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Darsath wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
To not have a new Tau model for an episode called "The Greater Good" would be quite disappointing.

Apparently 1d4Chan mentions the Death Guard as the likely opposition faction.

I'm really curious as to what they do with Tau. They're hardly weak as they stand, but they're very mono-build, and really lack viable options. I'm curious how they implement new rules without breaking the codex.

Well fluff wise it would make sense as Tau were defending a wormhole (created by Tau's attempt at warp travel) from massive Death Guard armada.


And I also kinda expect there being some new stuff for Tau at that title.

Sotahullu wrote:

Darsath wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
To not have a new Tau model for an episode called "The Greater Good" would be quite disappointing.

Apparently 1d4Chan mentions the Death Guard as the likely opposition faction.

I'm really curious as to what they do with Tau. They're hardly weak as they stand, but they're very mono-build, and really lack viable options. I'm curious how they implement new rules without breaking the codex.

Well fluff wise it would make sense as Tau were defending a wormhole (created by Tau's attempt at warp travel) from massive Death Guard armada.


And I also kinda expect there being some new stuff for Tau at that title.

Yeah, if it is DG as the secondary faction (if), I'd definitely bet on T'au getting the new model. DG got their entire range refreshed and (massively) expanded comparatively recently and aren't wanting for new toys right now.

That said, I love the current models for Shadowsun and Farsight. I think Darkstrider could benefit a lot more from an update.

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 Warpspy wrote:
I think we'll see what GW said, one character for each book...

Sooo... it will be a Deathwatch primaris and a Space Wolves primaris.

Just to be more precise, it's at least one character per book. Sometimes it's more.

Pheonix Rising got both Jain Zar and the massive letdown that was Drazhar.

Also, it's not necessarily a named character, as Faith & Fury had only the new chaos sorcerer and, arguably, the monopose canoness.

No.

Again, as they said and we've just had demonstrated, the next three PA books will come with _a character_model. Phoenix Rising happened before that announcement. It isn't an example of what can happen with the next three books.

They've told us precisely what to expect, and did exactly what they said they would.

There is no reason to set people up for disappointment by claiming 'one' equals 'one to twenty'

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Well, at least SOMEONE is getting a Primaries Marine with a tabard...

Yea it must be hard when your 'only' releases are a ton of new models that make any other factions' releases pale in comparison. I don't know how you cope.

Why don't you buy the new releases?

If the answer is "because I don't like them" then congratulations, you've finally understood.

They're not for my faction, that's why I don't buy them.

The latest releases for 40k have been for your faction so I find your complaint about this equal parts hilarious and tragic.

Isn't that just a rephrased version of "I don't like Space Marines, so I don't buy them"?

If anything is tragic here, it's your incessant gatekeeping about who is allowed to have an opinion on things. Shouldn't you be taking a page out of your own book and stop complaining until Necrons have gotten as many releases as Orks this edition?

I think you'd struggle to find a Space Marine player who's enthusiastic about Primaris Lieutenant relase #48 this edition. We don't want them any more than you guys do. You'd be indignant as all gak if I told you that you should be enthusiastic about more of the same, yet you assume that every Space Marine player unthinkingly, unflinchingly lines up to enthusiastically buy whatever GW releases. Why?

No. I don't particularly dislike SM. I have neither the budget or time to commit to them though. Not that I have to justify why I don't purchase a model to you.

The key difference between Space Marine players and everyone else is that you actually HAVE releases. All the time. Loads of them. And still you complain because this particular model release, despite having a tabard, is not the correct colour and does not have the correct pauldron to suit you. My heart bleeds. Really. It must be hard. Truly the marine player is saintly in their patience.

Meanwhile, though I play a specific 'chapter' of Orks, I'm told that I should be happy for the release of a unit completely unrelated (say - Thraka) to my particular 'chapter'. The double standards at play are unbelievable. Ironically, I'd love a new Thraka model because I'd convert the hell out of it to suit my chapter, which is maybe what you should do with this, if you want new marines in tabards so bad.

Am I telling you that though? No? I'm fairly certain I've consistently been on record saying I want other factions getting more cool things too.

If it's OK for you to want your particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things (which I would 100% support and get behind), why then is it not OK for me to want my particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things? What happened to double standards being bad?

Orks are a full Faction

Dark Angels are a sub faction of Marines which are a sub faction of the Imperium. So Sub-Sub-Faction - nearly a full submarine.....

