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 Elbows wrote:
Did I say I expected anything different from modern GW? Please quote the post.

Overquoting is Dakka's schtick.

But I hear you: proper dakkanaut won't buy new model because it's too pretty, and if it wasn't won't buy anyway because rules are useless.

20 more years for next plastic Aspect Warriors.

Sorry but I don't like her. Like the other Banshees, IMO she looks a bit on the 'chunky' side & the hair doesn't help. So glad I have the original.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Tbh given they gave us artwork of her fighting drazhar, the "omg you'll never guess who we have next!" Is a little deflating. I wish they'd just done both today.

To be honest, if you weren't someone who found the artwork via a forum like this where we had an image literally labeled with Drazhar's name via Warhammer Art's website?
You wouldn't know.

They pulled the image off Warhammer Art's website now and the only place it's posted is the Community "Artwork Sighted" bit, where it's not labeled with Drazhar.

Artwork shows banshees and jain zar fighting incubi, who are lead by......

A person who could literally be anyone?

Serious statement here, if you didn't know that it was labeled as "Drazhar" from the Warhammer Art page and reposted here--would you have actually been able to say, definitively, that it's Drazhar?
A reasonable person would outright say "No, I wouldn't be able to say that". You might think it's Drazhar, but since it's not like Jain Zar where it's basically just a touch-up of something we knew--it would have been a slight surprise.

And hell, if it hadn't been for Warhammer Art posting that artwork early? You likely wouldn't have had even the dang picture to go by!

Come on, she's depicted in a fight with incubi in the artwork, her nemesis isn't going to be pit cleaner dave the part time klaivex is it?

If they hadn't put the artwork up, I'd have made the educated guess that they previewed banshees > Phoenix lord, they previewed incubi so logically > Phoenix lord.

So, Jain Zar basically has to continuously run everywhere, or failing that, is forced to just drag that hair across the ground wherever she goes?
That much hair must rack up quite a shampoo bill anyway, last thing you want is to drag it through the dirt all the time.

Marines have seals of purity bills, Eldar have shampoo bills.

I like it. It keeps to the old aesthetic while updating it to be more in line with the current capacity of GW.

Will be getting myself a copy when it comes out.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
So, Jain Zar basically has to continuously run everywhere, or failing that, is forced to just drag that hair across the ground wherever she goes?
That much hair must rack up quite a shampoo bill anyway, last thing you want is to drag it through the dirt all the time.

Don't be silly, she obviously runs on the hair. Her shoes are equipped with scrubbing bubble soles.

Not entirely shocked that 'suspended in air, precariously balanced on hair precariously balanced on ruins' is the look they decided to go for... but I do so miss game-practical and transport-practical models. The Beastgrave elf-things still make me cringe every time (though it doesn't help that those are also ugly).


Rules-wise, not sure 'slaughterer of cheap infantry' is something eldar are really in dire need of, but at least there are some rules updates attached to this.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Did I say I expected anything different from modern GW? Please quote the post.

Overquoting is Dakka's schtick.

But I hear you: proper dakkanaut won't buy new model because it's too pretty, and if it wasn't won't buy anyway because rules are useless.

20 more years for next plastic Aspect Warriors.

Who said anything about overquoting? You're running your mouth about things you believe I said...so, prove it. Quit dodging.

pm713 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Would you have preferred to have all at once and have 6 weeks of nothing then?

I'd prefer something in the middle like biweekly. Being unhappy with a silly slow release doesn't mean you want a stupid fast one either.

Ok. One week with 2, one week with nothing. Better?

Quick mock-up of what she might be like after a visit to the hairdresser.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Quick mock-up of what she might be like after a visit to the hairdresser.

Like this more.
Like this really really more.

Maybe I have no taste, but I really like her insane amount of hair.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Maybe I have no taste, but I really like her insane amount of hair.

it's not bad (granted i am no knive ear player so anyways not a target) but this looks just as fine imo and has a lower risk of suprise garbage hairjob at the coiffeur via transport box.

Love Jain Zar. Even love the silly hair. Retains the punky 90s Jes Goodwin vibe and pairs it with modern proportions and a dynamic but not overdone pose. Only thing I'm not so sure of are the super long ribbons, as I feel they're really dominating the model, but they can be easily removed.

Is that a new Raider type in the duel artwork? Looks like bigger fins and perhaps a prow gun.

Nice model for the mother of Banshees. But Maugan Ra when?

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Quick mock-up of what she might be like after a visit to the hairdresser.

Now also ditch those giant ribbons on the spear and we're good to go!

How many attacks is this special rule, now? All models within 2inches after pile in...

