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 Apple Peel wrote:
robbienw wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
robbienw wrote:
Sgt Smudge, i'm getting massive TLDR and hurting eyes from all the mini quotes in your last post. Just assume i disagree with most of what you said, especially the whataboutery

Lame


A wild Cartman appears.

Your horridly rude response warranted it.


Not really. A post with all the quotes broken up like that is extremely time consuming to properly reply to and in itself is poor etiquette. Now come down off your high horse.
   
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.. I don't have a hard time reading his posts.

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Try replying to it, you will have a hard time then.
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

LOL no it didn't. You still needed a good amount of them and in Melta range too, which doesn't mesh with the heavy weapon they're supposed to carry!


8+2D6 take the highest armor penetration with a +2 on the damage table, delivered by Pods to close range and using Doctrines for re-rolls to hit. Combat squadded out to get two 5-man Tacticals in a Pod, redundancy with two Squads with Meltagun/Combi-melta each, and the Heavy Weapon Combat Squads in the backfield holding objectives.

"Git Gud" seems like the appropriate response here.

"Missile Launcher/Flamer" assumption is the epitome of strawmanning/bad faith. If you want a serious discussion you have to do better. If you don't want a serious discussion, as you were I guess, but don't expect a serious response.

AKA you buy 4 separate 5 man groups or just use Command Squads.

Yeah you didn't help yourself dude. It isn't iconic so get over it

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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"there's a power armored squad of men with bolters and a back up special weapon.. they must be space marines" said no one ever.

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BrianDavion wrote:
"there's a power armored squad of men with bolters and a back up special weapon.. they must be space marines" said no one ever.

Are they Space Marines if it's ten dudes with 9 Bolters and a Melta Gun?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

LOL no it didn't. You still needed a good amount of them and in Melta range too, which doesn't mesh with the heavy weapon they're supposed to carry!


8+2D6 take the highest armor penetration with a +2 on the damage table, delivered by Pods to close range and using Doctrines for re-rolls to hit. Combat squadded out to get two 5-man Tacticals in a Pod, redundancy with two Squads with Meltagun/Combi-melta each, and the Heavy Weapon Combat Squads in the backfield holding objectives.

"Git Gud" seems like the appropriate response here.

"Missile Launcher/Flamer" assumption is the epitome of strawmanning/bad faith. If you want a serious discussion you have to do better. If you don't want a serious discussion, as you were I guess, but don't expect a serious response.

AKA you buy 4 separate 5 man groups. . .

In other words: "The flexibility of the squad loadout allows you to appropriately arm them for the mission."


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BrianDavion wrote:
"there's a power armored squad of men with bolters and a back up special weapon.. they must be space marines" said no one ever.


You're taking this surprisingly hard.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

LOL no it didn't. You still needed a good amount of them and in Melta range too, which doesn't mesh with the heavy weapon they're supposed to carry!


8+2D6 take the highest armor penetration with a +2 on the damage table, delivered by Pods to close range and using Doctrines for re-rolls to hit. Combat squadded out to get two 5-man Tacticals in a Pod, redundancy with two Squads with Meltagun/Combi-melta each, and the Heavy Weapon Combat Squads in the backfield holding objectives.

"Git Gud" seems like the appropriate response here.

"Missile Launcher/Flamer" assumption is the epitome of strawmanning/bad faith. If you want a serious discussion you have to do better. If you don't want a serious discussion, as you were I guess, but don't expect a serious response.

AKA you buy 4 separate 5 man groups. . .

In other words: "The flexibility of the squad loadout allows you to appropriately arm them for the mission."


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BrianDavion wrote:
"there's a power armored squad of men with bolters and a back up special weapon.. they must be space marines" said no one ever.


You're taking this surprisingly hard.

Grenade Launcher is more flexible than a single Flamer in a Tactical Squad. Are they not Space Marines if they don't carry something like that or a Missile Launcher?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:

Some opinions are better than others. For example, some opinions are more informed. When things are said like "The current Tactical Squad is significantly different then the original Tactical Squad", that's ill informed. When people say the styling of basic marines has drifted, that's ill informed.


Basic marines =/= the space marine faction. They represent one unit.

