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BrianDavion wrote:
codex lost and the damned is something 40k really could use.

Well it exists, just the gw main ruleteam feth up deliberately on it cus it is fw, ergo Office politics.

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
codex lost and the damned is something 40k really could use.

Well it exists, just the gw main ruleteam feth up deliberately on it cus it is fw, ergo Office politics.

not the same thing.

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
codex lost and the damned is something 40k really could use.

Well it exists, just the gw main ruleteam feth up deliberately on it cus it is fw, ergo Office politics.

not the same thing.

It is though.
Or have you forgotten what IA13 was?

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
codex lost and the damned is something 40k really could use.

Well it exists, just the gw main ruleteam feth up deliberately on it cus it is fw, ergo Office politics.

not the same thing.

It is though.
Or have you forgotten what IA13 was?

I don't consider a forge world list and pure forge world resin to be ion par with a codex and plastic support. please understand I'm not saying I'd refuse to play agaisnt "one of those FW lists" just that a codex and plastic line leads to greater supprot and accessability

BrianDavion wrote:


I don't consider a forge world list and pure forge world resin to be ion par with a codex and plastic support. please understand I'm not saying I'd refuse to play agaisnt "one of those FW lists" just that a codex and plastic line leads to greater supprot and accessability

"I am not an elitist, i just deem it good that the GW main rule team deliberatly messes up FW lists. I also find it great that the replacement for R&H / lost and the damned is an unimaginative Traitor guard clone that lacks any depth of the former IA books."

Enough said.

gee talk about putting words in peoples mouths

The xenos army that needs an update the most is Nids and Crons. Would be great if they started there but I doubt it. Logistically it would make the most sense if they updated all codex based on the previous release schedule.

Not Online!!! wrote:

ThatMG wrote:
Talking about chaos I think the Troops options for CSM should be

Legion Marines

Renegade Marines

Chaos Cuultists

And key into those rules. Basically Legion marines are the Chosen datasheet. They could also use some quality buffs.

SM + Primaris = the hot stuff right now

CSM + Chaos = the hot stuff should be.

I personally do hate the design behind the whole warbands of chaos design the infamous writer did.

Chaos should be more closer to what the Horus Hersey books where like on a power level kind of thing with "flavour" added for the corruption of chaos.

Marines SHOULD be scared of Chaos Armies. Rather than view them as a minor speed bumb or "spikey/edgy marines"

Scratch the cultists.
They should be in a lost and damned /R&H dex.
Instead go for specific auxilia for certain legions.
(cannonfodder for IW, Infiltrators for AL, Crusaders for WB.etc)

In my ideal world, Cultists would have an ability to block Astartes units like they were Characters for targeting purposes, and it stops the moment they get to a certain number of models in the unit, like 5 or so. THAT would be interesting at least.

Does anyone have a list of all of the point changes?

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all of the point changes?

Link in the link
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2019/08/04/codex-space-marines-2019-leak-compilation/

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 Galef wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all of the point changes?

Link in the link
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2019/08/04/codex-space-marines-2019-leak-compilation/

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Thank you!

 Galef wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all of the point changes?

Link in the link
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2019/08/04/codex-space-marines-2019-leak-compilation/

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Did venerables really get 10 points cheaper along with cheaper CC weapon? Wow...might just take the CC weapon over a rocket now if that is the case.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all of the point changes?

Link in the link
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2019/08/04/codex-space-marines-2019-leak-compilation/

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Did venerables really get 10 points cheaper along with cheaper CC weapon? Wow...might just take the CC weapon over a rocket now if that is the case.

The spreadsheet shows no change to Venerables, but the close combat weapons did drop ten points each.

I should add that I haven't "fact checked" that list myself, but the Ven Dread did not go down in the Codex, but the melee weapon did.

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Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

It makes White Scars and Black Templars Dreads that much better

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

It makes White Scars and Black Templars Dreads that much better

Really regretting gluing on my rockets on :(. I was afraid of losing them because they kept falling off.

 Xenomancers wrote:
The xenos army that needs an update the most is Nids and Crons. Would be great if they started there but I doubt it. Logistically it would make the most sense if they updated all codex based on the previous release schedule.

Would love it if Nids got an update, might convince me to start a small collection. I like their premise but I just can't get myself to really like their models, they just seem... subpar compared to wat GW puts out these days. Now I know most Nid sculpts are probably quite old but still. An update would be very welcome.

inceptor's assault bolters falling by two points and Space Marine Sternguard being basically absolutely dirt cheap makes tactical marines far easier to spam for CPs than intercessors.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

It makes White Scars and Black Templars Dreads that much better

If you can get them to stick around until they reach CC. Standard dreads are so squishy I'd still go for twinlas/ ML even on my White Scars successor unless I know my opponent has a CC focused army. I wonder if their outflank stratagem is going to get FAQ'ed to only allow infantry like the Space Wolves' version or if the intent was really to allow you to outflank a dreadnought, in which case a Redemptor or Ironclad might become an interesting option. And my Relic Contemptor with double chainfist and double plasma blastgun that can reroll it's own 1s will probably become a core part of my lists then

The only non-FW "dreadnought" I currently see as truly viable for CC is the Invictor.

