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Man, that model's arms are RIIIIIIGHT where I want to see on the model. Right on top of the torso join, if there is one.
I am so glad he's not pulling a triple-axle ollie kickflip off of a curved distinctive piece of eldar masonry, and instead has a simple, easily convertible pose that if you were not so inclined would not make all your squad look silly and identical.
A man can dream about torsos compatible with the rest of the drukhari range, though, a man can dream.... Think how many conversions you could pull with the Raider passenger legs, the Hellion two-handed weapon bits, and that demiklaive.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
I don't play Eldar and I don't plan to, but I am glad to see them getting new plastics.
Maybe this Psychic Awakening is (at least) partly an "excuse" to push out some Xeno plastics to replace the remaining Failcast models still in lines?
I'd like that, since I'd rather throw the resin Necron characters I have in the garbage and buy some plastic ones rather than waste an irreplaceable portion of my life trying to make them into an acceptable models.
"Wir sehen hiermit wieder die Sprache als das Dasein des Geistes." - The Phenomenology of Spirit
Looks pretty good for the most part, and you can count me in among the group of people who are happy that he isn't backflipping off of some piece of masonry.
That being said, his head looks way too big. Like, it's the size of his whole torso. Hopefully the other heads in the kit are more reasonably sized.
H wrote: I don't play Eldar and I don't plan to, but I am glad to see them getting new plastics.
Maybe this Psychic Awakening is (at least) partly an "excuse" to push out some Xeno plastics to replace the remaining Failcast models still in lines?
I'd like that, since I'd rather throw the resin Necron characters I have in the garbage and buy some plastic ones rather than waste an irreplaceable portion of my life trying to make them into an acceptable models.
That’s 100% what the campaigns are for.
Excuse to do new models outside of a Codex. And sell a book with it.
And be able to spread stuff round to various factions.
I do find it off that the banshee exarch was teased with gear options, abilities and insane damage output and this guy is basically ripped straight from the index. Hopefully there is more to come but at the very least I am glad the incubi are getting a plastic kit.
Red Corsair wrote: I do find it off that the banshee exarch was teased with gear options, abilities and insane damage output and this guy is basically ripped straight from the index. Hopefully there is more to come but at the very least I am glad the incubi are getting a plastic kit.
Yeah its a bit crap......as you say hopefully new rules for a new model.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Red Corsair wrote: I do find it off that the banshee exarch was teased with gear options, abilities and insane damage output and this guy is basically ripped straight from the index. Hopefully there is more to come but at the very least I am glad the incubi are getting a plastic kit.
yeah. In the era of Primaris Marines and other super-super-duper elite infantry like Bullgryns/Custodes/Grotesques, it's pretty odd to have a special weapon that is a choice between:
3A S4 AP-3 D1
5A S3 AP-2 D1
I can tweak my damage output 10% in favor of guardsmen vs basic marine tactical troops, coolcoolcool, hopefully nothing has an invuln save to make the single klaive option not useful at all.
Part of it is definitely the older tier of "Warrior elite" troops losing their luster compared to the new breed of 45ppm hyper-elite infantry. For all I know, they give incubi a stat tweak and they wind up not a bad little unit. but I do hope they don't release six exarch powers for banshees and then the klaivex doesn't get any lol.
If they're getting a whole kit though, there's got to be options they're keeping close to their chest. What else would be on the sprue otherwise?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Das_Ubermike wrote: Looks pretty good for the most part, and you can count me in among the group of people who are happy that he isn't backflipping off of some piece of masonry..
Same.
Though I'd like to know what keeps those armbands standing at a right angle when he's holding his arms stiff.
Other than that, though, glad to see DE plastics. Hope they finally finish that range someday. Only a few kits left...
I did squeeze a bit when the image loaded.
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Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
To be fair, Howling Banshees got announced at Nova...so the Exarch was announced after and they probably wanted to have some 'meat' to it beyond just "Here's an Exarch!".
Personally, my fingers are crossed for next week being a Court of the Young King box reveal.
pm713 wrote: Did Incubi ever have their own version of Exarch powers? I doubt GW are going to add them now.
They used to have a few things - like helmit mounted splinter pistols. Given they are a dark mirror of Aspect Warriors and Exarchs - not giving them the smae boost seems extremely lazy.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
As someone who doesn't play the game, I like the model and could theoretically see myself buying a box of these guys to accompany my finecast ones. That the rules for the unit make them worthless is of course sad, but not unexpected.
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Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
Math. Against most targets they're underwhelming and not very good. and the outcome isn't particularly distinct. Kills about 1 ork either way, .84 or .72 of marine and 1.32 or 1.65 guardsmen.
DE just have so many better, cheaper ways of killing enemies
.
It doesn't help that incubi don't get Obsessions, either, while reavers can seriously charge you from halfway across the table. And 8th is unkind in general to non-reaver DE melee units.
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Now we are talking, GW. Making all those long forgotten finecrap or metal models into plastic is a step in the right direction.