Marine design has drifted over the years, from rtb01 to the old 2nd ed and third ed tac squad, and onwards. Drift is slow, incremental changes. It's not something sudden and sharp. It's little things added one at a time, that over a period of time add up.

Marines have gotten far more stylistic and ornate since third ed, to the point where often the 'marine' element has been lost under a whole mountain of superfluous accessories and bells and whistles. There is a huge drift from the likes of the older designs to the likes of the current vanguard and sternguard for example. Or marneus' honour guard. Look at third ed space wolf grey hunts to the current space wolf pack. You could be less thankind to the sons of Russ and say it's a lot more 'cartoony' than it used to be. Personally, I much preferred their older kits.

I am not saying this is wrong. At all. Some people love this evolution and adore the 'walking reliquary' look. Fair play. Personally, I don't. But I don't think it's fair to say, with regard to the current chat on Primaris. when looking at what marine design has evolved into prior to their introduction, that it hasn't changed over the years.

 Insectum7 wrote:

I assert that the Tactical squad is the core unit of the flagship faction of the flagship product of GW, and that it has been consistent for decades. I also assert that the other core/iconic units are primarily just variations on the Tactical Squad format. Primaris upends this.


Again, tactical squads are not the space marine faction. They are often a first buy, but they only represent one kit out of the entire range.

And if I may - Terminators and scouts are variations on the tactical squad format? Please, can you explain.

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Of course. You've never plopped down a 10 man Terminator squad with one Assault Cannon and one Heavy Flamer? So tactical!!!

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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robbienw wrote:
Try replying to it, you will have a hard time then.

All I hear is apologetics for donkey-caveyness.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
There is literally no reason to pick apart people's posts line by line and respond to everyone. You do that, I don't read your posts, it's that simple.

And why should anybody care?

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 Kaiyanwang wrote:

This one says more about you and how you approach a discussion about proportions on a plastic space man than anything else.


It was hard to think of another term that was allowed for you when all you have basically added to the discussion is “I don’t like them” then been awkward and childish to any reasonable rebuttal. So all that word says about me is that I find your contribution to the discussion to be of no actual use.
   
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Andykp wrote:
 Kaiyanwang wrote:

This one says more about you and how you approach a discussion about proportions on a plastic space man than anything else.


It was hard to think of another term that was allowed for you when all you have basically added to the discussion is “I don’t like them” then been awkward and childish to any reasonable rebuttal. So all that word says about me is that I find your contribution to the discussion to be of no actual use.

Too bad this is not what happened. Anyone that reads the thread can read what has been posted about poses, proportions and use of tech. Which BTW have not been addressed beyond clumsy attempts to dismiss the validity of any criticism. Included your "haters" - hate is a very strong term dear boy, if one is childish for using it in this context it's you.
So it's one of these two:
1) You are trying to gaslight
2) You are unable to read simple passages of text
There are not other options.

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Deadnight wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

Some opinions are better than others. For example, some opinions are more informed. When things are said like "The current Tactical Squad is significantly different then the original Tactical Squad", that's ill informed. When people say the styling of basic marines has drifted, that's ill informed.


Basic marines =/= the space marine faction. They represent one unit.

Marine design has drifted over the years, from rtb01 to the old 2nd ed and third ed tac squad, and onwards. Drift is slow, incremental changes. It's not something sudden and sharp. It's little things added one at a time, that over a period of time add up.

Marines have gotten far more stylistic and ornate since third ed, to the point where often the 'marine' element has been lost under a whole mountain of superfluous accessories and bells and whistles. There is a huge drift from the likes of the older designs to the likes of the current vanguard and sternguard for example. Or marneus' honour guard. Look at third ed space wolf grey hunts to the current space wolf pack. You could be less thankind to the sons of Russ and say it's a lot more 'cartoony' than it used to be. Personally, I much preferred their older kits.

I am not saying this is wrong. At all. Some people love this evolution and adore the 'walking reliquary' look. Fair play. Personally, I don't. But I don't think it's fair to say, with regard to the current chat on Primaris. when looking at what marine design has evolved into prior to their introduction, that it hasn't changed over the years.