How many guardsmen is this, conceivably?

 jeff white wrote:
How many attacks is this special rule, now? All models within 2inches after pile in...

How many guardsmen is this, conceivably?

Well got 7 25mm base around 1, 11 more for 2nd row and 3rd row would be there so if opponent is suicidical enough to cram as much stuff around it either he's pretty darn sure he can kill her before he strikes or he faces 30+ attacks easily

 Lord Perversor wrote:


The bright side it's after all an improvement on stability remember the Old model joint point was just the tip of her right shoe in a kind of ballerina position (albeit metal)

To help stabilize the old Jain Zar in metal after I clipped it off of the slot that it came on
I glued a half oil barrel to the base.

The model's extended foot could be bent over the barrel -
large curved contact point.

Scored and glued the F outta that.

The ankle is weak though - if I recall, it is in a box... long time.
Still breakable.

I like the old metal model - the heft of it feels like a queen, a major piece when it is moved.

Then new one is even spikier.
Not so easy to travel.

The old metal one is big enough on a 6x4 table imho.
.Guess characters get bigger as the prices grow relative production costs per unit.

 jeff white wrote:
How many attacks is this special rule, now? All models within 2inches after pile in...

How many guardsmen is this, conceivably?

yeah but if you’re playing against an opponent that bad... then you’ve already won anyway.

tneva82 wrote:


Well got 7 25mm base around 1, 11 more for 2nd row and 3rd row would be there so if opponent is suicidical enough to cram as much stuff around it either he's pretty darn sure he can kill her before he strikes or he faces 30+ attacks easily

Holy Terra,


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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Quick mock-up of what she might be like after a visit to the hairdresser.

Spoiler:

I guess I am nostalgic, or just not into the gimicky hairvaulting pose,
but I like this one better too.

Yeah, new Jain's rule is basically identical to the mythical solitaire that kills 30 orks with the cloak of blades relic.

You just need to be playing against an opponent dumb enough to say "Huuuurrrrrrr guess I'll pile in mah orks and fight with all of them den! Get 'em lads!"

You just have to play the one mythical opponent who does not have just a 30-man guard screen spread out in front of his leafblower list that tables a normal 40k list in 2 turns so you only need to prevent melee for 1.

Its a cute thing to say she can do, but the number of times you'll get more than 1 or 2 extra attacks out of it (assuming her base attacks stay at 4) will be slim.

Kind of like how Harlequins Kisses used to penetrate tanks. They had a base strength of 4, rolled a D6 to pen. If you rolled a 6, you got to roll another D6, and if that D6 was a six...you get the idea. Most vehicles had about 20 armor, so on average you needed to roll 3 6s in a row to get through, at which point you automatically killed one random crewman with the Kiss.

tneva82 wrote:
Well got 7 25mm base around 1, 11 more for 2nd row and 3rd row would be there so if opponent is suicidical enough to cram as much stuff around it either he's pretty darn sure he can kill her before he strikes or he faces 30+ attacks easily

More like 10, and if opponent wants, will probably be about 5, and that's with small bases - orks have 32 mm bases.

The rule should be like 3" instead of 2".

 Elbows wrote:
Who said anything about overquoting? You're running your mouth about things you believe I said...so, prove it. Quit dodging.

Very well - you expected it, and decided not to buy it even before it was released. Quite tactically apt.

high toughness, high strength - my attempt at a solution.
That and autocannons.

If this gets a box with banshees and night lords, I will buy it, immediately.

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 Shadenuat wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well got 7 25mm base around 1, 11 more for 2nd row and 3rd row would be there so if opponent is suicidical enough to cram as much stuff around it either he's pretty darn sure he can kill her before he strikes or he faces 30+ attacks easily

More like 10, and if opponent wants, will probably be about 5, and that's with small bases - orks have 32 mm bases.

The rule should be like 3" instead of 2".

This is a big difference.

Would still buy a night lords bundle with banshees.

 jeff white wrote:
high toughness, high strength.


If this gets a box with banshees and night lords, I will buy it, immediately.


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 Shadenuat wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well got 7 25mm base around 1, 11 more for 2nd row and 3rd row would be there so if opponent is suicidical enough to cram as much stuff around it either he's pretty darn sure he can kill her before he strikes or he faces 30+ attacks easily

More like 10, and if opponent wants, will probably be about 5, and that's with small bases - orks have 32 mm bases.

The rule should be like 3" instead of 2".

This is a big difference.

Would still buy a night lords bundle with banshees.

Why Night Lords..?

 ImAGeek wrote:


Why Night Lords..?