You need to measure and compare the support of a Named Ork Warband for a specific Kulture to be be playing fair.

The new DA model is not bad, but this does seem to be the DA Supplement book we all assumed it would be, next Stop Wolfy Wolf Wolf Suppplement and Deathwatch Supplement.

Calling it a campaign book is pretty sad.

 Mr Morden wrote:

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Well, at least SOMEONE is getting a Primaries Marine with a tabard...

Yea it must be hard when your 'only' releases are a ton of new models that make any other factions' releases pale in comparison. I don't know how you cope.

Why don't you buy the new releases?

If the answer is "because I don't like them" then congratulations, you've finally understood.

They're not for my faction, that's why I don't buy them.

The latest releases for 40k have been for your faction so I find your complaint about this equal parts hilarious and tragic.

Isn't that just a rephrased version of "I don't like Space Marines, so I don't buy them"?

If anything is tragic here, it's your incessant gatekeeping about who is allowed to have an opinion on things. Shouldn't you be taking a page out of your own book and stop complaining until Necrons have gotten as many releases as Orks this edition?

I think you'd struggle to find a Space Marine player who's enthusiastic about Primaris Lieutenant relase #48 this edition. We don't want them any more than you guys do. You'd be indignant as all gak if I told you that you should be enthusiastic about more of the same, yet you assume that every Space Marine player unthinkingly, unflinchingly lines up to enthusiastically buy whatever GW releases. Why?

No. I don't particularly dislike SM. I have neither the budget or time to commit to them though. Not that I have to justify why I don't purchase a model to you.

The key difference between Space Marine players and everyone else is that you actually HAVE releases. All the time. Loads of them. And still you complain because this particular model release, despite having a tabard, is not the correct colour and does not have the correct pauldron to suit you. My heart bleeds. Really. It must be hard. Truly the marine player is saintly in their patience.

Meanwhile, though I play a specific 'chapter' of Orks, I'm told that I should be happy for the release of a unit completely unrelated (say - Thraka) to my particular 'chapter'. The double standards at play are unbelievable. Ironically, I'd love a new Thraka model because I'd convert the hell out of it to suit my chapter, which is maybe what you should do with this, if you want new marines in tabards so bad.

Am I telling you that though? No? I'm fairly certain I've consistently been on record saying I want other factions getting more cool things too.

If it's OK for you to want your particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things (which I would 100% support and get behind), why then is it not OK for me to want my particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things? What happened to double standards being bad?

Orks are a full Faction

Dark Angels are a sub faction of Marines which are a sub faction of the Imperium. So Sub-Sub-Faction - nearly a full submarine.....

You need to measure and compare the support of a Named Ork Warband for a specific Kulture to be be playing fair.

The new DA model is not bad, but this does seem to be the DA Supplement book we all assumed it would be, next Stop Wolfy Wolf Wolf Suppplement and Deathwatch Supplement.

Calling it a campaign book is pretty sad.

In terms of the game, Dark angels are just as much an army as Orks are, even if fluff-wise they are not.

Clan Kultures are on the same levels as successor chapter tactics.

DaPino wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Well, at least SOMEONE is getting a Primaries Marine with a tabard...

Yea it must be hard when your 'only' releases are a ton of new models that make any other factions' releases pale in comparison. I don't know how you cope.

Why don't you buy the new releases?

If the answer is "because I don't like them" then congratulations, you've finally understood.

They're not for my faction, that's why I don't buy them.

The latest releases for 40k have been for your faction so I find your complaint about this equal parts hilarious and tragic.

Isn't that just a rephrased version of "I don't like Space Marines, so I don't buy them"?

If anything is tragic here, it's your incessant gatekeeping about who is allowed to have an opinion on things. Shouldn't you be taking a page out of your own book and stop complaining until Necrons have gotten as many releases as Orks this edition?

I think you'd struggle to find a Space Marine player who's enthusiastic about Primaris Lieutenant relase #48 this edition. We don't want them any more than you guys do. You'd be indignant as all gak if I told you that you should be enthusiastic about more of the same, yet you assume that every Space Marine player unthinkingly, unflinchingly lines up to enthusiastically buy whatever GW releases. Why?

No. I don't particularly dislike SM. I have neither the budget or time to commit to them though. Not that I have to justify why I don't purchase a model to you.