If you look at the 2nd edition Tactical Marines alongside the 8th edition Tactical Marines (as shown earlier in this thread, if you like) you will see little difference. The same can be said for Devastators, Assault Marines, Terminators and Scouts-ish. Scouts got updated in 2nd edition to the aesthetic of their current incarnation. The plastics are basically plastic versions of the 2nd Ed. metals. These units together represent the stock organization of the vast majority of Space Marine chapters.

There is a bunch of optional stylization available, depending on your chapter or kits, the point however is that the defaults are unchanged. I'd also point out that stylization isn't new either. There are plenty of examples of very decorated ancient models. Sometimes this was done on the model itself, like the old Chapter Captains prior to 2nd Edition (OG Captain Tycho and Sicarius, for example). But a lot of times this was done in the paint job, checkers and stripes.

Deadnight wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

I assert that the Tactical squad is the core unit of the flagship faction of the flagship product of GW, and that it has been consistent for decades. I also assert that the other core/iconic units are primarily just variations on the Tactical Squad format. Primaris upends this.


Again, tactical squads are not the space marine faction. They are often a first buy, but they only represent one kit out of the entire range.

And if I may - Terminators and scouts are variations on the tactical squad format? Please, can you explain.


Scouts and Terminators follow the basic format of sergeant, troopers, heavy weapon. Scouts have a number of other options, but the core is present/available. The major deviation among the original units would be the assault units. Assault Squads and Terminator Squads. But, these squads both have/had options for engaging a mix of heavy and light targets. Terminators with their Thunder Hammer or Lighting Claws, Assault Squads with Plasma Pistols (admittedly not really cut out for heavy work, atm), Heavy CC weapons or Meltabombs on the Sergeant. (In the past they had more robust options, like the entire unit getting Meltabombs, or the entire unit being able to use Krak Grenades in CC.) I guess now they get an Eviscerator, fwiw.

The point is that the squads can be armed with a mixture of weapons for efficacy vs. different sorts of targets. The exact usefulness of those options waxes and wanes, but the principle is constant.

Also part of the format is the 5-10 model arrangement. Bikes are the only traditional unit that break the format with a minimum of 3, but their maximum is a full 10-man squad, though the Attack Bike counts as two.

This is not just the Space Marine format, but sort of the default Imperial format. Battle Sisters and Guardsmen do the same.


*Please ignore Centurions for this discussion. Or don't, but put a big fat asterisk next to them. I ask for your generosity in this regard. We can talk about them if you want, but they're a bit of a sideshow imo. Or maybe they're like Attack Bikes and Land Speeders, which are really more like alternate ways of fielding the units that Chapter organization is built around.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Grenade Launcher is more flexible than a single Flamer in a Tactical Squad. Are they not Space Marines if they don't carry something like that or a Missile Launcher?

You're not putting in any effort here, so I won't reply with any.

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guardsmen aren't able to take 5 man squads, and custodes often orginize in 3 man squads, as do Centurions and Tyranids Warriors and of course Bikes. units of three seems to be pretty common for infantry on 40mm bases

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Deadnight wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

Some opinions are better than others. For example, some opinions are more informed. When things are said like "The current Tactical Squad is significantly different then the original Tactical Squad", that's ill informed. When people say the styling of basic marines has drifted, that's ill informed.


Basic marines =/= the space marine faction. They represent one unit.

Marine design has drifted over the years, from rtb01 to the old 2nd ed and third ed tac squad, and onwards. Drift is slow, incremental changes. It's not something sudden and sharp. It's little things added one at a time, that over a period of time add up.

Marines have gotten far more stylistic and ornate since third ed, to the point where often the 'marine' element has been lost under a whole mountain of superfluous accessories and bells and whistles. There is a huge drift from the likes of the older designs to the likes of the current vanguard and sternguard for example. Or marneus' honour guard. Look at third ed space wolf grey hunts to the current space wolf pack. You could be less thankind to the sons of Russ and say it's a lot more 'cartoony' than it used to be. Personally, I much preferred their older kits.

I am not saying this is wrong. At all. Some people love this evolution and adore the 'walking reliquary' look. Fair play. Personally, I don't. But I don't think it's fair to say, with regard to the current chat on Primaris. when looking at what marine design has evolved into prior to their introduction, that it hasn't changed over the years.


