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I about expected Chapter specific Litanies since they did that for the Chaos Gods and the Apostle.

Now we need to see updated Legion traits.

stormcraft wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/space-marines-why-you-need-faith-furygw-homepage-post-3/

More space marine buffs, because poor space marines really need even more new stuff...

Sigh.....

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I about expected Chapter specific Litanies since they did that for the Chaos Gods and the Apostle.

Now we need to see updated Legion traits.

I'm crossing my fingers they'll suprise us and do it in CA.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I about expected Chapter specific Litanies since they did that for the Chaos Gods and the Apostle.

Now we need to see updated Legion traits.

I'm crossing my fingers they'll suprise us and do it in CA.

Of course! Alpha Legion will for sure get their trait updated...

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I about expected Chapter specific Litanies since they did that for the Chaos Gods and the Apostle.

Now we need to see updated Legion traits.

I'm crossing my fingers they'll suprise us and do it in CA.

Of course! Alpha Legion will for sure get their trait updated...

and frankly I'd rather see them make adjustments like that in CA or FAQs rather then waste page space on a supplement patching things.

We could just all unanimously decide that the space marine codex doesn’t count and simply take our models off the table the moment rowboat girlymans pops out. If we all do it eventually no one outside the tournament scene will be buying space marine models. Sucks for space marine players but hopefully they’ll realize it’s for the good of the hobby. Or play index rules only against them... it’s your darned toy soldiers play with them how you want to and quit letting GW cruddy and biased rules ruin it for you. Heck write some rules for a cool character and put your own dude down. Make your own rules like the one page 40k did. Play that and stream it. Post the link in the appropriate forum and let’s make it a community wide that we can all have fun playing this game. Make it really take off and never touch a GW publication again; at least until they fix their rules. I’m too attached to the fluff to switch to a new game but talk to the other players. GW needs to learn that the space marines have literally nothing to contribute to the hobby right now; they need some cool villains to fight or else all you will ever see is goulliman and company fighting his clones and the tournament scene devolve to a coin flip.

Great, I look forward to 2 centurions getting replaced in a unit a turn now.

Oh and now a Slaplain (?) can basically grab a storm shield, because marines didn't have enough 3++ saves floating around on jump pack characters.

At this point I hope they give marines a buff in every single PA book, it's already absurd, may as well go whole hog for laughs

macluvin wrote:
We could just all unanimously decide that the space marine codex doesn’t count and simply take our models off the table the moment rowboat girlymans pops out. If we all do it eventually no one outside the tournament scene will be buying space marine models. Sucks for space marine players but hopefully they’ll realize it’s for the good of the hobby. Or play index rules only against them... it’s your darned toy soldiers play with them how you want to and quit letting GW cruddy and biased rules ruin it for you. Heck write some rules for a cool character and put your own dude down. Make your own rules like the one page 40k did. Play that and stream it. Post the link in the appropriate forum and let’s make it a community wide that we can all have fun playing this game. Make it really take off and never touch a GW publication again; at least until they fix their rules. I’m too attached to the fluff to switch to a new game but talk to the other players. GW needs to learn that the space marines have literally nothing to contribute to the hobby right now; they need some cool villains to fight or else all you will ever see is goulliman and company fighting his clones and the tournament scene devolve to a coin flip.

i mean, its pretty much already this at my store, people dont straight up pack up and leave, but theyre not ashamed to tell the opponent that their armies are stupid and surrender games early.

Honestly, no issues with the main C:SM, all the issues with the supplements.

I would really like it if other factions were given the super nice treatment codex marines are getting right now. These changes are cool and fluffy (not always competitive), but overall very cool to have. This would be so great to spread the love to other factions and it wouldn't be that hard. I want super a warboss, super painboy, super chaos sorcs, super warpsmtihs and the like. Also inb4 imperial fist litany is counts as in cover.

Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Yea, its a stupid, poor set up. They could release these sorts of rules for multiple factions at once so fewer players are left stranded rather than the mess we have now.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

macluvin wrote:
We could just all unanimously decide that the space marine codex doesn’t count and simply take our models off the table the moment rowboat girlymans pops out. If we all do it eventually no one outside the tournament scene will be buying space marine models. Sucks for space marine players but hopefully they’ll realize it’s for the good of the hobby. Or play index rules only against them... it’s your darned toy soldiers play with them how you want to and quit letting GW cruddy and biased rules ruin it for you. Heck write some rules for a cool character and put your own dude down. Make your own rules like the one page 40k did. Play that and stream it. Post the link in the appropriate forum and let’s make it a community wide that we can all have fun playing this game. Make it really take off and never touch a GW publication again; at least until they fix their rules. I’m too attached to the fluff to switch to a new game but talk to the other players. GW needs to learn that the space marines have literally nothing to contribute to the hobby right now; they need some cool villains to fight or else all you will ever see is goulliman and company fighting his clones and the tournament scene devolve to a coin flip.

i mean, its pretty much already this at my store, people dont straight up pack up and leave, but theyre not ashamed to tell the opponent that their armies are stupid and surrender games early.