Pandabeer wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
The xenos army that needs an update the most is Nids and Crons. Would be great if they started there but I doubt it. Logistically it would make the most sense if they updated all codex based on the previous release schedule.

Would love it if Nids got an update, might convince me to start a small collection. I like their premise but I just can't get myself to really like their models, they just seem... subpar compared to wat GW puts out these days. Now I know most Nid sculpts are probably quite old but still. An update would be very welcome.

Tyranids ?
The rules and the models are in a great shape I think.
Necrons may use some new rules and models (ghost ark oh my God what were they thinking about when they made this ... Thing)

yeah 'nids may be getting a bit old but their range is in good shape and has aged fairly well all considered.

Necrons and Tyranids are mostly plastic already though, aside from some characters I think. Flayed Ones need plastic minis and a refresh of Destroyers could be nice, add a CC version. Bring Pariahs back if you like. Nothing major though in my view. I'm not familiar with Tyranids so I'm not sure there, but they got a lot of plastic in 6th/7th edition and have quite a large roster.

Craftworlds on the other hand have a lot of failcast still. And Dark Eldar overall have few models, at least for their codex structure of being 3 seperate armies, basically. On top of that they also have a lot of failcast left, even though their models are from 5th edition.

Pandabeer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

It makes White Scars and Black Templars Dreads that much better

If you can get them to stick around until they reach CC. Standard dreads are so squishy I'd still go for twinlas/ ML even on my White Scars successor unless I know my opponent has a CC focused army. I wonder if their outflank stratagem is going to get FAQ'ed to only allow infantry like the Space Wolves' version or if the intent was really to allow you to outflank a dreadnought, in which case a Redemptor or Ironclad might become an interesting option. And my Relic Contemptor with double chainfist and double plasma blastgun that can reroll it's own 1s will probably become a core part of my lists then

The only non-FW "dreadnought" I currently see as truly viable for CC is the Invictor.

Trust me I only go Relic Contemptor for melee simple because they don't degrade in movement. Iron Hands would be slower BUT they're opening options at least.

I really want the two 6+++ to stack though.

 godardc wrote:

Pandabeer wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
The xenos army that needs an update the most is Nids and Crons. Would be great if they started there but I doubt it. Logistically it would make the most sense if they updated all codex based on the previous release schedule.

Would love it if Nids got an update, might convince me to start a small collection. I like their premise but I just can't get myself to really like their models, they just seem... subpar compared to wat GW puts out these days. Now I know most Nid sculpts are probably quite old but still. An update would be very welcome.

Tyranids ?
The rules and the models are in a great shape I think.
Necrons may use some new rules and models (ghost ark oh my God what were they thinking about when they made this ... Thing)

They are suffering a lot from rules bloat. Just compare Ironhands trait to Levithan...It's not even close. They have pretty poor relics and warlord traits too. Stratagems are fine but nids could really use some rules updates for units like warriors/raveners and melle beasts.

Crons are in better shape than nids IMO. I'm really not sure why they havn't been more in the competitive scene since their codex dropped. Also another army that lacks a lot of rerolls. I think just making Telsa unmodified 6's would make the army a lot better. Small things like that would help a lot.

They are suffering a lot from rules bloat. Just compare Ironhands trait to Levithan...It's not even close

thats not rules bloat, thats codex creep

Pandabeer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still interesting though. The CC weapon used to be more expensive than a rocket but now with it being about the same price and getting 5 attacks on the charge....I think I am gonna have to go close combat weapon. You also get a storm bolter with that which isn't bad at all on a dread ESP if you are in tactical doctrine (which as Ultras I will be).

It makes White Scars and Black Templars Dreads that much better

If you can get them to stick around until they reach CC. Standard dreads are so squishy I'd still go for twinlas/ ML even on my White Scars successor unless I know my opponent has a CC focused army. I wonder if their outflank stratagem is going to get FAQ'ed to only allow infantry like the Space Wolves' version or if the intent was really to allow you to outflank a dreadnought, in which case a Redemptor or Ironclad might become an interesting option. And my Relic Contemptor with double chainfist and double plasma blastgun that can reroll it's own 1s will probably become a core part of my lists then

The only non-FW "dreadnought" I currently see as truly viable for CC is the Invictor.

The CC weapon got dropped 10 points and you got an additional CC attack. I think the power has shifted to the CC weapon and since I'm playing Ultras I can move them without penalty. Combined with my redemptors its an insane amount of dread CC ability.

BrianDavion wrote:

They are suffering a lot from rules bloat. Just compare Ironhands trait to Levithan...It's not even close

thats not rules bloat, thats codex creep

Probably.
It isn't like it is new for gw.

BrianDavion wrote:

They are suffering a lot from rules bloat. Just compare Ironhands trait to Levithan...It's not even close

thats not rules bloat, thats codex creep

I thought those were the same thing.

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

They are suffering a lot from rules bloat. Just compare Ironhands trait to Levithan...It's not even close

thats not rules bloat, thats codex creep

Probably.
It isn't like it is new for gw.

I do think model wise 'nids are in a solid position though. but I'd be down for seeing all the xenos races get a new kit soonish.

Maybe give 'nids a Shrike kit?