Very nice model, as well, I like the serious pose and overall design (which is the same as the existing models), I would have preferred the helmets of the old metal models with the new body, but anyway, very good.
Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
Math. Against most targets they're underwhelming and not very good. and the outcome isn't particularly distinct. Kills about 1 ork either way, .84 or .72 of marine and 1.32 or 1.65 guardsmen.
DE just have so many better, cheaper ways of killing enemies
.
SO basically the added attack opton is worthless. ?
Wellp.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
pm713 wrote: Did Incubi ever have their own version of Exarch powers? I doubt GW are going to add them now.
They used to have a few things - like helmit mounted splinter pistols. Given they are a dark mirror of Aspect Warriors and Exarchs - not giving them the smae boost seems extremely lazy.
Yep, I'm sure the rules that we've seen so far are the entire extent of the rules incubi will receive. It is not likely at all for GW to put any additional options in this brand new plastic kit to encourage existing dark eldar players to buy it.
Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
Math. Against most targets they're underwhelming and not very good. and the outcome isn't particularly distinct. Kills about 1 ork either way, .84 or .72 of marine and 1.32 or 1.65 guardsmen.
DE just have so many better, cheaper ways of killing enemies
.
SO basically the added attack opton is worthless. ?
Wellp.
I mean its not, but it makes very little difference in damage against any target that isn't like T5. It kills .88 guardsmen as opposed to .7 for the single blade.
S3 is a real killer.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
So Incubi are fairly new models especially when compared to Craftworlds stuff. Can we exercise a daring thought that finecast fails to sell and they really really want to replace it?
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Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
Math. Against most targets they're underwhelming and not very good. and the outcome isn't particularly distinct. Kills about 1 ork either way, .84 or .72 of marine and 1.32 or 1.65 guardsmen.
DE just have so many better, cheaper ways of killing enemies
.
SO basically the added attack opton is worthless. ?
Wellp.
More or less. A unit will kill an extra guardsmen or two, but it also has to get there. With no 'chapter tactics' or special rules to help, and no charging out of an open topped vehicle, which was the de facto delivery method in older editions.
Shadenuat wrote: So Incubi are fairly new models especially when compared to Craftworlds stuff. Can we exercise a daring thought that finecast fails to sell and they really really want to replace it?
Considering they've replaced Finecast pretty consistently and even gotten rid of that branding entirely (It's nowhere on their website anymore IIRC) I think it's safe to say that release was a super-flop.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Imateria wrote: Saddly the Demi-klaives profile is unchanged, meaning they're still worthless pieces of crap.
Yeah, I was going to comment about this. What is even the point of the second profile? Might as well have the option to swap out the Klaive for a French loaf.
Also, the Banshee Exarch get 6 completely new powers to choose from whilst the Klaivex doesn't even get a fix to his garbage weapon. Glad to see that the preferential treatment for Craftwords remains strong as ever.
Amishprn86 wrote: COOOOL Incubi, i literally don't care as a DE player, i'd rather have more HQ options and a way to mix detachments some new traits for mix detachments, etc..
Also this.
I really don't want the only models DE get this decade to just be more plastic remakes of finecast models.
Welcome to the club DE players care for an oblitervirus shake?
But in all seriousness, what's the issue with the weapon? For a non eldar player?
Math. Against most targets they're underwhelming and not very good. and the outcome isn't particularly distinct. Kills about 1 ork either way, .84 or .72 of marine and 1.32 or 1.65 guardsmen.
DE just have so many better, cheaper ways of killing enemies
.
SO basically the added attack opton is worthless. ?
Wellp.
For 1st its not added, we had that option for years, 8th took it away bc GW has to take at least 20% from DE every book, they simply gave it back to use, and 2nd, its only on the leader, the unit is mathematically one if not the worst DE unit besides Clawed Fiends.
Nothing they do in 8th will make them playable other than completely changing everything about them, if they had +2 to wound with re-rolls, at least you can use them as a MW bomb unit.
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the_scotsman wrote: Considering they've replaced Finecast pretty consistently and even gotten rid of that branding entirely (It's nowhere on their website anymore IIRC) I think it's safe to say that release was a super-flop.
Oh hey indeed. Maybe that's why they're repackaging things all the time, to get rid of the name and stigma coming with it.
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Does anyone expect the kit to have any addtional options, like the Banshee kit does? Ynnari Incubi don't sound particularly likely to me as an idea, since they've always been described as very devoted to passionless pursuit of martial arts, unlikely to be moved by religious conviction
Agamemnon2 wrote: Does anyone expect the kit to have any addtional options, like the Banshee kit does? Ynnari Incubi don't sound particularly likely to me as an idea, since they've always been described as very devoted to passionless pursuit of martial arts, unlikely to be moved by religious conviction
maybe but for all their bluster and edgelord kewl a viable avoidance of She that Thirists would tempt most Deldar
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