The key difference between Space Marine players and everyone else is that you actually HAVE releases. All the time. Loads of them. And still you complain because this particular model release, despite having a tabard, is not the correct colour and does not have the correct pauldron to suit you. My heart bleeds. Really. It must be hard. Truly the marine player is saintly in their patience.

Meanwhile, though I play a specific 'chapter' of Orks, I'm told that I should be happy for the release of a unit completely unrelated (say - Thraka) to my particular 'chapter'. The double standards at play are unbelievable. Ironically, I'd love a new Thraka model because I'd convert the hell out of it to suit my chapter, which is maybe what you should do with this, if you want new marines in tabards so bad.

Am I telling you that though? No? I'm fairly certain I've consistently been on record saying I want other factions getting more cool things too.

If it's OK for you to want your particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things (which I would 100% support and get behind), why then is it not OK for me to want my particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things? What happened to double standards being bad?

Orks are a full Faction

Dark Angels are a sub faction of Marines which are a sub faction of the Imperium. So Sub-Sub-Faction - nearly a full submarine.....

You need to measure and compare the support of a Named Ork Warband for a specific Kulture to be be playing fair.

The new DA model is not bad, but this does seem to be the DA Supplement book we all assumed it would be, next Stop Wolfy Wolf Wolf Suppplement and Deathwatch Supplement.

Calling it a campaign book is pretty sad.

In terms of the game, Dark angels are just as much an army as Orks are, even if fluff-wise they are not.

Clan Kultures are on the same levels as successor chapter tactics.

They are a sub sub faction of the Imperium Faction - I have shown that above - what part of my statement was incorrect.

Ugh, I was expecting Primaris Ezekiel or even Azrael.

I hope this Lazarus guy has good rules and a fair price to change my mind.

 Mr Morden wrote:


They are a sub sub faction of the Imperium Faction - I have shown that above - what part of my statement was incorrect.

So what?

Then Orks are a sub sub faction of the Xenos range.

Either way, they have equal billing as shelf space, product codes and releases go as Orks, Tau or Dark Eldar.

It's the way GW works. In-universe fluff and numbers are irrelevant.

 Mr Morden wrote:

They are a sub sub faction of the Imperium Faction - I have shown that above - what part of my statement was incorrect.

The next PA is Tau focused. SW vs Orks are after that. Of course, the Tau book won't count for reasons...

I meant what I said. I'm fully behind Speed Freeks or Snakebitez or what have you getting their own cool things. When I said that I was cool with people wanted cool stuff for their sub-factions, that is what I meant: being cool with people wanting cool things for their sub-factions. At no point did I assume "Orks" were a subfaction. A Goffs player gets rather minimal benefit from the various Buggies, a Khorne player doesn't benefit much from the new Slaanesh releases, someone playing Saim-Hann doesn't get a lot from new Banshees and Jain Zar, and a Black Templars player doesn't get much out of seventyfive-billion different shooting units.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

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Well, at least SOMEONE is getting a Primaries Marine with a tabard...

Yea it must be hard when your 'only' releases are a ton of new models that make any other factions' releases pale in comparison. I don't know how you cope.

Why don't you buy the new releases?

If the answer is "because I don't like them" then congratulations, you've finally understood.

They're not for my faction, that's why I don't buy them.

The latest releases for 40k have been for your faction so I find your complaint about this equal parts hilarious and tragic.

Isn't that just a rephrased version of "I don't like Space Marines, so I don't buy them"?

If anything is tragic here, it's your incessant gatekeeping about who is allowed to have an opinion on things. Shouldn't you be taking a page out of your own book and stop complaining until Necrons have gotten as many releases as Orks this edition?

I think you'd struggle to find a Space Marine player who's enthusiastic about Primaris Lieutenant relase #48 this edition. We don't want them any more than you guys do. You'd be indignant as all gak if I told you that you should be enthusiastic about more of the same, yet you assume that every Space Marine player unthinkingly, unflinchingly lines up to enthusiastically buy whatever GW releases. Why?

No. I don't particularly dislike SM. I have neither the budget or time to commit to them though. Not that I have to justify why I don't purchase a model to you.

The key difference between Space Marine players and everyone else is that you actually HAVE releases. All the time. Loads of them. And still you complain because this particular model release, despite having a tabard, is not the correct colour and does not have the correct pauldron to suit you. My heart bleeds. Really. It must be hard. Truly the marine player is saintly in their patience.