I would have said the rules writers for their armies are stupid and have made games against their faction completely unfair and not fun; that I refuse to waste my hobby time playing against such an army. Hate the game not the player. Unless you are talking about primariues in particular. That’s an opinion. That I agree with. But still only an opinion.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Yea, its a stupid, poor set up. They could release these sorts of rules for multiple factions at once so fewer players are left stranded rather than the mess we have now.

Especially considering this was written at the same time as csm rules and the rules for eldar in pa1.

Can't wait to see the difference between ba and tyranids and sw and orks in their respective books.

Bet we get even more c:sm rules in those too.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, no issues with the main C:SM, all the issues with the supplements.

Then play like that. If they don’t want to then explain that the supplements have caused the marines to be completely overpowered and that it’s not a fun game for you, and move on to the next game.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Necrons got Decurions first, Orks and Space Wolves were first of 7th, Sisters were the first of 6th (apparently)…

C:SM has been solidly middle of the pack for multiple editions, so people crying about Marines being #1 all the time are just being silly.

macluvin wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, no issues with the main C:SM, all the issues with the supplements.

Then play like that. If they don’t want to then explain that the supplements have caused the marines to be completely overpowered and that it’s not a fun game for you, and move on to the next game.

Allready do generally.

Mate of mine was diehard ih, we took one look at the supplement, he laughed, put it back and uses custom traits now.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Necrons got Decurions first, Orks and Space Wolves were first of 7th, Sisters were the first of 6th (apparently)…

C:SM has been solidly middle of the pack for multiple editions, so people crying about Marines being #1 all the time are just being silly.

he's not wrong that marines often are the first with something though, granted a lot of the time what seems to happen is GW introduces a mechanic that is supposed to make marines stand out and be differant/unique from the other armies in the game and then everyone else wants it. the first 8th edition marine dex underperforming was no suprise

Just a PSA in case no one managed to catch it:

German FB group managed to get the lowdown on the Iron Warriors PA relic and known WL trait. We all know the warlord trait gives reroll wound rolls of 1 for Havoks and Vehicles within 6" of warlord, but the relic seems cool.

"Poisoned Metacanticle" Warpsmith model only, can at the end of combat do 4 extra attacks with this weapon. Any successful hits cause 1MW in addition to any other damage" (which isn't likely as its a S1 weapon with no AP!) but quite cool to strip off wounds.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Necrons got Decurions first, Orks and Space Wolves were first of 7th, Sisters were the first of 6th (apparently)…

C:SM has been solidly middle of the pack for multiple editions, so people crying about Marines being #1 all the time are just being silly.

he's not wrong that marines often are the first with something though, granted a lot of the time what seems to happen is GW introduces a mechanic that is supposed to make marines stand out and be differant/unique from the other armies in the game and then everyone else wants it. the first 8th edition marine dex underperforming was no suprise

Can you give any examples, at all, of the bolded bit excluding the latest supplements? Any at all?

On topic, this PA campaign is a mess. GW's relentless focus on Marines has pissed the community off, big time. Like everyone, Chaos players, Xenos players, even SM players. Here's some quotations from facebook;
[spoiler]

I have a 4000pt fully painted marine army in custom raven guard sucessor style.
I AM EMBARRASSED TO USE THEM!!
They are too good now, i cant use them without literally apologising to the opponent for the sheer amount of gross power they have.
I spent 3 months lovingly painting then in anticipation of the supplement drop and now i just use my other less painted armies so i can actually get casual games.
And now.... more marine rules.

Well I've lost the faith but got a whole lot of fury, was that the intent for the book? If so, good job.

if the masters of the chapter had been in the codex i would have applauded, this just seems like filler to make the series run to more books. :(

Oh yay, because space marines haven't had any good rules updates in such a long time....

Let's give all the chapters that have just got their own supplements more stuff.
When will Blood Angels, Space wolves and Dark Angels get litanies and chapter tactics at the same standard as the resr?

This seems to be being about as well-received as when you put out that "new" core rulebook full of obsolete rules. Hope that, given the improvements GW seem to have made in the last couple of years in terms of responding to community feedback, somebody will have been paying attention to both these things.

I love my salamanders, was happy enough to get their own supplement, and now this....... Soon my regulars won't want to play my army if the buffs keep adding up.....

I'm wondering if Tyranids will ever get some new stuff, or just continue to languish as Marines get more and more...and more...and more....

Cool! Loyalists get all sorts of cool new toys (which they have been sorely lacking in for years), while Chaos gets name generation and tactical objectives! This is fair and balanced.

Space Marines really needed the help, they're only tier zero. Thank you

I'm a bit let down if we chaos Legions just get a crap relic, warlord trait, and stratagem from this book.

