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 Argive wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
They will be sold separately eventually.


When did shadowspear drop ?
The new oblits and greater possessed are still nowhere in sight for those people. Heck even supressors are still not released and those are the poster boys in power armour!!



GW seems to have a very strange release cadence for box premiering models. In AoS Flesh-Eater Courts had their strongest hero premier in Carrion Empire box. The box sold like hotcakes and now more than 6 months later the Arch-Regent is nowhere to be bought on the GW website.
   
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 vipoid wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

The reason scourges are included is that they are a merc choice. With the Ynarri storyline stuff, mercs are interesting because they have no loyalty to their kin. Ynarri gives them a role beyond their mercenary ways, and that sense of purpose could recruit many to the cause.


Indeed. With Ynnari, Scourges can benefit from the many melee buffs. Because that's exactly what ranged units with abysmal melee stats need.

Well at least they can benefit from Stratagems like Fire and Fade, Lightning Fast Reactions and Deadly Misdirection. Oh, wait, all of those are already in the DE codex.

At least there's the Yncarne's aura . . . oh, wait, they already have a 6+++ from PfP.

I guess that leaves psychic powers? Cool, I'll just add in a DE psyker and, oh, there aren't any. Seems like something of a missed opportunity for a release called Psychic Awakening, but I guess that level of creativity isn't permitted for non-Marines.

So in the meantime, I guess we have the joy of including either Yvraine or else allying in Eldar, all for the purposes of applying psychic powers to a mediocre unit that is unlikely to survive even a single enemy turn.


All trough i don`t think Scourges will get any update in this release, complaining before the release and before CA is kind of strange.
   
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The only viable unit in competitive play is the Venom.
Everything else is nice to have. Hands down.

Nevertheless, how much is the fish?

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Marin wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

The reason scourges are included is that they are a merc choice. With the Ynarri storyline stuff, mercs are interesting because they have no loyalty to their kin. Ynarri gives them a role beyond their mercenary ways, and that sense of purpose could recruit many to the cause.


Indeed. With Ynnari, Scourges can benefit from the many melee buffs. Because that's exactly what ranged units with abysmal melee stats need.

Well at least they can benefit from Stratagems like Fire and Fade, Lightning Fast Reactions and Deadly Misdirection. Oh, wait, all of those are already in the DE codex.

At least there's the Yncarne's aura . . . oh, wait, they already have a 6+++ from PfP.

I guess that leaves psychic powers? Cool, I'll just add in a DE psyker and, oh, there aren't any. Seems like something of a missed opportunity for a release called Psychic Awakening, but I guess that level of creativity isn't permitted for non-Marines.

So in the meantime, I guess we have the joy of including either Yvraine or else allying in Eldar, all for the purposes of applying psychic powers to a mediocre unit that is unlikely to survive even a single enemy turn.


All trough i don`t think Scourges will get any update in this release, complaining before the release and before CA is kind of strange.


Except that most of the above are complaints about Ynnari, not Scourge. And GW has already said that all they're doing is copying and pasting the Ynnari rules into the new book.

Also, we already know that there are no new DE HQs and certainly no psychic abilities for DE, so I don't see what's wrong with my pointing that out.

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 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

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GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
kingheff wrote:
I do think people underestimate the falcon, with the built in pulse laser, a bright Lance and crystal targeting matrix it's 137 PTS. A wave serpent with twin bright Lance and crystal targeting matrix costs 167 PTS for worse firepower but greater survivability.
I'm happy to add a third one to my collection and I'm starting to build up drukhari so the box is great for me.
I can understand people who are upset that they can't get the new units separately but they're replacement models, you can use the old ones until the new ones are available.
The new rules will still apply to old sculpts after all.


It's the same thing with a Vyper -- 40 points for 6 T5 wounds. They're all decent units, but they don't outshine haywire / reapers / spears so they don't get used and people think they're bad.

And if Vypers / Falcons are as bad as people think then those optimistic for the changes could see them go crazy cheap on eBay.


Vypers squad size is the reason the unit cant get popular, spell and stratagems are stronger in higher model units and only 3 is to limited for the value provided.


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 wuestenfux wrote:
The only viable unit in competitive play is the Venom.
Everything else is nice to have. Hands down.

