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not sure assasins are needed with the new sniper marines.

bort wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

bort wrote:
What is considered Unaligned to not interfere with the doctrine bonus? Assassins? Anything else?

Not Assassins. Fortifications.

But you can add an Assassin via the strat.

Oh right, fortifications.

So an Execution Force would break doctrines, but using the 2cp strat to take 1 would not?

Correct, since it's not part of your army list.

I'm pretty sure, at least-obviously I don't have the Dex yet.

bort wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

bort wrote:
What is considered Unaligned to not interfere with the doctrine bonus? Assassins? Anything else?

Not Assassins. Fortifications.

But you can add an Assassin via the strat.

Oh right, fortifications.

So an Execution Force would break doctrines, but using the 2cp strat to take 1 would not?

Correct. There is also some other unaligned BSF models that no one uses.



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BrianDavion wrote:
not sure assasins are needed with the new sniper marines.

If you don't take Tigurius then it might benefit to be able to keep a Callidus around.

Rhinos are now 69 points with a pair of stormbolters.

Space Marine party buses.

There was a sneaky little change to the Infiltrators. Now they can replace an Infiltrator with the Helix Adept or Comms Array rather than have to include them as a 6th member of the squad. So if you want to run smaller squads (I do), you can.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
There was a sneaky little change to the Infiltrators. Now they can replace an Infiltrator with the Helix Adept or Comms Array rather than have to include them as a 6th member of the squad. So if you want to run smaller squads (I do), you can.

Yeah that's an interesting point.

I can't really see it clear enough, but it looks like the comms array is 10 points thus making him the same cost as a Helix Adept.

The document has been updated with Danny and Dave's look through on Mob Rule! I definitely recommend checking that one out. I also added the relics, just for Slayer-fan :V

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
The document has been updated with Danny and Dave's look through on Mob Rule! I definitely recommend checking that one out. I also added the relics, just for Slayer-fan :V

The GMG guys did a video review and read the <CHAPTER> section. I banged my head on my desk. They updated the previous (Cannot choose DA/BA/DW/ETC) stuff in a book they've said is to be used for all those non-codex chapters. I'd like to assume GW had a blurb before or immediately after this with an exception for the non-codex chapters to use the book and select DA/BA/ETC for their <CHAPTER> but I'm not counting on it.

No new fluff info?

CapRichard wrote:
No new fluff info?

I haven't seen a review yet that didn't flip through that faster than a parent sick of reading Cat In The Hat to their toddler. You'll have to wait until you get one in your hands to check the fluff. I expect there to be fluff new to Codex SM, but I also wouldn't be surprised if most of the new to Codex fluff was in the Vigilus/Phobos books. I expect the real avalanche of Fluff to come in the Codex Supplements for the non-UM-But-Still-Codex chapters. I expect to see a lot of fluff for Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and so on now that they get their own book.

CapRichard wrote:
No new fluff info?

looking at the reviews sounds like there is definatly some new fluff, (likely how primaris fit into the orginization will be expanded on) looking forward to that.

If litanies are at the start of battle round then you cannot drop a chaplain and use the +2 charge from him, right?

Correct. That made me sad.

Spoletta wrote:
If litanies are at the start of battle round then you cannot drop a chaplain and use the +2 charge from him, right?

Probably not, but we'll have to wait and see.

I'm thinking about Scout Snipers with Camo Cloaks from the Ravenguard as well.. -1 to hit 2+ save character targeting gits... ick.

Any news on inceptor points are they stayng the same as i found them opvercosted whilst great models?

 Alex_T wrote:
Any news on inceptor points are they stayng the same as i found them opvercosted whilst great models?

They got a durability boost from what may have been an across the board - or nearly so I'm wondering if Calgar got it, or if they skipped him accidentally or on purpose - Gravis Armor statline boost. Price wise, the Inceptors probably were pretty close to correct. Squad Size is an issue, it's far too easy to get tempted into suicide squad'ing them as a deep striking throw away.

Breton wrote:

 Alex_T wrote:
Any news on inceptor points are they stayng the same as i found them opvercosted whilst great models?

They got a durability boost from what may have been an across the board - or nearly so I'm wondering if Calgar got it, or if they skipped him accidentally or on purpose - Gravis Armor statline boost. Price wise, the Inceptors probably were pretty close to correct. Squad Size is an issue, it's far too easy to get tempted into suicide squad'ing them as a deep striking throw away.