If you look at the 2nd edition Tactical Marines alongside the 8th edition Tactical Marines (as shown earlier in this thread, if you like) you will see little difference. The same can be said for Devastators, Assault Marines, Terminators and Scouts-ish. Scouts got updated in 2nd edition to the aesthetic of their current incarnation. The plastics are basically plastic versions of the 2nd Ed. metals. These units together represent the stock organization of the vast majority of Space Marine chapters.

There is a bunch of optional stylization available, depending on your chapter or kits, the point however is that the defaults are unchanged. I'd also point out that stylization isn't new either. There are plenty of examples of very decorated ancient models. Sometimes this was done on the model itself, like the old Chapter Captains prior to 2nd Edition (OG Captain Tycho and Sicarius, for example). But a lot of times this was done in the paint job, checkers and stripes.

Deadnight wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

I assert that the Tactical squad is the core unit of the flagship faction of the flagship product of GW, and that it has been consistent for decades. I also assert that the other core/iconic units are primarily just variations on the Tactical Squad format. Primaris upends this.


Again, tactical squads are not the space marine faction. They are often a first buy, but they only represent one kit out of the entire range.

And if I may - Terminators and scouts are variations on the tactical squad format? Please, can you explain.


Scouts and Terminators follow the basic format of sergeant, troopers, heavy weapon. Scouts have a number of other options, but the core is present/available. The major deviation among the original units would be the assault units. Assault Squads and Terminator Squads. But, these squads both have/had options for engaging a mix of heavy and light targets. Terminators with their Thunder Hammer or Lighting Claws, Assault Squads with Plasma Pistols (admittedly not really cut out for heavy work, atm), Heavy CC weapons or Meltabombs on the Sergeant. (In the past they had more robust options, like the entire unit getting Meltabombs, or the entire unit being able to use Krak Grenades in CC.) I guess now they get an Eviscerator, fwiw.

The point is that the squads can be armed with a mixture of weapons for efficacy vs. different sorts of targets. The exact usefulness of those options waxes and wanes, but the principle is constant.

Also part of the format is the 5-10 model arrangement. Bikes are the only traditional unit that break the format with a minimum of 3, but their maximum is a full 10-man squad, though the Attack Bike counts as two.

This is not just the Space Marine format, but sort of the default Imperial format. Battle Sisters and Guardsmen do the same.


*Please ignore Centurions for this discussion. Or don't, but put a big fat asterisk next to them. I ask for your generosity in this regard. We can talk about them if you want, but they're a bit of a sideshow imo. Or maybe they're like Attack Bikes and Land Speeders, which are really more like alternate ways of fielding the units that Chapter organization is built around.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Grenade Launcher is more flexible than a single Flamer in a Tactical Squad. Are they not Space Marines if they don't carry something like that or a Missile Launcher?

You're not putting in any effort here, so I won't reply with any.

1. Scouts don't take the Heavy Weapon option even when being camping Snipers so do they actually fit the format? Big think
2. I made my statement. You just can't refute it.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
guardsmen aren't able to take 5 man squads, and custodes often orginize in 3 man squads, as do Centurions and Tyranids Warriors and of course Bikes. units of three seems to be pretty common for infantry on 40mm bases


Guardsmen start at 10 but still share the number 10 with max sizes of the organizational units. Terminators are on 40mm and are 5 base.

I think Centurions are on 50mm but Centurions and Custodes are relatively recent and arguably part of the breakdown.

@Slayer.
1: Your preference for outfitting them doesn't change the underlying format.
2: Your statement wasn't addressing the point put forth. I've defined what "flexible" means in this context. Address the context provided.

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 Apple Peel wrote:
robbienw wrote:
Try replying to it, you will have a hard time then.

All I hear is apologetics for donkey-caveyness.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
There is literally no reason to pick apart people's posts line by line and respond to everyone. You do that, I don't read your posts, it's that simple.

And why should anybody care?


Lame.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
robbienw wrote:
Try replying to it, you will have a hard time then.

All I hear is apologetics for donkey-caveyness.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
There is literally no reason to pick apart people's posts line by line and respond to everyone. You do that, I don't read your posts, it's that simple.

