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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 18:15:20
Subject: Re:The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Ouze wrote:I flipped through this for a second, but I've never seen the original movie. Do I need to watch the movie first... ?
You don't need to. I would recommend watching the original just because though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 18:16:45
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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The series is a prequel to the movie, so it's almost better not to. All I can't speak to is how easy the series is to follow without at least a passing familiarity to the film. Given how it is established with the narration in the first episode, and it's a fairly simple story of good Vs evil I can't imagine there's be anything too tough to grasp.
For the record I think everything Xenomancers said is wrong, but that's why there aren't just one film and TV show on a loop on one channel, everyone likes different things.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 18:19:15
Subject: Re:The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Thanks. I will check this out, it looks very weird and interesting and I know a lot of people said the Dark Crystal was amazing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 18:40:46
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Honestly I wouldn't have been one of them. I never had any great affection for the movie, although I don't recall watching it since I was a child, when it was still a contemporary release. But I am enjoying the show.
My main criticism (so far, about 3 episodes to go) is that I'm not sure it'll do much to attract modern kids to the franchise. It is probably an episode too slow to get going, and episodes that mostly hover ~45mins without any sort of ad break or other natural stopping point are more akin to adult drama than kids TV.
I've been wrestling with suggesting my friend watch this with her 8 year old girl, and while there's much I know she'd like (she gravitates, as many kids do, to stuff with a dark edge to it. The "Roald Dahl" factor if you like, which The Dark Crystal absolutely has) I am struggling with reconciling that with the physical reality of her sitting through the long episodes, especially the hour long opener, before the really juicy stuff kicks in.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 19:00:22
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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I think we would disagree Azreal because you didn't like the original much. I think the original is fantastic.
I think a youngin today would probably really enjoy this series though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/07 09:44:11
Subject: Re:The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Executing Exarch
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started on the first episode, seems okay, not sure yet if we are dealing with an origins retcon or unreliable narrator, loved the horrid rollybug powered carriage
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 01:03:03
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Just finished the last episode.
It has struck me that, how it is now set up, that this series is literally A New Hope, the next series is perfectly poised to be The Skesis Strike Back and, if they leave it there, the movie will fit perfectly as Return Of The Gelfling.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 05:06:41
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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I liked everything about Dark Crystal except the Gelfling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 13:33:33
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Azreal13 wrote:Just finished the last episode.
It has struck me that, how it is now set up, that this series is literally A New Hope, the next series is perfectly poised to be The Skesis Strike Back and, if they leave it there, the movie will fit perfectly as Return Of The Gelfling.
Not a bad analogy, but if we go with Gelfling = Jedi, this series is more like the Prequels and the next season will eventually have order 66, leaving only 2 alive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 13:37:19
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Courageous Questing Knight
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I fondly recall the original movie and I would have thought if I went back to watch it now with the lack of CGI and all that I would be horribly disappointed, so I left it to my memories.
So, when I tried to sit and watch the new series with the promise of great special effects and all:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 13:55:26
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Sorry you feel that way. For me, and I suspect many others, that's part of the "magic" or "charm" of it. Sometimes CGI is more distracting to me, but a practical effect, in this case puppets, rarely feels fake to me, especially when they are brought to life by the talented artists and puppeteers of the Henson Co.
But maybe I'm just nostalgic that way. I remember growing up in an age in which CGI was new and you could tell. The original Jumanji was a movie I always remember being able to tell what was CGI and what was an animatronic. Same with the original Jurassic Park, although that has held up much better.
I feel like I've been "conditioned" to recognize CG, regardless of quality, so I tend to like practical effects more. They just seem more tangible, regardless of "lack of facial expression" (which I disagree with you aren't there, they totally have expression, just not the overly cartoony kind that some CGI characters do)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 14:02:16
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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Galef wrote:Sorry you feel that way. For me, and I suspect many others, that's part of the "magic" or "charm" of it. Sometimes CGI is more distracting to me, but a practical effect, in this case puppets, rarely feels fake to me, especially when they are brought to life by the talented artists and puppeteers of the Henson Co.
But maybe I'm just nostalgic that way. I remember growing up in an age in which CGI was new and you could tell. The original Jumanji was a movie I always remember being able to tell what was CGI and what was an animatronic. Same with the original Jurassic Park, although that has held up much better.