Meanwhile, though I play a specific 'chapter' of Orks, I'm told that I should be happy for the release of a unit completely unrelated (say - Thraka) to my particular 'chapter'. The double standards at play are unbelievable. Ironically, I'd love a new Thraka model because I'd convert the hell out of it to suit my chapter, which is maybe what you should do with this, if you want new marines in tabards so bad.

Am I telling you that though? No? I'm fairly certain I've consistently been on record saying I want other factions getting more cool things too.

If it's OK for you to want your particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things (which I would 100% support and get behind), why then is it not OK for me to want my particular sub-faction to get dedicated, cool things? What happened to double standards being bad?

Orks are a full Faction

And the example was about how it is unfair to expect all Ork players to be enthusiastic because one particular Ork subfaction gets something that doesn't fit at all into other Ork factions. Like, it says so right there. "Orks" is not the sub-faction, the one to which the "completely unrelated unit", in this case Thraka, belongs to is.

I agree completely with this example, by the way.

Ehhhhh.. I totally 100% get where non-marine players are coming from in thinking it's silly to compare an SM chapter to a full race like Orks (with their own sub-factions, like Deathskulls, Goffs, Evil Suns, etc), and totally 100% get their frustration with SM players complaining they aren't getting enough support (as exemplified by my response to the "Eldar have gotten more new models in the last two months than Space Marines! HOW DARE!" nonsense above) ... but when you're saying Space Marines are just a sub-faction of Imperium, that's ridiculous. That's like saying Orks are just a sub-faction of Xenos. Yeah, it's not a 1:1 comparison, since Xenos can't synergise like the Imperium or Chaos do, but that's the trade-off for playing a more unique army. The hierarchy is clearly Super-Factions (Imperium, Chaos, Xenos), Factions (Space Marines, Chaos Marines, Orks), and Sub-Factions (Dark Angels, Emperor's Children, Deathskulls).

 Vector Strike wrote:
Ugh, I was expecting Primaris Ezekiel or even Azrael.

I hope this Lazarus guy has good rules and a fair price to change my mind.

he'll be $40, just like all the other Primaris characters recently.

 Mr Morden wrote:

They are a sub sub faction of the Imperium Faction - I have shown that above - what part of my statement was incorrect.

We're both fully aware your statement was about game design (tabletop representation) and not "fluff" (story representation).
Using fluff arguments as game design arguments is not constructive; acting like you weren't talking about game design at all when someone points that out is just disingenuous.

We do not need to measure and compare the support of Dark angels with the Bad moonz klan culture for a fair discussion because, in terms of game design, they are simply not on the same level and have not been for at least 3 editions.

Both Orks and Dark angels are a full faction when we're talking game design.

I wish they would differentiate the Ork Klans, for example, from each other to a greater degree than today. It allows for a larger span of playstyles in the game without having to invent new factions out of thin air.

DaPino wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

They are a sub sub faction of the Imperium Faction - I have shown that above - what part of my statement was incorrect.

We're both fully aware your statement was about game design (tabletop representation) and not "fluff" (story representation).
Using fluff arguments as game design arguments is not constructive; acting like you weren't talking about game design at all when someone points that out is just disingenuous.

We do not need to measure and compare the support of Dark angels with the Bad moonz klan culture for a fair discussion because, in terms of game design, they are simply not on the same level and have not been for at least 3 editions.

Both Orks and Dark angels are a full faction when we're talking game design.

Dark Angels share a HUGE amount of units with several other factions - Space Marines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Death Watch - in addition to having soup options with the wider imperium. Ork armies can only field ork units, and only Goffs can field Thraka.

It's... it's just NOT AT ALL COMPARABLE. Saying Dark Angels are the same as Orks relative to release schedule is as ridiculous as saying "Space Marines are a sub-faction of Imperium"!! You're ALL making ridiculous arguments!

I know I'm bored on my holiday break but WHY do I keep tabbing over here... OY!


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I wish they would differentiate the Ork Klans, for example, from each other to a greater degree than today. It allows for a larger span of playstyles in the game without having to invent new factions out of thin air.

Back on topic - I fully expect Saga of the Beast will introduce "create your own clan culture" rules similar to other PA books.

