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kingheff wrote:
It's 140 something! Can't tell if it's pounds or euros though.

Well, euro and pound are at the same level these days.
My guess was 130 euro but price increases are something that cannot surprise us.

That is going to be a crazy price in Aud, Or they will work out to give us a bit of a discount ?

I mean, since when did GW need to follow scales of currency ? They'll charge what they wish regardless of relation to the pound. Though the cost increases are worth it, each model comes with a little magic dust mixed in with the plastic. Expensive to catch all those pixies and shake them out over plastic.

That said, I hear its 140 pounds, not sure if that will be the same with euros. I'd guess for the dollar but could be 185$ to around 200$ is more my guess.

Edit: A discount for AUD ? I wish they would but I really doubt it better brace for impact in the land down under.

Has somebody calculated the raw value of the box?
I mean Scourges, Hellions, Venoms, Vypers, Falcons have given prices.
But the prices for Jain Zar, 5 Banshees, Drahzar, 5 Incubi need to be estimated.

It'll shake out being something of a discount. Though its still expensive as heck when all most people really want are the new models.

We talking cost for each in the box ? Considering it's bloated with crap, I'm sure the models people want will be considered cheap when taken into account of all the offerings.

What they'll sell for once they come out singleton ? For the USD, I'd say 45$ or 50$ for box of 5. The characters will be 35$ each.

Going by that, I'd say just the new models will be like 170$, so if you wanted all of them, that puts all the rest at around 30$ give or take depending on US price. Which should end up around the same savings for the other money amounts.

A good deal, if you actually want all of it. If you actually wanted to just get the new plastic kits you're still spending an awful lot on things you'd not want. Still feels like a shame for the people who wanted the new models. I doubt they'll even be all that cheap online as people are going to realize those are the models people want, just a hunch there so softest discount if any will be there and the rest they could charge half off for and still make out well.

For anyone wondering of loose guesstimation of what to expect to pay. I'd bet you'd be looking at around 35 to 40 for the 5 man squads, and around 25 30 for the characters, assuming they don't charge near imagined retail knowing people will pay it.

140 pounds puts it outside of what I want to pay for a box.

I did a quick calculation. Let's say the heroes are 25 pound each(seems standard for heroes these days) and that the new banshee and incubi units are now 30 each(I'd be surprised if GW doesn't raise it from 25 to 30). That brings the new units to be about 110 pounds.

The Scourges and Hellions equal 35 pounds
Vyper is 20 pounds.
Falcon is 32.5 pounds
venom is 20 pounds.

So total of 217.5 pounds. It is decent savings, but it is a savings of units that few people use and/or already have enough of. For me the only thing that entices me is the Venom and the new units and that would cost me 130 pounds; 10 pounds under the current price.

I am going to be very curious about how well this sells. How it sells will probably be an indicator of future box prices and what GW might do.

I'm a bit disappointed with the box, regardless of the price. I want Drazhar and the Incubi for friendly games, and another Venom is never bad. On the other hand, while Scourges are decent, and Hellions can be ok, I just don't really want them.

There is nothing of interest to me on the Asuryani side, and even if I wanted to play with an Aeldari soup army, those aren't the units I'd be interested in.

I guess I'll be hunting ebay.

Well, a basic question is: will we see Jain Zar and Drahzar as blisters and Banshees and Incubi as box sets in the near future?
Or will they only be sold in the whole box say for the next year?

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, a basic question is: will we see Jain Zar and Drahzar as blisters and Banshees and Incubi as box sets in the near future?
Or will they only be sold in the whole box say for the next year?

I feel GW has sorta got the gotcha idea, get it now as it may not be available for 6 months on some things. As well as limited avail blitz to encourage sales now. So you don’t miss out.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Has somebody calculated the raw value of the box?
I mean Scourges, Hellions, Venoms, Vypers, Falcons have given prices.
But the prices for Jain Zar, 5 Banshees, Drahzar, 5 Incubi need to be estimated.

$350 USD, give or take $5-10, this is assuming each new character is $35 and the new 5mans are $45.

I may be wrong but I think this is supposed to be a "get started" with aeldari soup box, probably ynarri since it's close combat focused.
As for banshees, they don't do much damage but they're super fast and ignoring overwatch is awesome. Most armies only have relics for that and we can get it on a 65 PT unit, they're a useful tool beyond their damage potential.

kingheff wrote:
I may be wrong but I think this is supposed to be a "get started" with aeldari soup box, probably ynarri since it's close combat focused.
As for banshees, they don't do much damage but they're super fast and ignoring overwatch is awesome. Most armies only have relics for that and we can get it on a 65 PT unit, they're a useful tool beyond their damage potential.