Nevertheless, how much is the fish?


No fish has been caught today


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 vipoid wrote:
Marin wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

The reason scourges are included is that they are a merc choice. With the Ynarri storyline stuff, mercs are interesting because they have no loyalty to their kin. Ynarri gives them a role beyond their mercenary ways, and that sense of purpose could recruit many to the cause.


Indeed. With Ynnari, Scourges can benefit from the many melee buffs. Because that's exactly what ranged units with abysmal melee stats need.

Well at least they can benefit from Stratagems like Fire and Fade, Lightning Fast Reactions and Deadly Misdirection. Oh, wait, all of those are already in the DE codex.

At least there's the Yncarne's aura . . . oh, wait, they already have a 6+++ from PfP.

I guess that leaves psychic powers? Cool, I'll just add in a DE psyker and, oh, there aren't any. Seems like something of a missed opportunity for a release called Psychic Awakening, but I guess that level of creativity isn't permitted for non-Marines.

So in the meantime, I guess we have the joy of including either Yvraine or else allying in Eldar, all for the purposes of applying psychic powers to a mediocre unit that is unlikely to survive even a single enemy turn.


All trough i don`t think Scourges will get any update in this release, complaining before the release and before CA is kind of strange.


Except that most of the above are complaints about Ynnari, not Scourge. And GW has already said that all they're doing is copying and pasting the Ynnari rules into the new book.

Also, we already know that there are no new DE HQs and certainly no psychic abilities for DE, so I don't see what's wrong with my pointing that out.


We talked to much for the Ynnari and it hurts when you see the new SM rules, but that is what you get.

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BrianDavion wrote:

Gulliman when he came out was packaged with 2 other characters. I was lucky, I had a CSM and grey knight army so it was conveniant for me, but a lot of people ended up buying characters they didn't need to get Guliman. furthermore, are we forgeting that until recently you couldn't buy a Primaris Leuitenant outside of a boxed set? And then Space Wolves still have to buy a primaris box for their Leuitenant.

ohh and Marine players STILL can't buy a Primaris ancient without buying dark Imperium.


To be fair, Primaris Lieutenants don't require ANY conversion from a regular Primaris, except maybe mounting on a 40mm base instead of 32mm. Literally just paint lieutenant stripes on him. If you want him to have a power sword, any SM power sword will do.

Space Wolf Lieutenant only being available in SC Primaris Space Wolves isn't a big issue - none of the units in the box are bad and the Lieutenant is basically free along with discounted, useful kit. And again, any Primaris can be turned into a Lieutenant with minimal effort.

Primaris Ancient needs to be a separate model, but as long as Dark Imperium is in print GW won't bother. But old marine players probably have banners floating around for an easy conversion. The old Space Marine Command Squad is cheaper than a single Primaris character model and has bits to convert a Primaris Ancient, Apothecary as well as power sword bits and such.

Gravis Captains are arguably harder to come by/convert, but Know No Fear is worth it for the marines alone.

Basically Space Marine players spend VERY little extra to acquire or convert needed models, and end up with useful models in bundles.

None of this can be done with the new Eldar plastic resculpts.

   
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Well, I'll get the two characters. Maybe the Banshees and the Incubi.
I have everything offered in my fund.

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Man I've got mixed feelings about this kit.
On the one hand, being released in a combo box will mean plenty of after market sellers will get selling off the units cheaply(ish). So I'd except 5 Banshee + Jain Zar or the 5 Incubi + Drazhar to be less than $50 each. 5 models + a Character for less than what we expected for just the 5 models won't be bad.

But OTOH, this does not bode well for the other Aspects. Using Shadowspear and similar boxes, I think it's safe to say GW's release pattern is clearly "big kit to increase huge sales", then maybe piecemeal the individual kits months/years later.
As mentioned above, several units released in Shadowspears STILL do not have separate kits and don't seem to fit in with what we know is coming in the next few months (though that could change as the story unfolds)

If GW holds to this style, I think it is safe to assume the other Aspects are still years away

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Gw is very random with when models go on individual sale from duel box releases. Some models appear really fast, other times they appear with significant lag time. How many new models and such doesn't even seem to factor into it.