In the late 41st Millennium, Jain Zar hunted the Chaos Space Marine Talos Valcoran, the commander of the 1st Claw of the 10th Company of the Night Lords Traitor Legion, due to a vision by Eldar Seers who foresaw that a prophet of the VIII Legion would unify the Night Lords and lead them against the Ulthwé Eldar in the future, and in so doing kill enough of the Craftworld's population to push it beyond its ability to recover its losses. When Talos' warband of Night Lords laid waste to the Imperial colonists of the world of Tsagualsa in the Eastern Fringe, they were ambushed by Eldar of the Ulthwé Craftworld looking to again kill the Soul Hunter before he could become a threat to their race. In the ensuing battle, nearly every member of Talos' warband was slain and he himself became embroiled in a desperate single combat against the deadly Phoenix Lord who had led the Ulthwé Aspect Warriors. In the ensuing battle, Jain Zar took grievous injuries and Talos sacrificed himself by detonating a grenade, killing the Eldar Exarch and ending her hunt. However, given that Exarchs can be reborn in new bodies[6a] she is unlikely truly dead.

copied from
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jain_Zar

Plus I always wanted an excuse to collect night lords and chaos marine generally.
I did snag some old metal termies in mint shape a while back,
and got some plastic weapons arm options for them...

I think one thing that will help people determine what's happening with psychic awakening is *how long* each campaign will last?

Are they going to rapid-fire these out every month after they get started, or is there going to be like 4-6 months between books?

I'm predicting the latter, and I hope that that means there's more to come than howling banshees and incubi (and their leaders). Both Drukhari and Aeldari have a LOT of models that need to be updated, either from age or from resin.

Now, one thing I'm predicting is that Harlequins will get a little attention, maybe in the form of a new unit. They could use some troop variety (which I'd love, since it'd help them have variety in Kill Team too). But, we'll see. If all we get are the 4 kits, I'll be just a little disappointed.

Ah yeah, and the Night Lords keeping Ulthwe at bay as Chaos broke free of the Eye of Terror and started all this shenanigans is a pretty important lore point.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, new Jain's rule is basically identical to the mythical solitaire that kills 30 orks with the cloak of blades relic.

You just need to be playing against an opponent dumb enough to say "Huuuurrrrrrr guess I'll pile in mah orks and fight with all of them den! Get 'em lads!"

You just have to play the one mythical opponent who does not have just a 30-man guard screen spread out in front of his leafblower list that tables a normal 40k list in 2 turns so you only need to prevent melee for 1.

Its a cute thing to say she can do, but the number of times you'll get more than 1 or 2 extra attacks out of it (assuming her base attacks stay at 4) will be slim..

Or you could play against me I'm notorious for not bothering to ask rules in advance so I have been hit by:

a) some grey knight character. Alone. I figure "okay that can't be too bad" and charge mob of boyz into it. In the end <10 boyz was left as sole survivors of that fight. "He can do WHAT?!?! (okay so the GK character had to die to do that but point wise it was good tradeoff as he got against pretty much ideal target for his abilities)
b) face salamanders. They have some weirdo dreadnought from FW. I figure "okay it's maybe 2+/5++ character with some flamers" so didn't pay too much attention until it was in middle of my army. "Wait what do you mean he's T9, 2+/5++/4+++? With nasty flamers that can shoot out of combat?"

One day I should bother to ask stats of new units I face first time. I read enough from net it's not like there's that much total surprises for me yet I still never seem to learn...

 jeff white wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


Why Night Lords..?

In the late 41st Millennium, Jain Zar hunted the Chaos Space Marine Talos Valcoran, the commander of the 1st Claw of the 10th Company of the Night Lords Traitor Legion, due to a vision by Eldar Seers who foresaw that a prophet of the VIII Legion would unify the Night Lords and lead them against the Ulthwé Eldar in the future, and in so doing kill enough of the Craftworld's population to push it beyond its ability to recover its losses. When Talos' warband of Night Lords laid waste to the Imperial colonists of the world of Tsagualsa in the Eastern Fringe, they were ambushed by Eldar of the Ulthwé Craftworld looking to again kill the Soul Hunter before he could become a threat to their race. In the ensuing battle, nearly every member of Talos' warband was slain and he himself became embroiled in a desperate single combat against the deadly Phoenix Lord who had led the Ulthwé Aspect Warriors. In the ensuing battle, Jain Zar took grievous injuries and Talos sacrificed himself by detonating a grenade, killing the Eldar Exarch and ending her hunt. However, given that Exarchs can be reborn in new bodies[6a] she is unlikely truly dead.

copied from
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jain_Zar

Sure, but this is part of the Psychic Awakening story, set after that, and it’s Eldar vs Dark Eldar.