I feel like I've been "conditioned" to recognize CG, regardless of quality, so I tend to like practical effects more. They just seem more tangible, regardless of "lack of facial expression" (which I disagree with you aren't there, they totally have expression, just not the overly cartoony kind that some CGI characters do)
Agreed. If they had gone with full CGI for the series it would have been a travesty, and I was personally rather impressed with just how much expression the muppets and their puppeteers were able to convey throughout the series.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/11 14:14:37
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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ikeulhu wrote: Galef wrote:Sorry you feel that way. For me, and I suspect many others, that's part of the "magic" or "charm" of it. Sometimes CGI is more distracting to me, but a practical effect, in this case puppets, rarely feels fake to me, especially when they are brought to life by the talented artists and puppeteers of the Henson Co. But maybe I'm just nostalgic that way. I remember growing up in an age in which CGI was new and you could tell. The original Jumanji was a movie I always remember being able to tell what was CGI and what was an animatronic. Same with the original Jurassic Park, although that has held up much better. I feel like I've been "conditioned" to recognize CG, regardless of quality, so I tend to like practical effects more. They just seem more tangible, regardless of "lack of facial expression" (which I disagree with you aren't there, they totally have expression, just not the overly cartoony kind that some CGI characters do)
Agreed. If they had gone with full CGI for the series it would have been a travesty, and I was personally rather impressed with just how much expression the muppets and their puppeteers were able to convey throughout the series.
Yep, they had just the right MIX of pratical and CGI. Most of the backgrounds, for example, were practical, but expanded with CGI. Even the puppets had some CGI added to them like the Skeksis/Mystics tongues being CGI. So the practical took center stage, but CGI was used to "polish" it. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/12 20:50:22
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Man that was 10 hours of awesome right there. I was never a fan of the Gelflings in the original though. However, after watching the documentary about making the show its at least explained.
Apparently even Jim Henson wasn't too happy with the facial range of the Gelflings. Seems the head is to small to properly fit all the electronics as well as the puppeteers hand which explains why their lips barely moved when they spoke. 30 years later is seems the electronics are now small enough to allow much more facial movement, which made the whole show much better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/13 06:54:39
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Keeper of the Flame
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I woke up from a long night at work to find my 6 year old daughter parked in front of this show. She saw the movie this year, and took to watching the show of her own volition. I'd say that's a stamp of approval right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/15 20:21:54
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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I would have been fine with full cgi. I would have been fine with full puppets. The mixing of the two bothered me. Like you’d get a distant shot or quick movement done in cgi that’s so smooth, and then the camera zooms in and it’s super awkward muppets. Also the Skisis cgi tongues inside their puppet heads really bothered me.
Is there supposed to be another series following this or is this to lead right into the movie?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 01:16:42
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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I think there would have been better ways to use the cgi/puppet combination. Marvel has basically mastered touching up practical effects with cgi. I dont know if this couldnt do the same from lack of funding or experience but when used properly its a force multiplier and basically seamless.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 03:43:52
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Rewatched the original last night. It's not just nostalgia. There is an overall feeling of darkness that this series failed to replicate. The skexis just look scarier and uglier. Even the environment in the original looks better. The Land striders particularly look better in the original and those were dudes wearing a consutme on stilts lol. The CGI kinda ruins it for me and I am not a CGI hater. The mixture I didn't like.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 04:09:23
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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I watched both the original and the new series for the first time last week and I agree, the new series is a bit lighter in tone. It's a lot like 90s grimdark 40k vs modern day 40k. Times change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 13:17:50
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I get the feeling that they intentionally make it "lighter" so that the eventually near extinction of the Gelfling would be all the darker by contrast. We'll see if there is a second season.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 13:23:55
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I just want to know when its coming to DVD/Amazon Prime! Hopefully the DVD release isn't too far off (ok its probably months off)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 13:41:47
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I tried watching the first episode of the series next and it nearly put me to sleep. I just couldn't get into it. I remember loving the movie back when it was new and I was a youngling. Maybe it's just something more for kids, and i just need more explosions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 14:39:43
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Galef wrote:I get the feeling that they intentionally make it "lighter" so that the eventually near extinction of the Gelfling would be all the darker by contrast. We'll see if there is a second season.
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There has to be doesn't there? Why would they leave all the murdering of gelflings to happen off screen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/16 15:41:25
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Can’t see it not getting a second season, or indeed as many as they need.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/17 02:28:02
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Norn Queen
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Yeah its been way too popular. A second season is a sure thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/17 09:58:18
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Plus, bulk of the production costs were likely invested in creating the puppets. So one would assume second and subsequent seasons could cope on a lower budget?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/17 11:39:55
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It might not be much lower. Any new sets will be a big cost, plus new characters. In addition changes to current characters plus upkeep and repair of the puppets. So chances are you'll have to retain most of the team. The most likely thing is that production time might be quicker because you won't need as many new sets (unless they make huge changes); and as you say a lot of the core building has been done.
Also don't underestimate the costs of the CGI, which could easily go up if they get an enlarged budget.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/18 14:05:18
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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I'd just say the story was left at a point where it's pretty obvious they are planning for a 2nd season. If they can afford it or not all depends. How many people are buying Netflix just to watch this...heck...we already all have netflix.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/18 14:16:03
Subject: The Dark Crystal (Netflix)
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Enjoyed the first season. It definitely matches the Dark Whimsy of the original. Very happy to see Landstriders as I rember them blowing my mind as kid. I'd forgotten how hobbit-like Gelflings are - totally not standard violent hero material.
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