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tneva82 wrote:

Atroxus wrote:
Super disappointed in that nid article. Can we just confirm for adaptive physiology it looks like we need to give up our warlord traits to give *a* unit or monster a buff?

we get that and marines get doctrines and super doctrines for the whole army?

Barring epic error by community team yep.

Ah well. For a moment it looked non marines might get nice stuff. Silly npc

SHUT UP NPC PLAYER #12!!! How dare you have opinions!!
Buy marines or GTFO!!!

Marines: armywide AP bonus on all units from the start of the game just for being marines

Tyranids: you can pay a command point for -1 AP bonus to one unit if it can first destroy something without the bonus

What a farce lol.

 xttz wrote:
Marines: armywide AP bonus on all units from the start of the game just for being marines

Tyranids: you can pay a command point for -1 AP bonus to one unit if it can first destroy something without the bonus

And only in melee. Forget ap bonus for guns!

 xttz wrote:
Marines: armywide AP bonus on all units from the start of the game just for being marines

Tyranids: you can pay a command point for -1 AP bonus to one unit if it can first destroy something without the bonus

+1 Exalt!

Wellcome, nid players, to the salt trench, you have now been shown your place and gotten your table scraps, now Start digging like a good little iron warrior conscript.

I was joking when I said I was expecting nothing but still expected to be disappointed. I didn't think it would ACTUALLY happen.

So wait, Adaptive Physiology is just an expansion of Warlord traits?

I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I was joking when I said I was expecting nothing but still expected to be disappointed. I didn't think it would ACTUALLY happen.

Gw works hard to turn all xeno and csm players into actual iron warriors.

That is worst fething gak I ever seen.



This edition.

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

+1

And we don't know what Adaptive Physiology quite does yet! It's possible (though I'm not holding my breath) that this is something that is a turn-by-turn bonus if you play all nids. Imagine getting to upgrade a unit each and every turn? Now that could be interesting!

The main thing that Tyranid players will use from this book will almost certainly be the custom traits. It wouldn't be that difficult to get better traits than the base book. But yeah, these releases look worse than even the Blood Angels that they previewed less than a week ago. A real shame too.

Darsath wrote:
It wouldn't be that difficult to get better traits than the base book.

I don't know, Kraken's 3D6-pick-highest Advance rule is significantly better than getting to re-roll, and being able to fall back and charge, plus the Kraken-specific stratagem (Opportunistic Advance), are incredibly useful.

I'm highly disappointed in what Adaptive Physiology turned out to be.

That relic is already better than any Tyranid codex one except the Kraken one.

But honestly the preview is extremely lazy, compare it with the Eldar one in with they bothered to show multiple combinations with some homemade fluff for the custom trait.

And Adaptive Physiology is disappointing.

The 4+++ from Overwatch is basically a counter for gunline Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

It isn't good outside tailoring but there ya go.

 Yarium wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

+1

And we don't know what Adaptive Physiology quite does yet! It's possible (though I'm not holding my breath) that this is something that is a turn-by-turn bonus if you play all nids. Imagine getting to upgrade a unit each and every turn? Now that could be interesting!

I don't know how you would infer that from the article. Its pretty clear that you give up your warlord trait to upgrade a unit for the length of the game. At best we can hope that maybe you update the datasheet rather than the unit so that ALL models of that get it. But give how they talked about a synaptic carnifex (singular) a few days ago I doubt thats the case.

Hoping for a strat that lets you upgrade a second unit at the least.

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

I dunno Spoletta, at least some of their stuff turned out to be useful. If the rest of the book is at the level of this article, that won't be the case for us.

I'm not sure what your meta is like but from what I can tell, it's the polar opposite of Karol's as it seems like you could take GK and crush everybody you run into from your rosy perspective on everything Nids

Darsath wrote:
So wait, Adaptive Physiology is just an expansion of Warlord traits?

Pretty much yes. One that is given on generally softer target. Better be good ones in there...


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 Yarium wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

+1

And we don't know what Adaptive Physiology quite does yet! It's possible (though I'm not holding my breath) that this is something that is a turn-by-turn bonus if you play all nids. Imagine getting to upgrade a unit each and every turn? Now that could be interesting!

What it does? You give up warlord and trait one(1, ichi, yksi and whatever 1 is written in other languages) unit gets upgraded.

If nids are lucky there's stratagem to get more at the price of cp. If not it's 1 period

One thing we have learned this morning is that Nids (well, their players) shed tears.