Sure, DA are a full faction but they're also lucky enough to share almost all their units with the overwhelmingly most regularly updated range in space marines.

I think the issue is more along the lines that if SM took a break for a full year from getting releases and that amount of releases instead went into the less lovingly updated factions then we'd be halfway there in regards to phasing out the old gak that's still crumbling around. Obviously SM has plenty of old gak of their own but they still have so many newer sculpts that it almost doesn't matter.

Necrons need plenty of love IMO, Tau should be expanded in regards to aux units, Ork HQs are a freakin disaster. Like you can't go into a store and buy a HQ without having to buy nobs or some KT starter set, everything else is online only. That's just an extremely dumb barrier of entry.

Edit: But in regards to Orks in Saga of the Beast, if they give grots some sort of mini-kultur and give warbikers a justification to exist now that deffkoptas are lowered in points then I'll be happy. Throw on a couple of relics and strats and I'm pleasantly surprised

nataliereed1984 wrote:
Ehhhhh.. I totally 100% get where non-marine players are coming from in thinking it's silly to compare an SM chapter to a full race like Orks (with their own sub-factions, like Deathskulls, Goffs, Evil Suns, etc), and totally 100% get their frustration with SM players complaining they aren't getting enough support (as exemplified by my response to the "Eldar have gotten more new models in the last two months than Space Marines! HOW DARE!" nonsense above) ... but when you're saying Space Marines are just a sub-faction of Imperium, that's ridiculous. That's like saying Orks are just a sub-faction of Xenos. Yeah, it's not a 1:1 comparison, since Xenos can't synergise like the Imperium or Chaos do, but that's the trade-off for playing a more unique army. The hierarchy is clearly Super-Factions (Imperium, Chaos, Xenos), Factions (Space Marines, Chaos Marines, Orks), and Sub-Factions (Dark Angels, Emperor's Children, Deathskulls).

Actually I was being generous in just using the Game terms so in reality it should be in fluff/lore terms

Racial Faction: Orks, Eldar, Tyranids, etc and MANKIND
Sub Faction: The Imperium is the largest sub faction of MANKIND - comparable to the entire Craftworlds or a Ork Kulture
Sub-Sub faction: Space Marines is a sub-faction of the Imperium
Sub-sub-sub-faction: Any specific Chapter such as.........Dark Angels.

As there has been incredable indulgence of Marines, especially the Angels and Wolves in the last few decades the support for a few thousand individuals has been massive compared to any of the untold billions of any given race.

The Grey Knights bonuses seem a bit vague.

The people who gripe about the likes of dark angels, space wolves and blood angels is super super super annoying. They should, and must remember that there was a time when certain factions did not exist in terms of their own army or even in the fluff (Necrons, Tau and Dark Eldar) when these had their own faction codex's, even if dark angels and blood angels was combined.

Now, I can see the annoyance in regards to marine releases in general, but back off on some of the OG factions in the game, it's really really really boring to read the same bullc**p over and over again from the same people.

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If we're going to go full-out absurd, then "Racial Faction" is just a subset of "order", which is a subset of "class", which is a subset of "phylum", which is a subset of "kingdom", which is a subset of "domain", which is all gathered under what we call "life".

Except, perhaps, for Daemons and Necrons, which would not be what we understand as "life". Necrons might, but it's a bit iffy.

 Mr Morden wrote:

nataliereed1984 wrote:
Ehhhhh.. I totally 100% get where non-marine players are coming from in thinking it's silly to compare an SM chapter to a full race like Orks (with their own sub-factions, like Deathskulls, Goffs, Evil Suns, etc), and totally 100% get their frustration with SM players complaining they aren't getting enough support (as exemplified by my response to the "Eldar have gotten more new models in the last two months than Space Marines! HOW DARE!" nonsense above) ... but when you're saying Space Marines are just a sub-faction of Imperium, that's ridiculous. That's like saying Orks are just a sub-faction of Xenos. Yeah, it's not a 1:1 comparison, since Xenos can't synergise like the Imperium or Chaos do, but that's the trade-off for playing a more unique army. The hierarchy is clearly Super-Factions (Imperium, Chaos, Xenos), Factions (Space Marines, Chaos Marines, Orks), and Sub-Factions (Dark Angels, Emperor's Children, Deathskulls).

