, I do think Conquest isn't on the cheaper side of wargaming (it is a mass battle r&f game, after all) yet is still very reasonable for what it offers. But since everything must pass through the GW-filter... so it goes. The numbers are there, I just assume people regurgitate the same arguments that don't compute ad nauseam (it's the internet, who cares!!). Or like to compare apple and oranges.

Otherwise, I think Alessio being the rules author could potentially bring a lot of attention (at least having people test the game). Rank&file is still popular here, most notably WHFB (6th and probably 8th) or KoW. Ruleswise, I actually see Conquest being some sort of "alternate activation version" of KoW with a few very relevant key changes here and there. The gameplay feeling has similar vibes, which I like.

I am a big devotee of KoW, and having worked on it a bit, I have my biases. That said, Conquest is something I am finding much more compelling. It truly has the things I enjoy most about Oldhammer, KoW, and A Song of Ice and Fire... but I can finally have those things in one system instead of piecemeal.

As Auticus says, I can speak to the importance of value, and if you happen to want to build 100k and Spire, splitting a couple starters with a friend really is an insane value (though the exclusion of command is irksome).

As someone literally making first purchases for my wife and I, I don't remotely feel like this is an expensive game. Maybe GW trained me too well. ;-)

I like Kings of War. In fact if Conquest didn't exist, I'd be 100% in camp Kings of War right now.

However having to pick between the two, Kings of War has some gamey elements that I'm not super enthused about (like the "corkscrew" tactic just one as an example). They aren't enough to make me not ever play the game (in fact I own the rulebooks, and I contribute to their kickstarter every time) but its enough for me to want Conquest more.

I can play Kings of War much cheaper obviously. I have literally two rooms full of WHFB models in cases and display racks. I love my chaos armies and varangur was my KOW main, now the northern alliance.

But alternate activation I love more. IGOUGO ... I'd like to see that removed almost entirely to be honest. Standing there for a whole turn taking it, its just not how a real battle goes down. And for me I'm after that experience of feeling like I'm commanding a battle.

My 2 cents.

Also the Hail Caesar fantasy rule set houserule thing is pretty awesome. Another mass battle system I love (but no one will play lol)

Couldn't wait any longer. After playing a few test games with proxies, and really digging deeply into the rules, I am just in awe. The amount of stuff this game does right, out of the gates, boggles my mind.

Dropped enough to have two 1500pt armies incoming, but I can just tell this is one of those games I will be collecting for years to come.

Told ya.

Which armies?

100 Kingdoms and Spires. I suspect we will end up with all four before the Orcs and Undead come out, but I just really like the aesthetic of these factions.

Spire being suuuuuch a novel take on Elves, vs traditional humans feels like a cool match-up.

I almost went Nord for their Ugrs, but Spire Avataras were just too gorgeous.

I can't wait until the Avatara of all kinds get released. The Cav Avatara are amazing, and the big spindly ones have got me jonesing to see the rest of the line. I'm very keen to see what the Desolation Beast looks like...

Also, I know it's meant to be a mass battle game, but have you tried playing with tighter, more restricting terrain Auticus?
Part of me wants to try out a "cityfight" with wide avenues and buildings. But the scale of it might be a bit restrictive.

Just received my Spire Infiltrators+Preceptor. Again, very impressed with the quality. Rocking my 100K t-shirt too

Spires are my absolute favorites, can see myself getting everything. On Halloween my interest might shift towards the Undead (love the Byzantine gloomy angel artwork). Also looking forward to the KS with alternative Conquest related games and everything else.

Yes, I'm quite excited

There's a Conquest Kickstarter in the future?