Excellent!

Can't wait for my Deathwatch to get superbuffed!

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

I dunno Spoletta, at least some of their stuff turned out to be useful. If the rest of the book is at the level of this article, that won't be the case for us.

I'm not sure what your meta is like but from what I can tell, it's the polar opposite of Karol's as it seems like you could take GK and crush everybody you run into from your rosy perspective on everything Nids

My meta is unfortunatelhy highly cuttroath. The national team plays in my store, and my nids are currently taking dust, while i have fun with thousand son thematic lists.

That said, i expected stratagems, relics and traits. I got additional powers and custom traits on top of that and a new mechanic. It's the best PA treatment of a non-marine faction thus far!

The full spoiler will tell how much of this stuff will see play.


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By the way, the adaptation influences a full unit.

Depending on the wording this could mean 3 fexes.

Good lord, that is a terrible preview article!

Count me flabberghasted.

tneva82 wrote:

Darsath wrote:
So wait, Adaptive Physiology is just an expansion of Warlord traits?

Pretty much yes. One that is given on generally softer target. Better be good ones in there...


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 Yarium wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
I don't think that any nid player was expecting marine treatment. We got more than what chaos got. Much more. Relics,traits, Stratagems, powers and custom traits.

I'm actually quite satisfied.

+1

And we don't know what Adaptive Physiology quite does yet! It's possible (though I'm not holding my breath) that this is something that is a turn-by-turn bonus if you play all nids. Imagine getting to upgrade a unit each and every turn? Now that could be interesting!

What it does? You give up warlord and trait one(1, ichi, yksi and whatever 1 is written in other languages) unit gets upgraded.

If nids are lucky there's stratagem to get more at the price of cp. If not it's 1 period

I think it'll be potentially useful depending what's on it. Maybe.... I dunno on a large unit of Tyranid infantry you want to dig in at a key objective.

Waits for the inveitable "You thought Codex Marines needed more stuff- well here you go - 10 pages of new rules cos otherwise we would have to fill them non Marine stuff and they ain't gonna fly.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Waits for the inveitable "You thought Codex Marines needed more stuff- well here you go - 10 pages of new rules cos otherwise we would have to fill them non Marine stuff and they ain't gonna fly.

Custom super doctrines!

Why don't we wait until the rules are out before jumping to conclusions? The chaos stuff in the last book had super mediocre previews but when the whole set started making the rounds on the internet it was pretty clear most of the rules were pretty great.

To be fair I kinda enjoy this situation as a xeno player: many WAAC SM players are encouraged to play more often than they did. That means that there are more chances to knock'em down a peg, provided you actually know how to use your army.
I know a few hobbyists that fit this description. They played little to no 40k games in the last couple of years and suddenly they've started to be interested into the game and bought a lot of new stuff. You wouldn't be able to guess how much they are spending on new models and rules, in order to copy internet lists.

Needless to say, experience > strong units. I admit it feels good to win against them.

For the people saying they're satisfied, did we read the same article?

The article itself was super vague and didn't explain much.

The specific instances they showed were all All ALL not very good.

Leviathan gets super synapse. :/
The strat was bad
Adaptive Physiology *appears* to come instead of your Warlord Trait
Customized Hive Fleets? I don't think they really explained that... But for a faction that has pretty much one competitive build (Kraken GS Bombs) who gives a gak about BYOHF.

I'm hopeful that some of the starts and relics are useful. But the ones they showed seemed very meh.

EVERYONE GETS SOMETHING.
SHAKES THE GAME UP AS MUCH OR MORE THAN THE HORUS HERESY.


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 Aenar wrote:
To be fair I kinda enjoy this situation as a xeno player: many WAAC SM players are encouraged to play more often than they did. That means that there are more chances to knock'em down a peg, provided you actually know how to use your army.
I know a few hobbyists that fit this description. They played little to no 40k games in the last couple of years and suddenly they've started to be interested into the game and bought a lot of new stuff. You wouldn't be able to guess how much they are spending on new models and rules, in order to copy internet lists.

Needless to say, experience > strong units. I admit it feels good to win against them.

Lol better attitude than most. If your group has a good attitude and isn't full of WAAC guys, there's less of a gap than people think.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Why don't we wait until the rules are out before jumping to conclusions? The chaos stuff in the last book had super mediocre previews but when the whole set started making the rounds on the internet it was pretty clear most of the rules were pretty great.

cool story.