And why should anybody care?


Lame.

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Andykp wrote:
 Kaiyanwang wrote:

This one says more about you and how you approach a discussion about proportions on a plastic space man than anything else.


It was hard to think of another term that was allowed for you when all you have basically added to the discussion is “I don’t like them” then been awkward and childish to any reasonable rebuttal. So all that word says about me is that I find your contribution to the discussion to be of no actual use.


You can’t rebut people’s views on aethsetics though, because it is subjective. All you are saying is no your opinion is wrong because it’s not the same as my opinion.

Calling people haters is very trite.

   
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 Apple Peel wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
There is literally no reason to pick apart people's posts line by line and respond to everyone. You do that, I don't read your posts, it's that simple.

And why should anybody care?

Because individual points are part of larger arguments and therefore have context. When individual points are picked apart only by dismissing the larger context, the picking apart is in obvious bad faith. If you have to remove context in order to refute a point, your overall argument is probably weak.

There's better ways to do it. Addressing the meat of an argument is only done by acknowledging and understanding the context in which statements are made. Addressing the whole argument shows an understanding of the argument, and shows that the reader is actually 'listening,. Statements addressed only out of context show that the reader is not putting in.the effort.

Continuous willfull dismissal of context to misinterpret statements in order to score points means you have a bad actor.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Because individual points are part of larger arguments and therefore have context. When individual points are picked apart only by dismissing the larger context, the picking apart is in obvious bad faith. If you have to remove context in order to refute a point, your overall argument is probably weak.
But at the same time, making a throwaway comment that cannot stand on it's own in order to pad out a larger argument shows that the larger argument could have been made more concise. Every individual part of an argument is supposed to form the basis of the main point, and therefore should be expected to stand up to scrutiny.

If your argument holds water, it shouldn't matter if it gets dissected.

There's better ways to do it. Addressing the meat of an argument is only done by acknowledging and understanding the context in which statements are made. Addressing the whole argument shows an understanding of the argument, and shows that the reader is actually 'listening,. Statements addressed only out of context show that the reader is not putting in.the effort.
Less effort than literally saying "I can't be bothered to read your argument, so I'm going to assume it's worthless?"

Honestly, even if someone genuinely couldn't be bothered to respond, saying nothing at all is better than making some kind of "hah your points were stupid" jab. It's just immature. Don't want to argue? Cool. Just back off and don't say anything. There's simply no need for petty "lol I'm going to assume you said nothing worthwhile" comments, I'm sure you'll agree.

Continuous willfull dismissal of context to misinterpret statements in order to score points means you have a bad actor.
And inability to dismantle an argument in it's constituent parts shows inability to deconstruct the argument itself and get to it's real meat, as you put it.

Suggesting that someone's argument is worthless because they deconstruct your points shows an extreme contempt for actually discussing civilly, or just laziness.


Still, this is all off topic in a discussion about the aesthetic of what makes a Space Marine and why apparently Primaris do not fit this aesthetic.

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I see 40k memes are reaching boomer meme status.

Hey Karen I know you hate Primaris too I thought you'd get a LOL (laugh out loud) out of this! How are the kids?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I see 40k memes are reaching boomer meme status.

Hey Karen I know you hate Primaris too I thought you'd get a LOL (laugh out loud) out of this! How are the kids?
Not accurate enough, needs to have no punctuation or capital letters, and Karen's surname is missing.


They/them

 
   
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I see 40k memes are reaching boomer meme status.

Hey Karen I know you hate Primaris too I thought you'd get a LOL (laugh out loud) out of this! How are the kids?
Not accurate enough, needs to have no punctuation or capital letters, and Karen's surname is missing.
I thought about no punctuation but I thought someone here might report it as spam hahaha

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Wicked Warp Spider





"better act smug because I am running out of rebuttals", amrite guys?

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 Kaiyanwang wrote:
"better act smug because I am running out of rebuttals", amrite guys?

Oh! So that's why you acted smug from the get go!

   
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 Kaiyanwang wrote:
"better act smug because I am running out of rebuttals", amrite guys?

I'm only smug because the "not real marines" argument was bad from the get-go based on us poking the argument even just surface wise.

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CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
 
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