Actually I was being generous in just using the Game terms so in reality it should be in fluff/lore terms

Racial Faction: Orks, Eldar, Tyranids, etc and MANKIND
Sub Faction: The Imperium is the largest sub faction of MANKIND - comparable to the entire Craftworlds or a Ork Kulture
Sub-Sub faction: Space Marines is a sub-faction of the Imperium
Sub-sub-sub-faction: Any specific Chapter such as.........Dark Angels.

As there has been incredable indulgence of Marines, especially the Angels and Wolves in the last few decades the support for a few thousand individuals has been massive compared to any of the untold billions of any given race.

Sure, but the release schedule isn't done in accordance with the lore, and even if it did, the lore itself (for very obvious reasons) gives much more attention to humans, so...

And besides, humans are - in the 42nd millennium - far more diverse than any other race, and outnumber every other race (at least in terms of "currently present, awake, and within the galactic disk and the gravitational influence of SMBH Sagittarius A*"). Soooo...

There's a silly amount of Orks in the Galaxy, almost certainly far more Orks than humans.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's a silly amount of Orks in the Galaxy, almost certainly far more Orks than humans.

How often are they working together in a unified fashion like humanity is?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's a silly amount of Orks in the Galaxy, almost certainly far more Orks than humans.

I mean, there's a WHOLE LOTTA ORKS, but there's a whole lotta humans and THEN a ton more! If orks outnumbered humans the Imperium would be kaput very, very soon, and there'd be a lot more WAAAGH glyphs on the galactic map.

But... the official lore doesn't give hard numbers so that DOES leave this somewhat open to interpretation. Nonetheless, humans are still a lot more diverse than orks, and the focus of the game is (naturally) skewed towards humans, so... putting "Orks" on the same level as "Imperium" when evaluating release schedules is still very silly.

And, again, I say this as someone who does not currently play Space Marines, DOES play a Xenos army, and DOES love Orkz a lot more than SM.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's a silly amount of Orks in the Galaxy, almost certainly far more Orks than humans.

How often are they working together in a unified fashion like humanity is?

Not since the time of the Beast, which might happen again really soon by the looks of it

As far as I know it's always been the case that "if all the Orks united they'd win".

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
For the record I've always maintained that all factions should have parity of model releases. Necrons absolutely should have as many releases as Orks and everyone else, no matter the faction.

Oh yeah, I remember you saying that about Sisters. Wait no it was the opposite and Orks would get more because they were more popular .
Perplexing!



Notice how almost each codex has a bunch of subfactions? Chapters, Regiments, Craftworlds, Kabals, Orders, Klan, Forge Worlds, Hive Fleet, Tomb World, etc? Notice how the books generally gives you are least some encouragement to create your own? It is my opinion that “Creating your own” should be treated as the default and not the exception but it's usually there nonetheless.
There are a few factions that don't have that. Custodes (I think), Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Death Guard, Thousand Sons.
For me it is usually a sign that those factions are too small and too restricted to deserve a full codex. Some because they should actually be one of the subfactions (angels and wolves with marines, DG and TS to either CSM or Chaos god dedicated books), others because they just work better as allies, that can be fielded as a force of their own, but more as an exception than as the default expectation (Custodes, Grey Knights, Deathwatch).
[edit]I forgot Ynnari. They don't get any subfactions either. But what to say about Ynnari? I'm not even sure how to spell Ynnari.[/edit]

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

This is the problem when a none native speaker attempts to discuss something in their non-native tongue.

Oh FFS… do you REALLY need to bring xenophobic digs into this? They CLEARLY speak English fluently (arguably more fluently than some native speakers here…) can you at least keep your rebuttals focused on their points rather than their nationality?!

And again, I am saying this as someone who UNDERSTANDS AND SHARES YOUR CORE FRUSTRATION.

I guess now I understand how people who agree with Slayer on his basic points feel.

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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The people who gripe about the likes of dark angels, space wolves and blood angels is super super super annoying. They should, and must remember that there was a time when certain factions did not exist in terms of their own army or even in the fluff (Necrons, Tau and Dark Eldar) when these had their own faction codex's, even if dark angels and blood angels was combined.

Now, I can see the annoyance in regards to marine releases in general, but back off on some of the OG factions in the game, it's really really really boring to read the same bullc**p over and over again from the same people.

Removed - Rule #1 please

They've not taken action probably because it is Christmas Day. I doubt you'll find many people outside the emergency services working today.