Eg Warcry got its starter set stuff on sale really fast, whilst Skaven and Flesh Eaters still don't have the individual models from a duel set released way back around the start of the year.

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And GW is still selling individual finecast Ur-Ghuls at a very steep price, even though they have created a plastic Ur-Ghul model for Blackstone Fortress...

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@Tyel- Good point about the lack of troops. You're right that's a barrier for a new player- didn't really see it because of my campaign blinders.

@jacob29- I get it; I'm not trying to invalidate your point of view, but yes, you should be thankful, because as anyone who's been playing since second ed will tell you that in previous editions, some armies went the ENTIRE edition without an update. What you should be thankful for is that this edition isn't like that. I'm not saying it's as good as it can be (it isn't); I'm not saying that we don't have a long way to go (we do). What I'm saying is that the release schedule for this edition has given something to everyone, which is better than we've ever had. In 27 months, 24 factions got dexes, numerous box sets, Apocalypse and Kill team to take the game into other scales, both EPIC and Aeronautica to take the scale of models to different places, and now a second wave of updates for every single faction?

If you think this is slow, the nineties would have killed you and the aughts weren't much better. Sorry my perspective makes me sound like a grumpy old man, but this company is sweating blood for us right now. On top of what they've done for 40k in 27 months, they've worked just as hard for AoS.


@vipoid- You make several good points about the playability of scourges in Ynarri army; your points are valid, and perhaps they will be addressed in the new material. However, in my post, I wasn't talking about rules. I meant that story wise, Mercs are important for the Ynarri.

I know that most of Dakka a) generally seems to focus more on rules than the story b) may hate the Ynarri storyline specifically. But GW doesn't make games for Dakka.

The comments that you make regarding the inclusion of Scourges in Ynarri units indicate that for you, no matter how appropriate the story connection, you're not going to include them unless their rules work for you. I get that, and it's a valid point of view.

But for me, the opposite is true. No matter how killy-table dominant a model makes my army, I will not include it unless the story works. And scourges work well in a Ynarri story, even if the rules are a mismatch.

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I´m happy that the Eldar are getting some love. Jain Zar was always the Phoenix Lord that I wanted to get, so the Boxed set is going to be an Xmas gift I hope...

But...

Why did they have to go with the 5 eldar aspect banshees for the new plastics, like the dire Dire Avengers, when they could have gone for the full 10 person squad. It looks like that Exarch has to be an exarch, judging by its base, which means making a full ten banshee squad requires the purchase of three boxes of five.

Eldar have always been shafted on the box numbers, compared to squad numbers, but this´ll be taking it too far, if true. At least in resin you only need two boxes to make the full squad.

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Its a multi-part kit. I highly doubt the exarch will be an issue.

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PenitentJake wrote:
@vipoid- You make several good points about the playability of scourges in Ynarri army; your points are valid, and perhaps they will be addressed in the new material. However, in my post, I wasn't talking about rules. I meant that story wise, Mercs are important for the Ynarri.


Ah, okay. I hadn't realised you were speaking entirely from the fluff perspective.


PenitentJake wrote:
The comments that you make regarding the inclusion of Scourges in Ynarri units indicate that for you, no matter how appropriate the story connection, you're not going to include them unless their rules work for you. I get that, and it's a valid point of view.

But for me, the opposite is true. No matter how killy-table dominant a model makes my army, I will not include it unless the story works. And scourges work well in a Ynarri story, even if the rules are a mismatch.


That's perfectly fair.

It's also one of my long-running bugbears with 40k, though - I don't like having to choose between fluff and function.

In this example, you want to use Scourges in a Ynnari army because of the fluff. And that's great. However, given that (as you say) they are meant to work with Ynnari in the fluff, I find it very disappointing that they have almost no synergy with one another.

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I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Can't see for gak if there are actually decent female heads there or not. They look like faces sadly are covered with masks.

I can see that Exarch now can into Triskele though.

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Well I'm disappointed now.

No options on the frames for the units, literally just a translation from metal to plastic.

Apparently only marines get that much attention

   
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The worst news is that five-unit boxes are inevitably far worse priced than even 10 model boxes....so enjoy that. And if the "new" Banshee rules don't fix them as a unit, they're still absolute garbage, but now they're expensive plastic garbage instead of expensive finecast garbage! Rejoice!