A tale as old as time, we get a bandaid instead of proper fixing.

At least if it's terrible it will help me stay in character as an Iron Warrior Warsmith when I play.

For those interested, I found more rumors (some are previews from the German GW page) and I post them in this post and in the comments to it. I'll keep updating the post on my page as I find new leaks or rumors:

https://www.facebook.com/hexfleetvirules/posts/1249217708604198

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Necrons got Decurions first, Orks and Space Wolves were first of 7th, Sisters were the first of 6th (apparently)…

C:SM has been solidly middle of the pack for multiple editions, so people crying about Marines being #1 all the time are just being silly.

he's not wrong that marines often are the first with something though, granted a lot of the time what seems to happen is GW introduces a mechanic that is supposed to make marines stand out and be differant/unique from the other armies in the game and then everyone else wants it. the first 8th edition marine dex underperforming was no suprise

Can you give any examples, at all, of the bolded bit excluding the latest supplements? Any at all?

chapter tactics. Marines got that, it was pretty much their one big mechanic (back in 6th/7th every army had a mechanic that seperated them from just their stats, Guardf had orders, Eldar had their ability etc) marines had chapter tactics. Chaos was absolutely right to ask for theirs to, but by and large when GW gave EVERYONE chapter tactics for 8th it meant Marines lost something. by contrast, did anyone else get the guard orders?

Seriously wtf with these extra abilities for space marines. My two main armies are Iron Hands and DW and even I am baffled by these buffs so soon after the codexes. Especially when compared with Phoenix Rising. I mean, really, wtf, I don’t play or like Eldar but that’s just plain insulting!

Can you now imagine Imperial Fist centurions backed up by the new banner and apothecary? Their stratagems aren’t even great so grabbing these abilities for a couple CP is a no brainer.

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Well usually Marines get the goodies first and they roll out to the other factions later. So, maybe?

Necrons got Decurions first, Orks and Space Wolves were first of 7th, Sisters were the first of 6th (apparently)…

C:SM has been solidly middle of the pack for multiple editions, so people crying about Marines being #1 all the time are just being silly.

he's not wrong that marines often are the first with something though, granted a lot of the time what seems to happen is GW introduces a mechanic that is supposed to make marines stand out and be differant/unique from the other armies in the game and then everyone else wants it. the first 8th edition marine dex underperforming was no suprise

Can you give any examples, at all, of the bolded bit excluding the latest supplements? Any at all?

chapter tactics. Marines got that, it was pretty much their one big mechanic (back in 6th/7th every army had a mechanic that seperated them from just their stats, Guardf had orders, Eldar had their ability etc) marines had chapter tactics. Chaos was absolutely right to ask for theirs to, but by and large when GW gave EVERYONE chapter tactics for 8th it meant Marines lost something. by contrast, did anyone else get the guard orders?

And what was the Ork unique *thing* pray tell? What was that Eldar ability you mentioned? Every faction got Chapter Tactic equivalents because every faction deserves them. Not sure how other factions gaining something is a loss to Marines, that is probably one of the daftest things I've read here.

All these extra rules are 100% unneccesary.. But I cant be too much salty about rules that make Chaplains worthwile.

I mean, Chaplains > Everything.

I think its extremely poor that rules for the various high ranking offciers of a Chapter were not in the main Codex that they just released.

Also that the so called camapign book is just another Marines rulebook.

Any idea what malicious volleys are?

Expanded army rules for the Heretic Astartes, including Malicious Volleys, Daemon weapons, new Warlord Traits, Stratagems, relics, Tactical Objectives and name generators for each of the following Chaos Space Marine Legions: Word Bearers, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Emperor's Children, and World Eaters.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I think its extremely poor that rules for the various high ranking offciers of a Chapter were not in the main Codex that they just released.

Also that the so called camapign book is just another Marines rulebook.

Once again showing even a clear Bias in marine cases.

The foodchain goes as follows :
Marines > csm (albeit the redheaded stepchild) > gsc then the rest.

Further no csm player really asked for more stratagems or Wl traits, what we asked for and many others would have been functioning legion traits and a reason for the obvious spiketax on units.

Instead, we still pay spiketax (13 pts for a worse then not played 12 pts Alternative that allready was better) have still not fixed traits and are now at publication 10 for Chaos Space Marines rule sources.

We have, imo atleast, officially entered 7.5 th edition and are in bs territory once again....



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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Any idea what malicious volleys are?

Expanded army rules for the Heretic Astartes, including Malicious Volleys, Daemon weapons, new Warlord Traits, Stratagems, relics, Tactical Objectives and name generators for each of the following Chaos Space Marine Legions: Word Bearers, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Emperor's Children, and World Eaters.

Probably renamed bolter discipline.

Seeing as Black Templars still pay 13 PPM for Crusader Squads, does that mean it's a Black Paint or a Chainsword tax rather than a Spike Tax?