Thik maybe for the bolt options, but the plasma ones were close to 58 points I think and if you overcharge and roll a 1 they die

Somewhere close to 45-50pts id think would be fair

 Alex_T wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Alex_T wrote:
Any news on inceptor points are they stayng the same as i found them opvercosted whilst great models?

They got a durability boost from what may have been an across the board - or nearly so I'm wondering if Calgar got it, or if they skipped him accidentally or on purpose - Gravis Armor statline boost. Price wise, the Inceptors probably were pretty close to correct. Squad Size is an issue, it's far too easy to get tempted into suicide squad'ing them as a deep striking throw away.

Thik maybe for the bolt options, but the plasma ones were close to 58 points I think and if you overcharge and roll a 1 they die

Somewhere close to 45-50pts id think would be fair

So don't overcharge. Or give them support to reroll those 1's. Drop a 1.0 Captain and Lieutenant in 1.0 Jump Packs with them and you've got reroll auras, and a couple smash characters to finish off anything they miss with shooting and impact hits.

That's not a lot of successor traits and it's mainly assault :/

Breton wrote:

 Alex_T wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Alex_T wrote:
Any news on inceptor points are they stayng the same as i found them opvercosted whilst great models?

They got a durability boost from what may have been an across the board - or nearly so I'm wondering if Calgar got it, or if they skipped him accidentally or on purpose - Gravis Armor statline boost. Price wise, the Inceptors probably were pretty close to correct. Squad Size is an issue, it's far too easy to get tempted into suicide squad'ing them as a deep striking throw away.

Thik maybe for the bolt options, but the plasma ones were close to 58 points I think and if you overcharge and roll a 1 they die

Somewhere close to 45-50pts id think would be fair

So don't overcharge. Or give them support to reroll those 1's. Drop a 1.0 Captain and Lieutenant in 1.0 Jump Packs with them and you've got reroll auras, and a couple smash characters to finish off anything they miss with shooting and impact hits.

I have done this, but not overcharging defeats the point and also you can get units such as Ravenwing knights for 20 pts cheaper

Plasma inceptors are a staple of DA lists.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.

If they get D6 all the time I'm getting 3 immediately.

I think it was WinterSEO that said it, but he might've misspoken.

They appear to. Demolisher Cannon is listed as a straight up Heavy D6 with no special shenanigans.

Hey guys, wouldn’t happen to know how much the new War Suit is in points with all the gear and either the autocannon or flamer? And if the reiver Lt is more or less points than the current Phobos Lt?

Breton wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
The document has been updated with Danny and Dave's look through on Mob Rule! I definitely recommend checking that one out. I also added the relics, just for Slayer-fan :V

The GMG guys did a video review and read the <CHAPTER> section. I banged my head on my desk. They updated the previous (Cannot choose DA/BA/DW/ETC) stuff in a book they've said is to be used for all those non-codex chapters. I'd like to assume GW had a blurb before or immediately after this with an exception for the non-codex chapters to use the book and select DA/BA/ETC for their <CHAPTER> but I'm not counting on it.

GW has already stated there will be an FAQ at the time of Codex release to allow you to use all those Space Marines goodies and add Shock Assault for the non-Codex Astartes.

Sterling191 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.

If they get D6 all the time I'm getting 3 immediately.

I think it was WinterSEO that said it, but he might've misspoken.

They appear to. Demolisher Cannon is listed as a straight up Heavy D6 with no special shenanigans.

That's incredible. Hopefully it carries over to chaos quickly.

Sterling191 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.

If they get D6 all the time I'm getting 3 immediately.

I think it was WinterSEO that said it, but he might've misspoken.

They appear to. Demolisher Cannon is listed as a straight up Heavy D6 with no special shenanigans.

That is amazing news. It is about time they fixed the Vindicator.

I did hear WinterSEO say the Vindicator was d6 shots, but he said it so despairingly I thought the Vindivator was already d6! I will be adding that to the sheet

^Yeah that's really cool. I expect Chaos will get FAQ'd for it day 1 too. It's a great model and it's a shame I haven't seen any on the table in a while.

So good news for CF/IF aggressors i guess... unmodified 6's cause 2 hits with "bolt weapons", their melee profile meets that criteria.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
I did hear WinterSEO say the Vindicator was d6 shots, but he said it so despairingly I thought the Vindivator was already d6! I will be adding that to the sheet

It is, but only against 5 or more models. Now it pumps out 3.5 lascannon+ shots for 125 and T8.

If you can get linebreaker off it's a steal.