It’s kinda a bad start no matter which faction you play, and with it’s price. And the Ynarri box itself being prices on top. It’s a flash box, that probably only exists this way to extract as much out of players of all the Eldar as much as possible,

Apple fox wrote:

kingheff wrote:
I may be wrong but I think this is supposed to be a "get started" with aeldari soup box, probably ynarri since it's close combat focused.
As for banshees, they don't do much damage but they're super fast and ignoring overwatch is awesome. Most armies only have relics for that and we can get it on a 65 PT unit, they're a useful tool beyond their damage potential.

It’s kinda a bad start no matter which faction you play, and with it’s price. And the Ynarri box itself being prices on top. It’s a flash box, that probably only exists this way to extract as much out of players of all the Eldar as much as possible,

Indeed, its not a way to start Asuryani or Drukhari.
The only viable option (in competitive play) is the Venom. The rest is situational.

 Eldarsif wrote:
140 pounds puts it outside of what I want to pay for a box.

I did a quick calculation. Let's say the heroes are 25 pound each(seems standard for heroes these days) and that the new banshee and incubi units are now 30 each(I'd be surprised if GW doesn't raise it from 25 to 30). That brings the new units to be about 110 pounds.

The Scourges and Hellions equal 35 pounds
Vyper is 20 pounds.
Falcon is 32.5 pounds
venom is 20 pounds.

So total of 217.5 pounds. It is decent savings, but it is a savings of units that few people use and/or already have enough of. For me the only thing that entices me is the Venom and the new units and that would cost me 130 pounds; 10 pounds under the current price.

I am going to be very curious about how well this sells. How it sells will probably be an indicator of future box prices and what GW might do.

Broken dreams

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2019/10/usca-blood-of-phoenix-prices-for-this.html

The problem is currently from reselers you could get:
Scourges 14 pounds
Venom 15 pounds

and people don`t really want Falcon and Vyper in the first place, i say GW screwed this box like they did with the Apocalypse.

New Banshees and Incubi should not be more than 25 pounds and the some price can be expected for Jain Zar and the Draznar.
It`s look smarted to wait for the separate release or just purchase old models. Yea it will be sad that aeldar new release will fail, but the greed just run over the top.
Even people who want to start new aeldar army will be pushed away.

Sorry, my post wasn't super clear. I meant it's meant to encourage single faction aeldari players to start collecting the other side.
And of course, we can rule out any consideration of competitiveness in the contents, no box sets we've seen before take that into account from what I've seen.

kingheff wrote:
Sorry, my post wasn't super clear. I meant it's meant to encourage single faction aeldari players to start collecting the other side.
And of course, we can rule out any consideration of competitiveness in the contents, no box sets we've seen before take that into account from what I've seen.

Even then it has nothing really as a starter box, just a very poor starter all around. No matter which way you go. It’s also looking expensive. So not a great point to jump in if half the box is useless to a good portion of players starting.
If they are going to use it to push Ynarri then it’s probably rather awkward at that since you need one of the characters I thought, useless that changes.
Considering they are the only thing holding the faction as anything more than sales bait.

I'm surprised there has only been one comment so far about the return of the triskele. I guess we'll see soon enough from the rules whether it will ever be worth taking. I don't think I have ever seen somebody take it previously.

The article states it replaces PS, which is odd, I thought it would make sense for it to replace the pistol.

 Shadenuat wrote:
The article states it replaces PS, which is odd, I thought it would make sense for it to replace the pistol.

The index option was triskele + pistol, but no i did not saw it on the spruce.

 Elbows wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The worst news is that five-unit boxes are inevitably far worse priced than even 10 model boxes....so enjoy that. And if the "new" Banshee rules don't fix them as a unit, they're still absolute garbage, but now they're expensive plastic garbage instead of expensive finecast garbage! Rejoice!

Assuming, for some reason, they're priced as low as five-model kits can be...around $35, that still translates to $70 per ten, or more than huge Primaris marine models (who also have numerous weapon options, etc.). If you're lucky they'll be priced at $40-45 to properly kick your teeth in.

So you've seen all the rules? Care to share?

Why don't you read that response again, with both eyes open. Then respond like an adult.