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.

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Will you kindly turn your butthurt levels back to "Very High"? We get it, garbage, not buying anything, don't need to repeat it on hourly basis.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
The worst news is that five-unit boxes are inevitably far worse priced than even 10 model boxes....so enjoy that. And if the "new" Banshee rules don't fix them as a unit, they're still absolute garbage, but now they're expensive plastic garbage instead of expensive finecast garbage! Rejoice!

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.


So you've seen all the rules? Care to share?
   
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Well I'm surprised they are locked into a box set release-seems like GW are limiting availability - is this due to their factory issues struggling to keep up with demand?

The kit looks nice, shame there isn't any weapon options for the banshees but the frames do look packed, would be interested to see the alternative heads.
The little shrine/statue is a nice thing- adds to the one on the Dire Avenger set and the Incubi set has one as well. Have to say I really like the incubi and Drazhar looks really good in the video.
Still the set is a bit pricey ..
   
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The Incubi have like 14 heads for 5 dudes. Or maybe those go in some sort of combinations.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
The worst news is that five-unit boxes are inevitably far worse priced than even 10 model boxes....so enjoy that. And if the "new" Banshee rules don't fix them as a unit, they're still absolute garbage, but now they're expensive plastic garbage instead of expensive finecast garbage! Rejoice!

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.


So you've seen all the rules? Care to share?


Why don't you read that response again, with both eyes open. Then respond like an adult.
   
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 Elbows wrote:

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.


$70 is not more than Primaris on my site [Canadian Dollars]- it is, in fact, the exact cost of any ten man Primaris box. Furthermore, the specialist primaris units come in boxes of 3, not 5, and the most expensive of those three-man boxes is $60. Primaris are a lot of things, but cheaper than other minis is not one of them.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
 Elbows wrote:

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.


$70 is not more than Primaris on my site [Canadian Dollars]- it is, in fact, the exact cost of any ten man Primaris box. Furthermore, the specialist primaris units come in boxes of 3, not 5, and the most expensive of those three-man boxes is $60. Primaris are a lot of things, but cheaper than other minis is not one of them.


Check the flag on the side of the post, he's talking USD.

5 Dire Avengers are $45 CAD. I doubt Howling Banshees will be cheaper.

   
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 John Prins wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
 Elbows wrote:

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.


$70 is not more than Primaris on my site [Canadian Dollars]- it is, in fact, the exact cost of any ten man Primaris box. Furthermore, the specialist primaris units come in boxes of 3, not 5, and the most expensive of those three-man boxes is $60. Primaris are a lot of things, but cheaper than other minis is not one of them.


Check the flag on the side of the post, he's talking USD.

5 Dire Avengers are $45 CAD. I doubt Howling Banshees will be cheaper.


Hope not, DA are priced to punish aeldar players. for 5-6 pounds more you get full tactical squad(10 models) for 10 more you get intercessor squad(10 models). We know both of them have more weapons and are bigger models.
DA realistic price is like 15-16 pounds, not over 22 like it`s now.

Update
https://warofsigmarus.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/blogging/picture1/4222/pre_order_price.jpg

If that is truth 180 euros for a box, i`ll have to wait for the separate release. Those boxes will not be sold and will meat the fate of Apocalypse box, the one that was not sold and retailers still have it.

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Marin wrote:


Update
https://warofsigmarus.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/blogging/picture1/4222/pre_order_price.jpg

If that is truth 180 euros for a box, i`ll have to wait for the separate release. Those boxes will not be sold and will meat the fate of Apocalypse box, the one that was not sold and retailers still have it.

Its hard to read.
180 Euro is a bit too much if you ask me.

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I read 140€, am i wrong?
   
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Echeloon wrote:
I read 140€, am i wrong?


The poster sad 140 pounds, i also hope its 75 paunds and 140 euros, that will be manageable with the preorder discount.
   
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It's 140 something! Can't tell if it's pounds or euros though.

 
   
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kingheff wrote:
It's 140 something! Can't tell if it's pounds or euros though.


Either pounds or euros, box is a hard pass from me and I ADORE banshees! Too pricy for something which will probably never see combat on the table or just get curb stomped.
   
 
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