Oof - you're right. I apologize for reading to hastily.

so 280CAD for the box according to marin's post. Yikes, guess i'll be scouring ebay then, and im part of the people that actually would like all the minis in the box.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
so 280CAD for the box according to marin's post. Yikes, guess i'll be scouring ebay then, and im part of the people that actually would like all the minis in the box.

I'd hold off on that, unless Naftka actually has the emails like War of Sigmar does.

It looks like GW has been tweaking some stuff a bit, as Beastgrave was showing up as $75USD when going through price banding but ended up at a lower price band.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
so 280CAD for the box according to marin's post. Yikes, guess i'll be scouring ebay then, and im part of the people that actually would like all the minis in the box.

I'd hold off on that, unless Naftka actually has the emails like War of Sigmar does.

It looks like GW has been tweaking some stuff a bit, as Beastgrave was showing up as $75USD when going through price banding but ended up at a lower price band.

The price in $ is confirmed in BOS https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/10/next-weeks-40k-new-boxed-set-products-pricing-confirmed.html

They leaked some of the new rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

Well, there you go. I hope grotesques go up in points...good grief...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

Marin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
so 280CAD for the box according to marin's post. Yikes, guess i'll be scouring ebay then, and im part of the people that actually would like all the minis in the box.

I'd hold off on that, unless Naftka actually has the emails like War of Sigmar does.

It looks like GW has been tweaking some stuff a bit, as Beastgrave was showing up as $75USD when going through price banding but ended up at a lower price band.

The price in $ is confirmed in BOS https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/10/next-weeks-40k-new-boxed-set-products-pricing-confirmed.html

Again, do they have the actual email? I'm not clicking a link to that malware ridden site.

Because they were saying $75USD for Beastgrave, meaning they went off a specific price bracket. It was $70--meaning a whole different price bracket.

They leaked some of the new rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

Not really a "leak" when the company themselves does it, eh?

Ninja'ed.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Marin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
so 280CAD for the box according to marin's post. Yikes, guess i'll be scouring ebay then, and im part of the people that actually would like all the minis in the box.

I'd hold off on that, unless Naftka actually has the emails like War of Sigmar does.

It looks like GW has been tweaking some stuff a bit, as Beastgrave was showing up as $75USD when going through price banding but ended up at a lower price band.

The price in $ is confirmed in BOS https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/10/next-weeks-40k-new-boxed-set-products-pricing-confirmed.html

Again, do they have the actual email? I'm not clicking a link to that malware ridden site.

Because they were saying $75USD for Beastgrave, meaning they went off a specific price bracket. It was $70--meaning a whole different price bracket.

They leaked some of the new rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

Not really a "leak" when the company themselves does it, eh?

The some price is on spikerbits, 180 euros for the box is insane.

Marin wrote:


The some price is on spikerbits, 180 euros for the box is insane.

It has a codex in it, so...maybe?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Well, there you go. I hope grotesques go up in points...good grief...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

People are still going to take Prophets of Flesh for Urien Rakarth and the obsession. Doesn't really change things for Grots.

I was really looking forward to these but now i'm not. Overall it doesnt help what it needs to help and keeps the Kabal venom spam top meta.

The Kabal ones just make Venoms and Flyers strong (they already are strong now), Venoms with +3" movement and +1D, Flyers as wych with +1 wound, and no one is taking the coven b.c coven is unplayable with PoF.
Kabal already has +3" movement, that SHOULD have been for the Wyches (it would make Hellions and Reavers more playable), the +1 invul SHOULD be able to take with another trait b.c its a terrible trait alone (or it should just have been +1 to all invuls always if it was stand alone).


Why does Kabal get +3" movement? They already have that, give the +3" to Wych fly units would have been amazing, Reavers/Hellions with +3" base, meaning a drug on Hellions for +5" movement, that is something i would have done, no Kabal, they already have flawed skull. Give us something "Different".
Over all these are bad IMO, it doesnt help the weak units and just makes the strong units stay strong, it doesnt help the units in the correct ways either.


Coven outside of FW doesnt get a Ravager with its Keyword nor the Flyers (and i dont trust FW right now, i'm ignoring the Reaper/Tantalus b.c Legends), if the new obsessions and keywords helps coven with Raider+Grots, like +3" movement and disembarked after moving +charge, then yes i will give up PoF, but they made no attempt to change play styles or help out units so far.

I really hope these new obsessions can be used for each other and not as a subfaction wall.